You Were Never Really Here & Gymnastics Academy

You Were Never Really Here

Reegs: Welcome to Bad Dads Film Review, the podcast where a group of dads try to escape the horrors of their domestic lives by watching and reviewing movies and then churning out a podcast about them, a task we're about as qualified for as a hamster is to perform brain surgery. This week, we'll be discussing the catchily titled Top 5 Most or Least Accurate Representations of Professions or Hobbies in Movies or TV.

We'll be talking about how Hollywood portrays doctors, lawyers, hackers, astronauts, serial killers, and the Welsh? Those are that's all hobbies, right? And how realistic or ridiculous they are. After that, we'll be moving on to this week's review, the 2017 Lynne Ramsey and Wacken Phoenix collaboration, You Were Never Really Here, a film about a traumatized veteran who rescues pre adolescent girls from sex trafficking pedophiles using a hammer.

A heartwarming tale of redemption, friendship, and DIY. Finishing us off this week is Netflix's Gymnastics Academy, A Second Chance. A show about a bunch of teenage girls who flip and twist their way to glory. And bad dad Peter said he couldn't be here with us tonight because he's binge watching all three series of the leotard clad kid show all by himself. All that's left to do is introduce the dads, who are actually here, and have nothing better to do with their lives than listen to me insult them, starting with prehistoric Dan. He's watched more movies than he has brain cells left. Next up is Eye Candy Chris, from Romania, of course, a country famous for vampires, corruption, and gymnasts, I

Cris: Yes, that is correct,

Reegs: you might know a little bit about that for

Cris: I know, I know, it is perfect, the first perfect ten in history. I think 70, Nadia Comaneci, yeah, in 72 or 77, something like that, one of

Sidey: didn't you have a rivalry with someone else?

Cris: you know what?

It could

Sidey: of the moves

that she performed, I'm really into my

70s gymnast are forbidden now. It's far too dangerous.

Reegs: a routine on Twitter, I think it

Cris: there was a Russian lady

Sidey: They do one where they pivot

round

Cris: death spin, I

Sidey: not, you're not allowed to

do that

Cris: allowed to

Reegs: This was the one on the bars, you know, with

Cris: bars, you know, with the On the parallel,

the

Sidey: was

Reegs: doing some crazy fucking flips and catches and all that shit. And finally of course there's sidey about to embark on his solo project, sharing his experiences of pruning the borders of obedient chicken poultry farming in his new podcast, submissive Cock Edging

Cris: But lost

Reegs: Amazing.

Sidey: I'm amazed you were able to do that with a straight

Cris: out

Reegs: Hello, yeah.

Cris: name

Reegs: We've lost Dan temporarily, we'll just plough on without him.

He's

Sidey: the man cave.

but he has been away.

and hasn't watched anything.

Cris: It was also their birthday weekend

Sidey: Yes, it was Dan and his good lady wife's birthday, so they went away together.

Cris: they went to Liverpool

Sidey: Yeah.

We did a Top five last week. Do you remember, it was about golf. Yeah. And I

was late putting the plea out. but we have had some submissions since then. So, should I run you through?

Cris: Yeah.

Sidey: yeah. Darren Leithley says that he thinks one of the early Guy Ritchie films has hapless low lifes hanging upside down while someone is taking pot shots at them.

That's true, because we mentioned it on the

pod ourselves.

Reegs: ourselves.

Sidey: Had just watched the insanely average film on Disney called Vacation Friends. Had a golf scene. In the mask, one of the bad guys hits a

golf

Reegs: golf club

Sidey: from the mouth of the main bad guy, and his mouth bleeds?

Question mark? I'd imagine it would, if you take a divot. And, final scene of the wrong guy underrated 90s comedy ends at a crazy golf course.

Reegs: golf and I get

Sidey: I find I get a bit competitive at it. But,

Cris: are you any good at it?

Oh, okay.

Sidey: of, well there is,

there are those idiots who play like

in

the Crazy Golf World Cup and all that where it's really

Cris: Okay. Well, that's all. But

Reegs: just quite like

Cris: which one is the difference? Because over here, I've, we got the two, there's like crazy golf and there's the one that's a bit more windy and

that's

Reegs: got a slightly different name, it's like

Adventure Golf, maybe? But

Cris: Okay. Is it?

Sidey: rocco's Crazy Golf and this is gonna get us started on our our radio advert

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obsessed with them the

other week.

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style. Style,

windows.

Anyway, this is a Rocco's one. We also have Happy Gilmore and

Late Shout was

It's from Beaver, who's been away. He apologises for his absence. And he talks about I Am Legend.

which

Chris would

Reegs: and I with me too. Whilst

Sidey: doing that whilst doing radio announcements, saying

where he can be

And, oh,

how

Reegs: get this?

How

Sidey: did I

not

get this? I love, Biba, love you forever for this one. Simpsons. It's the one with the video game

Reegs: Lee

Sidey: Lee

Carvalho's putting challenge.

Reegs: Yeah.

That's it. End

Sidey: end of story. Lee Carvalho is going in.

Reegs: have selected. PowerDrive.

Sidey: Power Drive, Yeah. amazing, that's in. But, did you watch anything this week Riggs, Other than homework?

Reegs: just plowing on with Severance. Stays just weird,

Sidey: Hang on, Is that the Adam thing? Yeah. Okay, yeah.

Reegs: thing? Andrew Scott, is it? Or Adam Scott? It's something Scott.

Sidey: yeah. It's the Disney Apple Plus series.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Corporate stuff. Yeah. Okay.

Cris: I

watched a documentary called Untold about doping.

Right. Jeff Nowitzki, who worked for the, for the IRS. And later for USADA, who was also named nicknamed the golden snitch, he was, he discovered the case of Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery. And there's this guy, Victor Conti, which is the same like Antonio Conte, his surname. And he was the one that.

Basically gave the clear, which is a steroid substance substance to all these athletes and Tim Montgomery, who was the world's fastest man and all these things. And Marion Jones was the world's fastest woman, 100 m sprinters and Barry Bonds in baseball

Sidey: And, I mean, his was ridiculous. His head is like, tripled in size. Yes!

It

Cris: it

was, to be fair, it's a, it's an hour and a bit over in 10 minutes or something over in 20 minutes.

It's actually quite interesting because I like sports. I don't know much about baseball. And initially I thought, why are these people taking steroids? Because, but then obviously if you move. A split second faster, then you're going to hit the ball, you're going to hit it faster, stronger, all that stuff.

And there's a lot of money in it, so

Sidey: so After

Cris: he retired.

Sidey: the argument was

Cris: argument was that the guy before him was, I think, Maguire or something like that. He was apparently So, it's the same in a way, the story is pretty much the same, like cycling.

Sidey: Isn't it like computer viruses where the, the, you know, the tracking is always behind

Yes.

So the, the,

I think everyone's on stuff.

Cris: that's,

that's the argument that this guy makes. He's like, well, when, when I went to Tim Montgomery and I told him, I was like, listen, the difference is if you look at the top eight, there's eight people running in a hundred meters sprint. And he's like, out of all these eight people, when you do it naturally, you finish fourth, fifth out of these eight people, six of them are on steroids.

If you want to the best and

win, this, he's like, I didn't tell him to do it. I just told him everyone else is on

Sidey: it.

Cris: So it's very similar to cycling. It's really interesting. The kind of guy, and it's, it's quite funny because the guy never actually says that he gave steroids to anyone. He says, I gave steroids to Riggs, who is the trainer for Marion Jones.

I gave steroids to that guy, and he's like, I don't know who he gave it to, and he's

Reegs: Okay, allegedly gave it

Cris: Yeah, I was, it's like, just, just say, I don't know, just, anyway, it was, it was good though. It was good. And, and I, I didn't know much about it, but I, I remember all these names and

Sidey: do have a pretty cynical

of viewpoint on

elite athletes now. I think probably quite a lot of them are doing something.

knowingly or unknowingly. I just do think that

Maybe

that's

Cris: Well, Tim Montgomery makes a very powerful quote and a very powerful statement that he said in order to beat the world record. I just want to be at the top of the mountain. That means you're the fastest man on the planet for that title. I'm willing to die, which I couldn't believe he actually said it, but he did.

And he was, I don't care what the consequences for taking this stuff that you give me. If you're going to take me there. I'll take it. It doesn't matter what

Reegs: But then it's Usain Bolt. Is he clean? I think it's

Cris: As far as we know,

Sidey: He hasn't failed a test.

