Welcome back to Bad Dads Film Review! Today, we're diving into the high-octane world of The Shadow Strays, a 2024 Indonesian action crime thriller that has taken the streaming giant Netflix by storm. Directed by the acclaimed Timo Tjahjanto, this film not only showcases exhilarating action sequences but also delves into deep emotional territories with its compelling characters and plot.
The Shadow Strays introduces us to Codename 13, brilliantly portrayed by Aurora Ribero. She is a 17-year-old assassin, known as a Shadow, within an international organization. The film kicks off with a botched mission in Japan that leads to her suspension and forces her back to Jakarta for a psychological retraining. However, the narrative quickly unfolds into a complex web of crime, betrayal, and personal redemption as she meets a young boy, Monji, setting off a chain of events that pulls her back into the violent underbelly of Jakarta.
Suspended and haunted by her past, 13 finds herself in Jakarta, next door to Monji and his mother, who are entangled with a human trafficker. After a series of violent incidents, Monji’s mother dies, and Monji vows revenge, pulling 13 back into a life she tried to leave behind. As 13 navigates her way through a network of crime syndicates and corrupt officials, the plot twists through scenes of intense action and strategic warfare, leading to a climax that challenges her beliefs and forces her to confront her darkest fears.
The Shadow Strays explores themes of identity and moral ambiguity. 13’s journey is a tumultuous exploration of her past and a quest for redemption that questions the black-and-white morality often associated with her line of work. The film poses significant questions about family, loyalty, and the cost of freedom in a world riddled with corruption.
For those who appreciate nuanced action films and are fans of international cinema, The Shadow Strays is a must-watch. It successfully combines action, emotional depth, and a rich narrative to create a film that is both entertaining and thought-provoking.
So, tune in as we dissect The Shadow Strays, appreciating its craft and unraveling its complex layers. Whether you’re drawn to its thrilling action sequences or its deep dive into the psyche of its characters, there’s plenty to explore and discuss in this standout Indonesian thriller. 🎬👤👨👧👦🍿
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The Shadow Strays
Sidey: Everyone good? We're still not quite back on the full program routine yet, are we?
Dan: No. we
Reegs: missed a week and all sorts
Sidey: We're entitled to take a week off, I think, this five years into our journey. Yeah. So that's okay. Well,
Dan: Well, we try to fill in where we can.
Sidey: Yep. You did a good job
Dan: And we've got a couple of pods to drop at any point in the future. But today we're here and it's Friday.
Sidey: Yeah, I've been away in London.
But I was staying at a place that didn't even have a TV
Reegs: TV screen.
Sidey: No. So I haven't watched, I've watched nothing.
Reegs: you said that
Dan: Worse than that.
Reegs: had parental restrictions, locked across all
Sidey: couldn't get onto certain
Dan: Adult
Sidey: informational channels.
Dan: Informational. Educational.
Sidey: art.
Reegs: Yeah.
Dan: Biology.
Sidey: Couldn't even do that.
Dan: Wow. Yeah. So,
Reegs: Miserable week for you then, really. I am a lot of that.
All right, good, excellent, well at least you've achieved something.
Dan: So you've seen nothing. You've played a few games. I've seen this. You've seen this Most and what about you Riggs? Did you catch anything other than the
Reegs: recently?
I've been on like an absolute horror splurge. So I saw Scream, which was Scream 5, I
Dan: think.
Sidey: I think.
Reegs: Yeah, and then Scream 6 and they were both pretty good.
Sidey: Is that the Jenna Ortega one?
Reegs: Table? Yeah.
Sidey: that. I think there's one more or is there one in development I've not seen?
I can't remember if I'm completely up to date. They kind of merged into
Reegs: they're all post modern y.
Sidey: The last one I saw, a,
Reegs: General Ortega was in the last
Sidey: A scream thingy got killed right at the start. Yeah. Like the person who you think is the killer gets
Reegs: that was the last one, yeah. Yeah, that was pretty good. Yeah, just loads of horror, I couldn't list it all. First Omen, I watched In a Violent
Dan: do it to yourself?
Reegs: That
Sidey: you done Terrifier? All the Terrifiers?
Reegs: I haven't seen Terrifier 3, I've seen the first two.
Sidey: Terrifier 2 is really long, isn't it? It's like
Reegs: Yeah, it's like 2 hours 20, that sort of
Sidey: I am intrigued by the third one, I just keep reading stuff about it and
Reegs: could I
Sidey: could I, could I manage that?
Dan: behind the, behind the pillow
Sidey: It's just ludicrous, isn't it?
Dan: the sound's off, you know, that kind of thing. I've been watching lots of Ugly Betty.
Sidey: Really?
Dan: yeah, so. I've
of
Sidey: strong recommend?
Dan: Yeah. strong recommend. I've enjoyed watching it with Nelly. It's, it's focused in and around this young girl from the, from Queens and the Bronx.