Cris: never failed a test, so

Reegs: he's like

streets ahead of everybody else.

Cris: Was, because he's retired now.

Reegs: Okay. But still

Cris: But it's the same. It used to be the same with the cycling rigs when they redid all the tests that Lance Armstrong won six to the France in a row. And he never tested positive. But then when, when they redone the tests with the technology that was 10 years later, up until number 39 from 1 to 39, all of them were on steroids or on EPO or on some substance.

So then If everyone's doing it,

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: does that

Sidey: See I cycled at the weekend.

Reegs: Did you take any

Sidey: No,

but I always think about it, right?

So

I'm going up a hill, and I think, if I'd had an EPO blood transfusion, would it make any difference to me?

Cris: me? It probably me. Apparently, because apparently what the Have you seen the documentary about Lance Armstrong?

Sidey: Yes. We did it on the pod

Cris: When they said Not, not the I can't remember which one. Anyway, one of them was, I think it was Lance Armstrong saying or one of his teammates said that you would hear guys at three in the morning when in during the Tour de France that they would go on a half an hour cycle because they couldn't control their body because there was so much oxygen in their blood.

That they had three o'clock in the morning and they would go on the bike for another 250 kilometers or 200 kilometers at 10 in the

Sidey: to do that, Jesus.

Cris: But anyway, that's, I've seen that. Sorry,

Sidey: on drugs.

Cris: sorry. Yeah, . Sorry.

Sidey: Did you see the reaction of Ryan Gosling when his song Won? so my miss hadn't seen that. So I was showing her that

Reegs: It's sort of nonplussed, kind of.

Sidey: am I gonna have to sing this at the

Reegs: I going

Sidey: so. after

that we had a taste for Ryan Gosling. So we watched all good things, Where he is possibly a murderer. it's one of those stories where the wife, goes missing.

Reegs: What's that on?

Sidey: the the It's in the ether. You can just

find it.

I think it was actually on Prime.

And

So yeah, he's kind of a violent,

Not

guilty

of anything.

He's

never charged. But his wife goes missing and it's

you know, heavily implied

that he had probably killed her.

Reegs: Right.

Cris: the

Sidey: so it was alright.

His wife was Kirsten Dunstan and I don't like

Cris: I

Reegs: So you were supporting her being killed?

Sidey: I was okay with it But

she did get she got her boobs out. So I didn't know that she had ever done

Cris: didn't know that

Sidey: I still

don't

Cris: done that. I still don't like

Reegs: out in Spider Man, weren't they?

Sidey: rain. Yeah, I guess. She's dead now anyway. in the film,

Reegs: Kirsten Dunst.

Sidey: the film.

Cris: the film. Oh, right. Okay. I've watched it. Sorry, Riggs. I've watched the movie. I can't remember the name of it, but it's fairly shit. But it was with Julia Roberts and Josh Clooney and they go to Bali.

Sidey: The Peacemaker.

The bomb one?

Cris: No, it's to do with

Reegs: It's a

Sidey: Oh,

Cris: romantic. Yeah, it's, it's fairly recent.

And it's, it's,

Sidey: Oh, I was thinking Nicole Kidman, not yeah, Okay. I know the one you

Cris: I

can't remember. I can't remember the name to tell you, but I did watch it because Carol was not really well. And

Sidey: felt like Clooney hadn't made a movie for ages.

And then he made

Cris: does that. Yeah. And it's honestly, it's not And, I don't know, I was really disappointed because I knew it was going to be like a romantic film, whatever. But I was really disappointed because I've never been to Bali and everybody says it's really amazing and all that stuff.

And I thought, right, well these idiots are going there at least. I'm going to see some really nice scenery and they're going to do some really nice cool beaches, almost a temple.

It's mostly like, you can see that it's like fake rainforest, so they probably just

Sidey: yeah.

Cris: I wasn't impressed with it, so if anyone watched it and liked it Well done because it's not great.

Sidey: because

Cris: yeah, let's just on let crack on with five. Yeah. Top five

Sidey: I really don't know if Dan's going to get involved with this at all. but Let's just do this. What was the.

theme,

Reegs: Most or least accurate representations of professions or hobbies.

Sidey: Any particular

motivation

for this?

Reegs: All

three, all, yeah, Robocop I've got on my list. The most

Sidey: most accurate

representation of a robotic.

I

Reegs: think it's a very inaccurate representation of what it's like to be a police officer, but a very authentic representation of what it's like to be a

robocop. So, it fits both categories. Okay, that's

Sidey: that's good. Well, Is that your

opening gamut then I

Reegs: Yeah, go with that to start with, sure, why not?

Sidey: I kind of split mine between good representation and bad.

And

then I got bored of the good ones because bad ones just more fun.

And then I, I just split them by profession. Yeah. So, I think one of the bad ones I would say would be archaeology. and Specifically Indiana Jones. Because I think there's probably a lot more classroom and,

sort of, lecture work.

And then

the

Reegs: Lesson planning.

Sidey: Yes.

And the occasional field trip with a brush, where you very, very carefully brush An artifact or a bone or something like That's more paleontology, but, but, you

know, it's much more

Reegs: but, you know, it's much

Sidey: Less whips

and,

you know,

Nazis

and stuff like that.

I'm more Sort of,

studious

Yes. Yeah,

I feel like that's how it goes down. Yeah.

Reegs: I agree, I agree. Chris, you got

Cris: I've

got Carpenter. Yeah. A guy called Dean Prophet. We've reviewed Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: We reviewed the movie not further than last week. And it was a great movie. Excellent movie.

Reegs: Did

Keira listen to the

Cris: She did. Yeah. She's just giggling. She's like, this is, yeah, to be fair, she, she, even when I told her, I, I don't think I mean, I was impressed with your choice.

Like what? that's not, there's nothing to do with it. She's like, I don't see it like that. So she didn't really see it as a firelighting or whatever. She's just like, it's a 80s movie. That is funny.

Reegs: Yeah, it is that as well.

Cris: But anyway, so, so, so she, she thought it was quite funny. The whole the whole thing, but yeah, that was it was a semi accurate portrayal of a comforter because there is a stereotype and I have quite a few friends that are carpenters here and.

They kind of like to have a drink. Some of them have a few kids from different women. They, they wear tank tops.

Reegs: They like to show their nipples.

Cris: think they, I don't, I've never seen anyone showing their nipples in that way. So, I'll, I'll

I'll

Reegs: His work was,

Cris: was very professional

as

Reegs: his work was very professional as well. So what are we going for? Very authentic carpenter then.

Cris: Yeah. Well, he, he did a, he did a

I also have a friend who, I'm not gonna name, who has a Business here that he turned it like it's like a wedding things that you can wedding. I don't even know how to say entertainment that you can do at a wedding. And he built all these kind of things.

I'm not going to give too many details.

Yes, but he also shagged the lady boy in Thailand.

Sidey: and, there's

Cris: there is a picture and there's a picture of him and the so called and the named lady boy. Very intimate. So, so yeah, that's

Sidey: that happened,

Cris: So yeah, all that happened in real life and he, he, he didn't make a I don't know the shoe rack to turn inside out, but he done some things maybe regrettable

Sidey: In that case, it's a very, very accurate portrayal because

he is a carpenter, and he's made crazy golf stuff. which

is

Cris: that's what

I mean. what I mean. He's done crazy golf stuff.

Sidey: the plot. It's exactly

the plot of

Reegs: of

Cris: So then you

Sidey: more lady

boys, though.

Cris: yeah, there's no lady boys in Overboard, but yeah, that.

Reegs: Who's it? Me? How about some scientists? You ever seen the 2004 Shane Carruthers movie Primer?

Sidey: Yes.

Reegs: He wrote, directed, produced, edited, cinematographized and scored and co starred in it for 7, 000. It tells the at times almost completely incomprehensible story of the accidental creation of the ability to time travel to the past. But It has this like depiction of a major scientific breakthrough as a sort of almost accidental by product of researching into something else.

And the research is conducted by some really authentic looking nerds and geeks, and it's got really convincing, but completely obtuse scientific dialogue. So that one goes in as being authentic for me, as does the Martian.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: You see that? Ridley Scott, the book was really good and it presents this series of, it's about a astronaut, Watney, Mark Watney, who gets left on the planet Mars after a mission goes wrong, and what he does to survive over many months Yeah, grows potatoes and so the novel presents like a series of these challenges and he overcomes them and it's all within Certain amount of plausibility that you know, it has to be stretched But if you can imagine this stuff and he you know It was so well researched and it was all using technology that NASA are developing right now.