She's not really ugly, but they try and make her look ugly
Sidey: she's got braces
Dan: frumby hair and braces and stuff. But She goes to like mode magazine, which is the fashion magazine and everybody's, you know, supermodel class and everything. They
Sidey: look down on her.
Dan: Like us and like we do to the general public, you'd look down on them.
They, so they do this to to Betty, who's a sweetheart and really good at her job. That's the theme. I've been watching it with Nelly and yeah, I've been enjoying it. It's nice when you just, you know, kind of settle in and oh let's do an ugly betty and we'd moved away from brooklyn nine nine after you completed all them so it's just a light kind of show but it's a little bit longer than brooklyn nine nine so you've got to be a bit more committed about 40 45 minutes i think the shows
Reegs: Yeah, but it hits that age group right, does
Dan: yes it's it's kind of nelly's 12 so in around that seems around a good age there is You know adult themes sometimes or or suggestions, but Yeah, it's it's okay for that age.
So,
This reeks, where did this come from
Reegs: what the shadow strays well, I have been a bit of a fan of this director, Timo or crikey
Dan: or crikey indonesian guy
Reegs: An Indonesian action director. He did, you know, I've talked about my love of anthologies in the VHS series on this pod before, and he did two segments on, on those in.
And he also, his debut was. A action movie with the raid choreographer, Mohammed, a fan. And they did a movie called headshot and then another one called the night comes for us, which on Netflix, absolutely strong recommend
Dan: Oh, really?
Reegs: violent like this one was you know, gore fest real tremendous movie.
So I was quite excited when I saw that he had this movie coming out Netflix, the shadow strays, we reviewed it this week and you all managed to see
Dan: Yeah, and it was the first time I'd watched a film by this director although some of the, the films you just mentioned there, the raid I think we, we watched for the pod or we certainly spoke about on the pod before.
And this is You know, it's, it's set in Jakarta, I think, isn't it? So, and it's
Reegs: Cambodia
Dan: Cambodia, right? And it's really Yeah, dark in the imagery and everything, isn't it? The lighting is is set,
Reegs: Yeah, it's always at night. It's perpetual night during all the scenes. There's a lot of neon and stuff in various various settings.
But there's also different urban settings as well. Graffiti, a lot of cool graffiti. yeah, you get to see a bit of Indonesia at night in a cool way.
Sidey: The first scene kind of sets the tone for how violent it's going to be.
Really fucking
Reegs: really violent. Yeah, we start in a kind of snowy kind of fortress in Japan, like guarded by a bunch of guys in identicate black suits. And there's a sort of boss there who's indulging himself and protecting
Sidey: Bit of a maniac, isn't he? lunatic,
yeah.
Dan: Well, he's surrounded by bodyguards, but he's waiting on a girl to come and pleasure him, I yeah.
Reegs: Yeah. Yeah. And as she does, there's these like four statues in the corner, which like, I don't know what they're called, but you know, the
Sidey: know the Japanese like samurai, samurai armor, isn't it?
Reegs: And then, you know, from out of them we, you know, unleash agent 13 and she's just like a
Sidey: whirlwind
Well, he, he approaches the geisha, doesn't he? And he's going to rape her. He tells her to take her clothes off. And as he's approaching her you can see what's approaching from behind. It's really cool looking. Not enemy, I guess, but it's sort of almost like night vision goggle and injury kind of like.
aesthetic is really
out of the shadows. Yeah. Well, it's the glint
Dan: well, it's the glint of the sword that alerts him to somebody being in the room and he turns around, doesn't he?
And then all of a sudden, and the first of many heads begin to roll.
Reegs: Yeah.
Sidey: off first. It's it's kind of just hanging by a flap as it hangs on the back of his head.
And then it comes off
Dan: look like a PEZ machine, doesn't it? For a minute.
Reegs: Yeah. And then it kicks off this sort of brutal 10 minute sequence of a lot of close quarter combat switching from, you know, machine guns and shotguns to bladed
Dan: We've suddenly gone John Wick, like in, in a little way, because there's just the volume of People fighting this one character.
Sidey: It's like a single room and there'll be 10 of these Yakuza guys or whatever they are, and they come in and they get dispatched.
And then another 10 appears like almost like regenerating like a computer game and they just get killed, get killed, get killed until it's left with the main, like his number one.
Dan: and the geisha
Reegs: Well, it's the geisha girl, because she shoots her.
It's collateral damage, effectively, and she, you know, she's shocked and suddenly kind of grows a conscience in this moment. But that allows her to get, she gets shot,
Dan: then she, that's right. He
Sidey: doesn't realize it at first as he takes the mask off. Is that the the second agent that comes in?
Cuz he says he he's really taken aback when he finds out that it's a woman. A woman. Yeah.