So that's a good one less

Sort of authentic. I've got anything with a Michael Bay did that had a scientist in it or Roland Emmerich?

Sidey: Just chucked on a lab coat. Yeah. Yeah

Reegs: Mostly they're either sort of imbeciles to be laughed at, or like, impossible action heroes like Dr. Alan Grant in Jurassic Park, or Dennis Quaid's character in The Day After Tomorrow.

Sidey: I like

Reegs: that's scientists for you.

Sidey: Accountancy, because I am one. That's what I do for a living.

whatever that means.

And there's various kind of tropes. I guess you

can have the sort of weedy, nerdy looking

guys, a couple of those. One who's actually quite a good accountant, or a very good accountant, is the guy in the

Untouchables, who's used

to

Reegs: Follow the money,

Sidey: Follow money, like using the ledgers to do that, but he's horribly, horribly murdered in the lift. And then similarly nerdy but not as good an accountant is Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters. Although I think he is very good, he's just

overly

concerned with tax write offs and

deductibles.

Reegs: Even though you do your own tax returns, which you shouldn't do, he says to Dana as he's trying to ask her out on a date.

Sidey: And

then a slightly different take

is Ben Affleck in The

Reegs: take

Sidey: not the kind of accountancy I do.

Reegs: Affleck in

Sidey: he's a gun for hire,

Reegs: Accountant. That's not the kind of accountancy I do. But

Sidey: They won't be bothered about

offing people, I think. But I did quite like that, and

it was nice to see an accountant not just being a fucking useless

Reegs: fucking useless

Sidey: So, yeah. sometimes good, frequently not

So, great.

Reegs: Nice.

Cris: good, frequently not

Sidey: Tim

Robinson

Shawshank. is a kind of Banker slash

Reegs: Oh, yeah. He

Sidey: his accountancy superpowers to launder money and, and set up his life outside of Shawshank.

Reegs: Yeah. And he helps the prison warden out as well. Doesn't he? Move some money. A one time gift of blah, blah,

Sidey: him up

as being a money launderer.

Reegs: Yeah,

Cris: Yeah. That actually segues really nice into my next it's a couple of I think, I'm pretty sure their trust office, I don't even know, trust people. They work in trust. I think. The, the movie call is called The Laundromat and it's Gary Oldman and Antonio Banderas.

I dunno if you've seen that. If you haven't. It's about the Panama Papers. Yeah. And it's it's really good and it's really funny. And Gary Ullman speaks with a, I think it's Hungarian accent or something like that. And it's, it's a funny enough Carol works in trust. And she said she actually, when she was at a bank here, she used to work with that company.

So that's a real case with a company from Panama and they portray a real, they actually tell you how to hide money through a trust. It's really, really good. I was going to nominate this for the pod. Actually, it's, it's, it's a really good movie.

Sidey: movie.

Reegs: would be into that. That's

what

Sidey: we do for a living, but yeah.

Cris: Yeah, well, I don't know how much money you loan, you launder or launder.

But that was, I can't remember their names in the movies, but it's, it's a duo of Gary Oldman and Antonio Banderas. And the movie's called The Laundromat, and it's about the Panama Papers. I think it's Koac, Fon Secco, something like that. The name the, the name of the company is, is really, it's a really good movie and it's a really accurate depiction of how they used to do it.

Obviously now this highly regulated and is, you would know more than that, but it's, I think it's really good shout from me.

Reegs: Well, graphic designers it doesn't really get portrayed very often in movies, but when it does extremely complicated tasks are just done with a click of a button. And you know, instead of fiddling around with shit, they just. You know, pop it in and done straight away. We watched one hour photo recently that had a graphic design of the guy.

And he did exactly that on a really bad yeah, chair in his thing. The police, we already talked about Robocop, but did you ever see end of watch? That was David Ayers one with Jake.

Michael Pena as two cops in LA and following them sort of both as professionals and on in their private lives, as they sort of get drawn into this activity with a gang the cartel and.

GI Hall I really like and he's great in it, but it's actually Michael Pena, who's the standout 'cause he's really Pena Pena,

Dan: Pen Penis.

Reegs: He's, he's the one because he, he's pretty funny in like Amp Man and stuff like that. And he's really good in this as a completely like more thoughtful character in a sort of, kind of half decent action movie.

Which also had a terrific ending. Some other good co ops were The Wire. Ed Burns and David Simons look at Baltimore and the effects of the drug.

Dan: Yeah, I've, I've still not seen that. I've watched like one episode and I know there's like seasons of it.

Reegs: Seasons.

Dan: I would, I would like to get into it cause it's been talked about here and I know you've raved about a few times.

Some

Reegs: about here, and you know, you can googled it, this sort

Sidey: it. This sort of topic

to see what would come up And I found a thread where people were talking about

Reegs: this. and I

Sidey: how that it,

Just specifically the dynamic of the police departments. It was so fucking like

bang on. This is like, You know, people

who'd been in that world.

So yes, it's like scary.

Reegs: And the heartbreakingly authentic fourth season in the kids school and the dockings one as well and probably less authentic Brooklyn Nine Nine although it does do the sort of power dynamics and the sort of racial and Sexual tensions that there are I guess police squad not so much And the naked gun, I guess also perhaps not as authentic as some other shows about policing

Sidey: as some other shows

Reegs: Yeah,

Yeah.

Sidey: it's, like, if you got a realistic depiction, it'd probably be fairly dull. For a movie, so we quite

often

Reegs: get

Sidey: no one wants to sit through that. So we, quite often, you will get the judge banging

the gavel

for a bit of dramatic effect, or the lawyer, everything just getting really bombastic. I'm thinking of A Few Good Men, where it's screaming and shouty. And

Legally

blondes, where you get,

Reegs: there's a lot

of screaming of objection.

Sidey: Yeah. those sorts of tropes. I

think, I can't,

I don't know if there's a really

like,

accurate

Cris: There is one, there's two I think, but

Reegs: cousin Vinny,

Cris: That one. Yes.

Reegs: a very accurate t

Cris: know what? It

Sidey: the bit in the wire

is,

Cris: the wire.

You say that, but my cousin Vinny, apparently, and I've, I, I rarely read about top fives and whatever I do, I just think not very hard as you can clearly tell, but apparently in law school in America, they're at a certain level, they show clips of cousin Vinny. For certain things that are basic as a basic training for that kind of lawyer to show what they, it can be shown in court and how you can turn around words and stuff like that.

I can't remember exactly the

Dan: it

Cris: apparently my cousin Vinny is actually a

Reegs: good representation.

Cris: And also the one that I had was George Clooney and Michael Clayton, which that was a really. Pardon? Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. And, and that's a good depiction of a lawyer that kind of, because normally they all have a stigma of they'll do anything for money, but he doesn't do anything for money.

He does the right thing, let's say. So it's kind of breaks down

Dan: of based on that. every kind of football sports

Reegs: not yet.

Dan: Yeah, because that is a terrible normal. I'm thinking when Saturday comes goal, all of those that they're just clearly they, they're actors that have never played football before. And it's.

You cringe. Yeah, you could. Well, they actually had some players, but even the footage of that, like even the footage of that, they couldn't make look good. And that was actual sort of professional football is World Cup winners and stuff. Yeah. And Yeah, even his overhead kick looked a bit dodgy, you know, you just thought you can do surely better than this, but they never seem to represent any kind of sports at a decent

Cris: football, they've done a,

Dan: American football is probably the strongest one.

Reegs: There's been some good boxing movies. My mind has gone completely blank.

Dan: the other, on the other side, then, yeah, you think,

bull, or something, would have some good fight scenes and choreography and but, yeah, the football one, certainly, Sean Bean, When Saturday Comes, and Goal, that's a hard watch. Yeah.

Cris: Yeah.

Oh, is it me again? I've got the depiction of professors and I've got the best one, which I thought it was the best. It's not the best one, but I like the movie and it's a movie with Johnny Depp and it's actually called the professor and he's a terminally ill. He finds out he's his wife is shagging

the school principal where he works and he finds out that he's terminally ill.

And then he just starts shagging everyone and anything and he starts smoking weed with the students and he, some students end up sucking him in his office, a guy student as well. And then they go out to have a beer and he teaches in the bar and then he goes and shags the waitress and Oh, it's brilliant.

It's, it is really

Reegs: a lot of sex.

Cris: Yeah, it's a lot of sex. And it's Johnny Depp and he's

Sidey: And so

That's an authentic

Cris: Yes. Really authentic. Obviously, yeah. As, as you can imagine, that is the best de description of a teacher that I could think of. Yeah. I'm sure there's others, but that is clearly really authentic. I couldn't think of,

Reegs: well in weird

science, that guy one of the bikers at the end when they've been humiliated, walks off and says, Oh, you know, I wouldn't want to get fired from my teaching job, doesn't he? So maybe that's a slightly less authentic teacher

or more.

Cris: maybe.

Reegs: I've got some doctors, Doctor Strange I'm going for quite not authentic there because even with his hands a bit fucked up, he still is able to walk after a really massive car accident.

Sidey: Also, He's got

the

Reegs: Magic powers. Yeah.

that is also a bit. Dr. Octopus for similar reasons, really.

Sidey: name was Octo. Octavius, I mean what else

Reegs: I know, what else was, exactly, a human centipede?

Sidey: depiction of cent feeds,

Reegs: Well, yeah,

Dan: humans. Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: I don't know how authentic that was, but most accurate, in fact, so accurate it became real, was Contagion. Steven Soderbergh's 2011 thriller about the spread of a novel and lethal airborne virus from China, which travels the globe and kills Gwyneth

So that one was so realistic, it, they made it actually happen.

So, that was good.

Sidey: good.

I've got one more good one and one more bad one.

Sex

and the City. Carrie Bradshaw lives in New York City. Exists by writing a bi weekly advice column in a magazine. I'm calling bullshit. It's just not authentic. there's no

Reegs: two weeks. Once

Cris: Every two

Sidey: Once every fortnight.

It's

just no, it's no way. And it's fucking nonsense. But good one is Chef. Because

I really heart that movie and they had chef Roy Choi on as the Supervisor, you know,

creative consultant

or whatever, and he said he would only sign on if they would do the the chef y stuff absolutely authentically to how it

happens in the

Reegs: I've gotta go with the bear actually as well, and particularly the penultimate episode of the second season when he goes into that the, anybody who's watched it, when he goes into that high-end restaurant cousin C and he goes and learns amazing.

Yeah.

Sidey: I was thinking of the cheese, the grilled cheese sandwich.

as they do, and then they show it in the credits,

Reegs: credits. And the Cubano is it that they make?

Sidey: so, that was very authentic.

Dan: Did you do barman?

Reegs: No.

Dan: Because they don't sit around listening to your problems all day, do they? Or just kind of wiping glasses and, and waiting. They, they tend

Reegs: to

EastEnders has got quite an authentic portrayal of bar people, I would say.

Dan: maybe, maybe more than, than some of the films.

But yeah, they, they often will just be ignoring you while you're sat at the bar. Not, not chatting to you and saying, How's your day been? And putting another drink down. Doing the long

Reegs: done your time behind the bar, Chris.

Cris: I have, yeah. any

Reegs: any movies that feel authentic to you?

Cris: to you? Not really. Everybody asks

Reegs: it. All

Sidey: Don't bother.

Cris: watched

Reegs: Coyote Ugly? I

Cris: I'm not. That would have been a good bar if,

Reegs: if

Cris: if it existed, but.

Sidey: exist in

Vegas.

Cris: good. Does

it?

Yeah.

Sidey: like a, Vegas version.

Cris: Okay. I don't know. I've, I've not been to Vegas and I didn't really look into it.

But to be fair, I didn't really there's,

there's rarely a Really focus on bartenders in movies, I would say probably cocktail, although I've only heard of it, I've never even watched the trailer because the guy makes cocktails and he's the star of the show. There's this, there's a little bit of a focus in the the actual movie about studio 54 where the.

The guy that does the bar, he kind of becomes a celebrity in New York and he shags this woman and then he shags Salma Hayek, which is a great scene and all that stuff. But generally in movies, there's more the, like Dan said, the bartenders are there as a, as a side.

As a

third person, when people are chatting, can I have another one, top this one up, they're washing the, polishing the glass and just kind of

Reegs: or they're there to dispense mo nuggets of wisdom at, at moments that are needed

in the

Cris: Yeah, it's not really a, especially not in the sense of

pub related

what

we have in the UK, where I think the closest one is, or a good one is when the guy pours a pint for Vinnie Jones in Snatch. And then he kind of pours just half. There's these guys with a gun and he just pours half a Guinness and then he hides.

And that's the only thing you can do really, but we don't have, even in the British movies, you don't really have

actions

in pubs and bartenders and that, so it's not really happening, I don't The only one I've got as a, my last one, and I'm gonna shut up, is a description of snipers. And it's because there's quite a few of them.

There's, I think it's, is it American

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: With Bradley Cooper, the story of Chris Kyle, who was a real guy and he, it's based on a real story and everything. There's another movie called Shooter. Yeah.

Reegs: with Mark

Cris: Wahlberg. And, and that's another one that that, it's a real description in, in terms of, in that one, especially because he describes how he shoots and he calculates the curvature of the earth.

Reegs: read the book of that one as well. It's got quite a good little twist, because right at the end He's getting done in court, isn't he? And all that stuff, and he's like, Oh, if you just examine that rifle, You'll find it hasn't got the firing pin in it, because So they, when they confiscated his rifle, He was already ahead of them, and he'd taken the firing pin out, And he couldn't have taken the shot That they accused him of,

and blah blah blah, it was great. a,

Cris: a, I think these two are, there's been loads of movies about. snipers and people shooting from distance and who could have taken that shot and all that.

Reegs: Enemy at the gates as well.

Sidey: through the eye and stuff like

that So

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: Yeah. So, so yeah. Oh yeah. Enemy at the gates was, was another one. So, but those ones I thought they were quite accurate.

Apparently even from actual military people's point of view, rather than just me thinking about it.

Dan: And,

and you've probably mentioned archeology and Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah, Indiana

Dan: More, more like the dig.

Then Indiana Jones and crash him through the jungles and stuff.

Sidey: Should we go over to the interwebs? Yeah. Darren Lethley. He's really on his top fives recently, isn't he? He's seen the beekeeper and he says the beekeeper is actually pretty accurate in the couple of minutes of intense beekeeping action.

before

the many more minutes of intense arse kicking action least accurate, almost anything featuring computer programming of some kind. Not just because it seems unfeasibly exciting, there's never any process documentation.

Reegs: No.

Sidey: Tedious meetings or tedious meetings about meetings.

Reegs: Everything's run on a terminal as well. There are no GUIs for anything. You just run everything directly on a black and green terminal.

Sidey: terminal. And Beaver wants to shout out for Bradley Cooper in Burnt. Who's another good representation of his chef. And his favourite is Jeremy Renner in the Hurt Locker. Absolutely class bomb disposal reenactment.

Reegs: Mmm. Yeah.

Cris: okay.

Reegs: Controversial though, because he's a bit of an edgelord in that film, isn't he? Jeremy Renner. I know they have the disassembling

Sidey: disassemble

Cris: it's pretty good.

Reegs: that are good.

But

Cris: so he, he probably knows a thing. He works with

Reegs: works with fireworks, so he'll be well.

Placed to tell us whether that is

Sidey: ID, a

Reegs: A good or bad representation of bomb disposal do let us know beaver

Sidey: He did tell us.

Reegs: about the hurt locker. Oh, and he says it

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: Yes, he said it, so that's why he's in the

Dan: That was

Reegs: okay, well then okay,

Sidey: the same thing. you know, Afghanistan. yeah,

Reegs: yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No,

Cris: yeah. Wedding fireworks, Iraq, yeah.

Right,

Sidey: we're gonna put in? or Have you got any more?

Reegs: Wow, yeah, just probably what i'll put in

Cris: putting in?

Um, let me see, let me see, let me see. Johnny Depp, the professor. Actually, no, I'm going to put the duo of Gary Oldman and Banderas in the laundromat.

Definitely.

Dan: I'll add in when Saturday comes. I don't think we've had that in before. Was Sean Bean in a

terrible

football movie?

Reegs: I'm going to go with before he started picking fights with transgender people online, Graham Linehan wrote the it crowd.

And I think it is probably still the most accurate representation of what it is like to work in it.

Dan: Silicon Valley? Like that as well? Oh, that's really good.

Sidey: really good. I've never mentioned the music industry, but the sort of finding stars and blah blah blah. But a very accurate bit of music

industry stuff

is, Christopher Walken as Bruce Dickinson.

He needs some

more cowbell.

Yeah,

Reegs: Yeah!

Sidey: So I'm going with that.

And then we'll summon something else from the, from the,

Reegs: nominations

online. Well, we've done Robocop. I've watched

Sidey: Well, we've done

Dan: I watch the Hunger Games and I imagine in a, you know, in a dystopian future where children are brought to be killed, that'd be quite accurate.

Reegs: Mm.

Dan: Maybe.

Sidey: just around the corner I think. Right, onwards and downwards.

Cris: Welcome to Bad Dads film review.

Reegs: We had the um, Reglez ez ez ez

Sidey: Oh, confectionary wise

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: it

Reegs: How, how would you pronounce that?

Sidey: raglizz

Reegs: Oh, alright,

okay.

Dan: I wonder if we can Yeah. I like that. The, the reg. It's like a, it's like a, a kiss. No, they don't look like I would want to eat them.

Cris: Yeah, Réglisse.

Reegs: Well, but what's this here as well though?

We've got

Cris: Sans sucre.

Reegs: Yeah, but we've also got Sucre Bridge here as well.

Dan: wonder how close we can get to, to confe with our names

Cris: They might do Belgian and then it's

Sidey: find a side bottom, I don't

think I'd

Dan: if you, if I

Reegs: do Belgian,

Dan: Yeah. You

Sidey: licorice as a sweet?

Dan: Red

Reegs: You, don't, do you? Because you're, you're second.

Dan: Red

licorice. I would, and I don't mind some licorice, but I'm not sure I'd like that.

Yeah, I, I do a blackjack.

Not

Sidey: even on like licorice. also, Especially those rancid ones that have like the hundreds.

of thousands on them.

Dan: No, I

was more I like the the red the red licorice

Sidey: No, You don't.

Reegs: Yeah,

I do.

Sidey: You've been wrong, all these years. We've also got the leftovers of

We've got

the Dumle, we've got the, the fudge, but that, that went in record time when we got here, but the chocolate orange disc things are still

Reegs: John

Dan: went quick, scum

Sidey: doesn't like chocolate, orange, so that was always going to be a survivor.

Dan: Yeah, there was a, a few things that I didn't really enjoy as much.

Sidey: nuts? I think, Or was it just cashew

nuts?

Cris: it just cashew

Sidey: Cash use so that's

Dan: We've got

Reegs: we got some strawberries in balsamic vinegar, and

Dan: Yeah, we've got some haddock flavoured chocolate,

Sidey: have any of

Reegs: Some tuna and Nutella, yeah.

Sidey: And that segues very nicely into this week's movie Which is called You Were Never Really

Reegs: Yeah, a little bit in the vein of I'm no longer here that we watched on the pod and other similarly titled

Sidey: was called A Beautiful Day in France and

Reegs: and Germany. Yeah, which she says to him right at the very end. So, yeah, at least it is a line of dialogue in

Sidey: that it was that beautiful day, but anyway, we'll get into it.

Dan: I didn't see this, so I'm interested to hear what it's all about. Who's in it?

Reegs: It's got wack in Phoenix in it. Looking unlike you've seen him look in many a movie, he's much more heavy set. He's got a great big beard that's sort of graying

and

Cris: he looks quite

Reegs: stacked as well. He's quite big and pretend

Sidey: to be mental?

He was going around talk shows and just being completely bizarre So it was that this sort of

period

I think he said he did that film Which turned like casey Affleck sort of mockumentary it turned out to be And then I think this was the next film so he still had that kind of quite disheveled appearance, but he's looking big

Reegs: Greasy, long

Sidey: him to his joker appearance fucking out. It's like

night and day

So, yeah.

Reegs: And it opens with him sort of attempting to suffocate himself with a plastic bag. One of many suicidal ideations that he's gonna do throughout the movie. Before it cuts to some sort of a bleak stuff that fills you in basically with cleaning a hammer. He's got a photograph of a young girl.

Dan: a real low fest.

This then to, yeah, I think

Sidey: hammer hasn't been used in this way since we watched Denzel do it in Equalizer, Yeah.

Reegs: And,

you know, he cleans himself up and as he leaves, I think there's a, he's sort of accosted by maybe a mugger in an alley. I don't know. The storytelling is sometimes quite elliptical or,

Sidey: a lot of flashbacks that you're not expecting them.

They kind of crop up.

Reegs: Yeah, out of sequence.

Sidey: like quite jarring. But yeah,

he does, he gets across, he just fucking headbutts the guy and walks off.

Reegs: and I think the guy is we concentrate on the aftermath. He's left puking in the street. So there's already this like veneer of realism about the violence as well. And so, I mean, pretty early on, you get a sense of who he is. As he goes back to his mother's, you'll see a flashing shot of his military service.

But yeah, there's also, flashbacks that show him in Afghanistan, that show him in the FBI in a SWAT team, I, I thought, but in the Wikipedia thing it says FBI,

Sidey: And that's where the name comes from, of going into places and not leaving a

Reegs: were never

really here, didn't, doesn't leave any evidence of himself behind.

Sidey: And He does

that in his style. He's in a motel, isn't he, When when he gets,

he, he's

putting stuff in a bag, in a bin Bagg, chucks

that away. You know?

He is

Cris: that away. Tell him the girl's on her way or is she something like that and then and then he goes home to Is it Cincinnati or, or he was in Cincinnati and he goes to wherever he's

Reegs: That's right.

Cris: And then he goes to his mother and he

Reegs: his mother. She's pretending to be dead whilst watching Psycho,

Cris: no, asleep. Asleep. I don't know.

Reegs: I don't know. I think she's pretending to be dead because she rips him about him afterwards. So it's like this immediately authentic

Dan: him, yeah.

Reegs: well, it's no, it's their relationship is sort of, you know,

Dan: dark humor,

Reegs: complicated. He has to look after her because and she sort of still sees him as a sort of grown up, like, stoner sort of son, even though really what he is is a really troubled veteran who rescues girls from sex trafficking organizations. And yeah, so you see him bathing her as well while he throws a knife at his foot.

And a whole load of other stuff that's really, actually quite an authentic and lovely portrayal of his son and his mother.

Dan: Right.

Reegs: Yeah. But also, yeah, more of those flashbacks. We see him giving a candy bar to a kid through a fence while on service in Afghanistan, and then later that kid being shot just route as he can see him through the fence.

We see

Cris: of that.

So some other kids shoots him to steal that chocolate bar.

Reegs: Yeah. We see a storage unit full of, of dead women that he encountered while he was in the SWAT days. And we see him in a cupboard or a. Is it like a closet with a bag over his head while his father savagely beats his mother in the kitchen?

So really

Mega mega

Dan: I'm just trying to think. So he's got all these skills that he's picked up in the army and everything. And he's obviously got all his trauma as well. But he's kind of using that then to take it out on these sex traffickers. Or is he just

Sidey: Pretty like, severe suicidal tendencies, so he's kind of like, well if I die, I die.

Dan: Well, I suppose if you're going up against these people, who are obviously badass. Apart

Sidey: Apart from, apart from caring for his mother, he really has nothing. Like He has nothing to lose.

Dan: Okay, yeah.

Reegs: But, and then

Cris: goes to see that guy

Reegs: He will get something. Yeah, he get his, his, he does go to see his handler Chelsea Handler.

Angel.

Cris: Yeah, Angel, yeah.

Sidey: He's been seen though, I said, I think the guy that's seen him

Cris: Is his, is Angel's Son,

Sidey: yeah, and he says Would They

know where you live now.

Reegs: Yeah. He's very pissed off that the son has seen him. 'cause he saw him while he was out and asked his father about him,

Sidey: Yeah.

He says, your family

will be at

risk.

Reegs: Yeah, because you know

Cris: And then he's like, I won't use you anymore he gives him some more money Because that's how he deals with the cases of missing women or missing girls, someone calls Angel and Angels calls him just so he doesn't go directly.

But then after he decides to not deal with Angel anymore, he goes directly to this guy in

Reegs: Well, not this guy the wires, John Doman, the guy who's the police captain that they find him in a gay club in one of the seasons. Great. So yeah, he goes to meet who really is the guy who's actually running the operations. And he tells him of a new job for him, which is to recover the daughter of a Senator.

She has been taken to one of these underage. Sex

Cris: Clubs, yeah, I don't know, houses.

Sidey: brothel for, you know, like an Epstein thing where

just rich people can bang underage kids.

Reegs: and he's going to pay him 50, 000 to return. So what we've got is really the setup of many B movie action things where we've got a troubled, troubled veteran with a mysterious past and

Dan: a heart of gold,

Reegs: heart of gold, but given a a

Dan: wish given,

Reegs: well, given a reason to live by a young girl in like Leon and the transporter and loads of other movies where that sort of thing happens.

But

Cris: those B movies? I thought they were

Reegs: Well, action movies, just more like what I mean is like a template for an action movie that you've seen a hundred thousand times, but really being done through a sort of arty lens and focusing much more on how traumatized and damaged he is than the beatings he's going to hand out.

Sidey: and so

he basically very quickly establishes where she will

Reegs: Mm.

Sidey: And the violence in this particular sequence is basically shown from CCTV footage. So He, he gets someone outside, pulls him into his car, and he just says, Just fucking be honest with me, how many, how many guards are in there?

And the guy sort of, doesn't want to say. is I just fucking tell me. it's like, there's two guards, where are they? Blah, blah, blah. So he's got the layout,

It's so

intimidating this guy does tell him. And so he goes into the place and you see the, then it cuts to just CCTV cameras, and he's got hammer, and it's the you don't hear it or really, but you just see whack, whack, and there'll be just a body down, goes through the next corridor fucking whack, whack, you know, these

guys down,

then he'll burst into a room.

Drags one of the fucking perverts out, fucking whack

Dan: you in the face, and then

Sidey: he finds

the

Reegs: hammer, take him, finds the girl.

and

Sidey: And then

later

on, so he finds the gal and she's sort of like, obviously horribly traumatized, but just quiet and still.

she's

not

Cris: she's counting, she's

Reegs: her out on her, on his shoulder

piggyback. Yeah. Yeah. More like

that, isn't it? And then he has to put her down and tell her to look away while he confronts another

Sidey: And fucking horribly kills him.

Dan: But you,

Sidey: seen enough.

Dan: yeah, but you don't, you don't really see the violence. So it's, it's all right for the kids. This one. Yes. Yeah.

Sidey: walks past and There's like a corpse of someone like he's horribly murdered.

with a fucking hammer.

You just see the aftermath or you see it happen, but from a CCTV. So it's not

Dan: not grainy footage. Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: Like Robocop violence. This is more.

Not subtle it's not subtle at all

but it's just

Cris: But it's not explicit, so, so you don't see it as like a horror movie where they show you, like, grotesque things, it's, it's quite Yeah, it's

Reegs: it happens very quickly. There's a complete lack of style about it, and like I say, it happens a lot of it.

Offscreen or not, you don't see it quite,

Sidey: She

is obviously like horribly traumatized and just

sort of almost catatonic in a way.

She's just sat sat

there just barely even blinks

Reegs: in a way, she's just sent there after she's been No, the guy knocks, there's

Cris: Oh no, the guy knocks, there's a knock on the door and there's the

Reegs: Oh yeah, that's

Cris: gets shot.

F

Reegs: In the throat, is it? Through the

Cris: in the back of the head. But when they shoot him, they shoot him in the, they shoot him in the

Reegs: Yeah.

That's right. Yeah, through the Through him

Cris: The guy's skull. They, if you h him, Phoenix gets shot in the face. Yeah. Like in his cheek. And then the, the guy, there's, and basically there's two police officers that come in and one of them takes the girl, the other one's like he's here.

We got the girl and he, one of them leaves and there's a police officer standing there with him and then he just goes, ah, listen man, I'm just a gun for hire. I know what you're doing. And then he attacks the police officer. Yeah. Beats him.

Sidey: He kind of shoves the coffee table or something.

into him, doesn't

Cris: Yeah, he

Sidey: takes the guy by

Reegs: got blood and brains like all over his face from that other guy.

Sidey: And they, they kind of, again, they kind of The camera pans away. and I think maybe you see it via a mirror. And he,

Cris: a few gunshots.

yeah, well, there's a mirror on the ceiling on above the bed. So you kind of see

through that. It's almost when he pushes the table, the camera kind of goes up and you see through an angle rather than directly everything that happens.

He strangles the guy and then he goes out through the fire exit.

and then

Reegs: well, then he's starting to catch up with the people around him that he does know.

First John Dorman from the wire is handler. He goes there, but he's dead. And then he

Cris: But that's a brutal scene though.

Reegs: Oh, it's horrible.

Cris: When, when he, because first he goes to his house.

He tries calling, tries calling, tries calling, doesn't find him, goes to his house. Wanders around with a knife. Feeds the cat and then goes to his office and in the office you can see that he had his palms on the, like his hands on the desk and you could see that it was torture because there was actually holes

Sidey: I think they probably knife through each

Cris: in his hands and whatever, really brutal and then he carries on and he, he sees the, that he, through the papers that he, that are in the office, in the guy's office, he sees the address of Angel

and then he realizes Angel knows where he lives.

Yeah. So then he, instead of going to see Angel, he just goes straight to his house.

Reegs: Yes. And Angel and his son have been knocked off as well. So those were the two from the beginning. And of course, we know the worst is to come when he goes to, to visit his mother.

And

this is a great, but a really great scene. There's two guys there that which he takes down pretty.

Cris: He

Reegs: he

Cris: goes from the tops. I kind of think he goes from the roof or something. He goes first in the bedroom where he's upstairs and he finds his mother with a pillow on top of her

Reegs: Oh yes, she's been shot

Sidey: been executed through the fucking

Reegs: the eye and it's like he takes the pillow away so he knows what's happened.

And then when he hears a

Cris: I'm noise something downstairs. Yeah.

Reegs: He, dispatches them both with just like brutal efficiency, this time with a handgun, two shots is all it takes, but then in a truly remarkable scene that I am to understand was improvised, he sits with the guy as he, well, he does some half hearted attempts to get some information out of him, and then he sits and holds his hand and sings a song with him as he dies,

just a great scene, an absolutely brilliant scene, I thought,

Sidey: The guy

Reegs: don't know what anybody else thought,

Sidey: guy says, that the girl

Reegs: That's

Cris: No, he says, what's going on? Where is she? And he goes, governor Williams.

Reegs: they

Sidey: that

Cris: but

that's his

Reegs: That's his favourite.

Sidey: favourite. So

Reegs: Who is it, it's

Sidey: political powers up. governors.

Reegs: Yeah, Governor Williams,

Sidey: this Sex ring.

but he's got to deal with mum first.

Reegs: Well, he, he takes her down to the lake and then fills his own pockets with stones. Like he fills her, she's wrapped up in a,

bin bag and weighted down with stones and then fills his own pockets with stones and goes to commit suicide along with her.

But then he has a vision of Nina, the girl and she inspires him to,

Sidey: to

Reegs: to come out and attack more people with a hammer.

Sidey: with a

Reegs: No, she gives him the reason to live and he puts all of the pieces together and tracks it down to pretty quickly to governor Williams is house And

Cris: And just walks through the back in the woods somewhere in the sticks and he walks to the back really nice house swimming pool all that stuff and then it's actually a really nice scene because I thought it was really cool because with this one is one of them that is it's almost like doesn't show you anything it just shows him walking and then There's a body just behind him as you can just see him walking past and there's him in the distance and then Someone on the floor and then he walks to another room and then someone else on the floor With a hole in their head or something.

It's really really cool and then

Reegs: But by the time he gets up to the room, the bedroom where Nina will be the governor is already dead, having had his throat slashed by Nina using a Shaver,

straight edge razor.

wasn't it?

Sidey: But we don't know this how at first we just see

Reegs: Oh no, that's

Sidey: is dead and it's a brutal fucking slap. Real, you know, he's obviously.

been

killed, and, but it's very

Reegs: it's graphic. There's a big open wound in his neck

Sidey: of blood And he

goes downstairs,

and she's just sat eating with her hands at the dinner table.

Reegs: she's covered in blood,

Sidey: the plate's covered in blood and you just look, and the fucking thing is there. And you're like, fuck, she's fucking killed

that

Dan: She's the one that did it, yeah.

Sidey: And she, again, is just totally calm.

Well, obviously

Dan: Shock. Yeah.

Sidey: and In massive shock, and, you

Cris: What's also, I found this, this part I found really strange because he goes there and he, he finds the body of the governor with his throat sliced, but then he has a complete meltdown and takes his shirt off.

Sidey: Well he

Reegs: he thinks she's dead.

Cris: Yeah, I know, but it's just, I kept waiting for her to come from under the bed because in throughout the movie, he, it shows him hiding either under the bed or in a closet while his, his dad was beating on his mom. So I just thought, right, she, someone killed the, killed the guy or she's dead or she's hiding.

She's coming out from the, and I thought he's going to take his, I could see that she's done it all

Sidey: could see, I couldn't. I didn't know what because the movie is so fucking,

Cris: over the place.

Reegs: Yeah,

well it is, because

Sidey: I

didn't know that she had done it, really, at all. And And I thought, he's just, like, she probably, maybe she's dead, and he's just fucking lost it, Because the one reason he's carrying on is fucking gone, so he's in bits.

But she's not, she's there, and he kind of has to deal with her in the state that she's in. and So the next, basically at this point is where my missus joins in watching it, right?

and

that

Reegs: and they

Sidey: they

go off, I think, so she thinks she's saw this bit. And then they go off, and they're in a diner, they could get cleaned up, and they go out.

And it's kind of

like, Well, fuck,

what do we do next, you know, and they're just sitting there.

In this weird fucking relationship

Reegs: it's like the ending to another number of, you know, it's so reminiscent of other movies that you've seen, just the man and the girl that you

Dan: Two kind of lost characters

Reegs: she goes off to the bathroom and he takes out a gun and just blows his head off in the restaurant as so.

And there's blood everywhere. Absolutely. Everywhere.

Sidey: it's just, so he's in the booth. Camera is like 90 degrees side on. And he just goes bang, like really quick. Just gets the gun, bang. Fucking that everywhere. Like all over the time And then you realize it's a. It's

Reegs: it's a,

hallucination

or a dream or whatever,

because

Sidey: the waitress comes on and just gives him

the,

Reegs: the bill.

Yeah.

Sidey: and you're like, oh, thank

fuck for

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: that's, that's what's going through his mind in any moment.

Reegs: Back

Sidey: from

the loo, and she just prods him. he's just like, slumped on the table, like like just, you

know.

fucking, I don't know,

Dan: or whatever,

Sidey: just exhausted or whatever, but he is not, he hasn't shot himself.

Reegs: we

Dan: she says

Reegs: a beautiful day.

Sidey: day.

Dan: day. Right. Cause they often talk about, you know, those decisions being just very fleet of moment, like it just passing and, you know, it's, it, it

Reegs: If that had been the ending of the film, it wouldn't have surprised me. Exactly.

Cris: Yeah, exactly. I was exactly the same. And then, but then you see the waitress with all her blood and everybody kind of acts normal. No one reacts, everybody acts normal. And then the waitress walks past and says, here's your check. And it's like, right. Okay. Something's wrong here.

Sidey: But that's it,

and it's just, it just like carries on with the diner, sort of,

Dan: okay.

Did you

Reegs: what we haven't got across is it's a great performance. Even if you didn't enjoy the movie, I'm sure you'd like the performance from Wacken Phoenix.

Who's like, just doing something completely different from what you've

Dan: you see. It sounds like a really heavy kind of part to play, and

Cris: and it's filmed quite dark.

There's loads of rain. There's not really much

Dan: Not many laughs.

Reegs: It's, the storytelling is purposefully oblique sometimes, but that's fine. It's part of the experience of it.

And but not so much that it's like distracting or you can't piece what's together. It's more that some of it is dreamlike like it is. But, you know, I really, really liked the center of it. The relationship between this man and this and his mother. Being a great relationship that you can really enjoy and then just like the sort of oh and the score's really good Johnny greenwood it starts off all like drivey with synths and stuff and then becomes like loud by the end

Sidey: Yeah, it's I wouldn't say

that I

loved the film in terms of what, you know, what I got out of it enjoyment wise.

It's very impressive in terms of the performance and the way that it's made. Hard to say that I loved

Reegs: it.

Dan: It's

a difficult subject matter to really sort of enjoy, isn't it? The

Sidey: The violence is very full on. The subject matter is obviously very dark and very difficult.

Reegs: I like the way that it's subject matter that you have seen before, though, in other movies. But it's portrayed in a completely different way. And in the news, yeah.

But portrayed in a way, you know, through it being a little bit more arty, I guess. In a way that makes you feel it a

Dan: of a character kind of represent

Reegs: his heroism and more about how fucked up he is. So, yeah, I really like this one. It was good.

Sidey: yeah, I've, I've, Yeah,

Cris: I

enjoyed

it.

I enjoyed it. I have to say

Sidey: i've enjoyed talking about it. I probably would maybe watch it again but I found it quite hard going

Reegs: It's only

89 minutes, so,

Cris: it was, that was the thing I was going to say. It's you, once it starts, you don't, you don't really have time to look on your phone or you just kind of watch it.

You, you want him to. Kill everyone. Yeah. Really.

Reegs: They're so awful the people

Cris: so, so so, that kind of, and, and he does. And then in the end, okay, his mom dies, but then he straight shoots everyone else, and then he kind of goes on this mission and, and then it, to be fair, the ending I thought in, in a way was probably more accurate with the film, that he would actually shoot himself.

Reegs: Maybe he did, maybe the other bit didn't happen, who knows.

Cris: but Yeah, it was, it was, I wouldn't rush to watch it again, but it was interesting to see and, and really, really different.

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: scene where he holds the guy's hand, I'll be thinking about that for ages because it was a great

Sidey: What are they saying? Yeah,

Yeah,

Yeah, strong

Dan: Okay,

Cris: Yeah.

Dan: Strong recommend.

I've never seen any of this. I, I haven't, I haven't seen. You'll have to tell me right from the

Sidey: No, You'll have

to watch

it.

Dan: Really? Is, is it okay? Let me

Sidey: had a feeling that when I was watching it that it was probably only going to be myself and Riggs

Dan: Right. Okay. Yeah. Well, and and what did you think about it?

I had a

Sidey: across it. I mentioned last week when I was filming. Flicking through, trying to find something for last week's, I thought I sort of flagged it in my head that that might be a good one to watch.

And then Riggs

Reegs: is

Dan: This is a thing you watch in your house.

Reegs: watch in your house? Yeah, you watch it late at

Sidey: I did.

Dan: Yeah, you watch it late at night on your own.

Yeah, okay.

And, and So

what, what, what's the premise?

Reegs: basic premise

is our hero or heroine. What are they allowed to be heroines anymore? Are they still heroes? It's a girl, Kyra. She's an American teen. She's traveled all the way to Australia to prove herself at the prestigious Cariga Gymnastics Academy in Australia, Australia, mate.

Sidey: Struth.

Dan: Is it an American accent in Australia? Yeah, she.

uses an Australian accent. Oh, wow. Right.

Sidey: Because there are

Reegs: there's some others. Yeah. And she's had a devastating ACL injury, Dan.

so Yeah,

Dan: that's, yeah, didn't, you know, that, that's, she's out the World Cup there, isn't

Sidey: Pete, it

would have been

Reegs: well, it's a young person's sport to be fair

Dan: fair, it is,

Sidey: Pete here because renowned gymnast that he is,

Dan: He's done his knee a few times, yeah.

Sidey: and one.

Repaired by like Harley Street, you know, like premier

Dan: like Premier. I know

Reegs: And the other one done by a vet.

Sidey: but I know by one of the butchers,

Reegs: like It's

Sidey: more different. Like It's so

Dan: different. Like, it's so bad. It's

Sidey: so fleet of foot.

Reegs: So

we're introduced to her making a little video talking about how she's a little bit homesick to her mum back home.

And then there's a training session where we're introduced to all of the main girls, Kyra, obviously, and then there's Kylie, Tess and Lily all competing,

Sidey: called Kylie.

yeah.

Reegs: Who would have thought? And competing and yet being teammates two. Then there's Rosie, who turns up. Ey up, Thick Yorkshire

accent.

She

bye yuck.

Sidey: rooming with is it the girl

who's having a hard time or the,

Reegs: Oh yeah, no, Kylie, I think it might be,

Dan: Getting notes of like Daphne from Frasier.

Sidey: Yes, it

is a bit like that, it's so incongruous

with the rest of the

Reegs: I thought she was a general we need a northerner to listen and tell us what they think.

Dan: Any Sheilas in there?

Sidey: so there's,

it's kind of.

You know, it's not the best writing in the world. It's a fucking kid's

Reegs: Oh, no, I, no, gonna, I'm gonna, yeah.

Dan: okay. You're you're talking emmys

Sidey: get all the, you get all these, so there's, you know, the hardworking one. There's the one who's homesick. There's the bitchy one and that's what this one is about so there's a new coach And she's brought with her some students from her

old gaff and she is favoring them.

Reegs: she is favouring

Dan: Cobra Kai Miyagi, though.

Sidey: it at the end she's She's giving after hours coaching to Kyra, to help strengthen her knee, and blah blah blah. and

Reegs: But she is herself an Olympic hopeful. I don't know whether you knew that.

Sidey: I didn't know

Reegs: yeah, Maddie.

So she's also got things on the

Sidey: She gets a pep talk from the boss of

Reegs: Coach Jamie.

Sidey: the head coach.

Reegs: Jamie.

Sidey: But the, the girl, what's the name of the girl who's getting, hope feels like she's getting hard, I done by

Reegs: me. Tess.

Sidey: Tess right at the start she, she voices the opinion that her scores of being unfairly harshly marked. Yeah. And they have an internal

Reegs: they do,

Dan: An independent adjudicator.

Sidey: Really docked points quite severely. I thought it

was harsh.

There's one way she, They, they show her foot and I didn't. to me it wasn't clear you needed VAR To see if she stepped out of

the arena. She

Reegs: I didn't know what the, if you've got a foot on the line, is that out

Dan: On the line is, is out, I think, in gym. Yeah, you need to be inside the lines.

Sidey: then.

Reegs: she was out.

Sidey: And so there's three disciplines that they do, and I think she gets like eight points, something in all of them. And it did feel like the bird was being a mega bitch because she only sort of actively tutted or or. shook her head at her, no one else. And everyone else is getting nine point something, and she's fucking outraged and in the end.

Reegs: in the end

Sidey: of

all, she

fucking tears into her. This girl, like, really, like, has, like, just,

fucking,

like, massive tantrum at the, at the bird doing the scoring. And I was thinking,

if it's kid at our daughter's school spoke to Woodward like that, like,

you're out.

like, you're being expelled.

and so, they kind of placate her by Saying yeah, you're right

Reegs: Well it's just a lot load of emotions and stuff at this point, isn't

Sidey: it? The head coach guy goes. Oh, it's probably my fault because I

just didn't learn

Reegs: blah. Perceived coaching, you know, bias and judging bias and that sort of thing.

So, I, I set her up to fail type thing. But also, Tess, you shouldn't be such a dick when you get feedback. You know, so it's all sort of fairly

Sidey: Yeah. and then the ladies does say to kyra said look, you know, we have it's true that we have been having these after hours, said For whatever reason, those are gonna have to stop.

You know, you're gonna have to have the same treatment as everyone else and so they kind of resolve it like that. And then the girl who's been fucking or been such a bitch, buys them all an ice cream. And then the one who, Kylie I think it is, who's who's been homesick, she fucks the whole

Reegs: time. She

Sidey: says she drops the bombshell.

This is only

Reegs: bombshell.

This is

Sidey: says to them, I'm

Reegs: I'm fucking with them. You're

Dan: She says

Sidey: are all cunts. I'm out.

Dan: Is she good? Was she a good? No. Right.

Sidey: the Right.

call wasn't for her,

Reegs: So, yeah.

Sidey: right, so

Reegs: So

good plot twists in this. I think quite decent writing. Better

Dan: Games of Thrones. They're just dying off early. It wasn't

Reegs: so much like Game of

Dan: No, okay.

Sidey: weren't as many dragons in this.

Reegs: It was more like, it's a, right, this was, if I had to compare it to anything, it's like that fucking shit that we watch like Free Reign or whatever.

But, this is a million times better because there's not so many boys in the cast, so they don't have loads of love interest

Sidey: You're out of

Reegs: There's one, there's just Bradley.

Sidey: It's,

Right. It's exactly the same with Free Reign, but just substitute horses

Reegs: No, because in Free Reign they're all talking, always talking about like boys

Sidey: fucking scene in here,

Reegs: This is about competing and teamwork and stuff. It's like, it is.

Sidey: No,

There's a bit

in

this when they're in between gymnastics sessions. They're walking through the corridor and

they're

Reegs: That's the one scene with Bradley. But

Sidey: you know there's gonna be a million more because I've got, I've snipped that cast and he's in the top eight so there's gonna be loads of it

And, They're going to the pictures, and he's, he obviously fancies

Kyra,

so he goes

up to

her he goes, Ooh everyone going to the pictures this weekend. And she's like, no dickhead, I've got gymnastics to do, I've got work on my knee and my core. And he goes, Oh, I just love your dedication. And I fucking puked. I was like, no one's ever spoken like

that, Like, nothing in it. Is how teenagers speak to each other, just

Dan: Well I was always like that, I was, no.

Reegs: So this was good.

So how, we didn't do it for you and ever really hear is how accurate it was. How accurate do we think this was

Sidey: Zero percent accuracy.

Reegs: 100

percent I'm going for. So split

Dan: somewhere in between there. I'll see if

Sidey: we should

watch episode three

Dan: Yeah,

I'll see if Nelly fancies this and I can then chip in with my two cents worth.

Reegs: Hmm.

Sidey: think Nellie would probably get a kick out

of it.

Dan: Okay, right.

Sidey: I'm worried that if I had watched

it with my daughter, she would have liked it.

Dan: Well, this is the other, this is the danger that we watch something that they actually like and then I'm roped into

Reegs: Nelly will be well into this.

Your eldest will be well into this.

Dan: right? I'll, I'll take

Sidey: Yeah. I mean, you know, no I'm

not going to watch this.

I

Reegs: know, it's too tempting. I just steered away from those jokes. Really

Sidey: It's, it, like, It's not completely terrible.

Dan: Wow.

Sidey: we're back on free reign. And to me they're just identical.

Reegs: No, this is better than Free Reign and The Investigators.

Those two were pretty horrible, and this was alright.

Dan: Right,

Okay. Strong recommend. Strong

Reegs: anyone

Cris: I've got two movies ready, but I don't know if Riggs has anything. I don't have a top five for them, but I will

Sidey: ones.

Reegs: this was me.

unfortunately my handiwork.

Dan: I

Cris: don't have a top five for them, but I will come up with something by tomorrow mid like lunchtime that

Sidey: what are the

movies?

Cris: The first one is a prayer before dawn, which is because I'm going to Thailand next week It's a real portrait of an actual thing that happened.

And it's this Scouse guy that goes to Thailand, gets into trouble, ends up in prison, and it's

Reegs: drugs

Cris: He's a boxer. And he Ends up, I'm not gonna tell you

Reegs: yeah, we're gonna watch

Cris: but it's, it's it's called the Prayer before Dawn. And you can get it on Amazon Prime for 3 49 and three pound 49. Yeah, great.

Reegs: Unless you're playing a Euro

Cris: a Euro Ling.

And also if you're paying Euros or, or yen, it's it's a different currency. I don't really know it. But the second one is Michael Shannon. Chris Evans and Ray Otta movie, which is also an Amazon Prime is called The Iceman.

Reegs: All right.

Cris: And I kept talking about this movie and it's based on a real person.

Richard. Richard Kuklinski.

Sidey: oh yeah, yeah, I remember you talking about it. Okay, cool.

what? Top

Reegs: theme here? This real, real stuff. Cause this was based on a true story based on a true story. We've already done

Sidey: five real things.

Reegs: real

Sidey: Yeah.

Okay. We'll figure it out, but that's good.

Yeah.

Dan: That's a great start, yeah.

Sidey: got a couple lined up as well, so I'll do next.

Cris: Okay.

Sidey: I've got a real old school. Oh you're gonna

Cris: they, I think they're both 2017, but, oh, no. The iceman is, I think, a bit older than that. Okay. But the, the prayer before Dawn is definitely

2017.

Sidey: a kids thing.

Hey, hang on. are you here?

Cris: Next week? Yes. Monday. I leave on Wednesday. Okay.

Sidey: Okay.

Cool. Right. Boom.

All, All that remains

is to say, Sadie's signing out.

Cris: Chris is done.

Reegs: me too.

Sidey: Boom.