Reegs: And just as it looks like things are really bad, then somebody else comes in, another warrior dressed in similar ways. It's
Dan: need, isn't it? Like, they've just, she's just 13 as we later learn her name is is just done about 30 of them. And then the next one comes in finishes the job and gives her like some EpiPen into 13 that boosts her back into life. There's
Reegs: almost like a birth and rebirth type
Dan: Yeah, there's a couple of flashbacks of, of her in a, in a different room at a different time.
And then, you know, She's into life and, and being kind of scolded for not completing the mission. As it was, it should have been done or in quite the same style as this. Person who's just EpiPendo which we find out is her guru her master so on the way home, they've they've completed the mission, but she's saying no i'm not really happy with you and you're gonna have to wait for another job or just wait to hear from me
Reegs: And we also get a sequence where she, you know, we find out her name is 13 in this world and she says, Oh, you know, I'm not just a number and she goes to try and say her name and she can't. It's like painful. I think for her and she gives her these red pills. For her to take that will kind of instantly take away the sort of it is sort of obviously linked to her suppressing.
So it's interesting because red pill obviously in the matrix was like a symbol of awakening and in here it's like a symbol of suppression because it has been kind of co opted by the far right and you know, anti anti feminist groups as well. That's the term red pilling, hasn't it?
Dan: Yeah. And well also the fact that you've just seen her come back to life. So at that stage I wasn't really sure what was going on, although I did think, well, that's some kind of control that that've got on these assassins or these people that if.
You know that headache that she was getting is going to turn into something that will kill her if she doesn't take these pills So I wasn't quite sure what was going on, but she is eventually left.
Reegs: She's benched basically in Jakarta.
She sent off to an gritty apartment in Jakarta
Dan: not happy about it.
Reegs: she's not happy about it, but that's why she gives up her pills. She gives taking up her pills and it kicks off the sort of next stage of her journey, which is to notice her neighbors particularly like a young. Boy, like what is her? Mji. Mji, that's right.
And MJI is taking his mother home. She's been beaten up
and
Dan: taking his mother home.
She's been beaten up. Moment where he's saying, come on, mom, you've got to get up and you know, clearly her. And you can see that this is a really sweet boy. And mom seems like she's an absolute case like to have been in the position. She's an addict. She's,
Reegs: a sex worker, she's an addict, Yeah, she's,
Dan: he's helping her up. But then 13 is looking through the keyhole and she sees some men come, and obviously they want money, being paid, sex, or whatever it is,
Reegs: there's a great moment just after that and a
Dan: Well, there's a great
moment just after that. And the policeman, who's obviously corrupt, is just having a word with Monji and saying, Look, if you need anything, just ask me, but otherwise, you're on your own now. Go on. Away you go, lad. And she kind of stares the policeman down, who catches her eye, and he walks towards her a couple of places.
And the It's not that busy in the, in the hallway. But,
Reegs: No, she just steps behind someone she's got, she
Dan: completely ninjas and batman's out there. And he is like, what? What the, and you go, ah, these, these know what they're
Sidey: doing
Reegs: so she
Dan: into the shadows.
Reegs: into the shadows.
Exactly. She befriends Monji, buys him some meatballs and stuff. And she takes him eventually to his, he tries to act a bit tough at first. Oh, it doesn't bother me, but she takes him her mother's grave and all that stuff. Yeah.
Sidey: young. Yeah.
Reegs: So, next morning, anyway, she can't find Monji, but she does find in The apartment, a sort of low level gangster named Jackie, who's been sent there to turn the place over and make sure there's nothing incriminating from some characters that we'll meet in a bit
Dan: Yeah, from the, from the big bad bosses, really, and he finds the jackpot in the cysteine cysteine of the toilet,
Reegs: The Sistine Toilet, yeah.
Dan: toilet.
Sidey: toilet. It's
Dan: What
Reegs: Most incredible toilet full time. Yeah, and he starts taking the drugs or whatever and she finds him there, he's out of his mind and anyway, she doesn't take much to, sort of, generally slap him around before he's given
up
Dan: mean, it puts up a bit of a fight. And the fighting scenes are really, really well coordinated, aren't they?
Reegs: They're all very different as well, and they have some very cool action beats, there'll be a couple I'll call out in a couple of different
Dan: some, yeah, there's some, I mean, a little bit later on, there's an all number of kills
Reegs: It's too many to talk about but it's just one or two that are probably worth mentioning maybe but anyway Yeah, so he on the way to this club that they got to go to this is where he talks about Basically the sort of video game like bosses of this movie where you've got Haga who's the sort of pimp sex trafficker guy and There's this really slimy, corrupt police officer, Praz, that you were talking about.
And Ariel, who's the son of the governor.
Dan: To be. The senator to be, isn't it? He's running for the campaign,
Reegs: and, and he, he's gonna be the, he's gonna be the chosen one, he's gonna have power, and he's a great character, this guy. He's desperately
Dan: run
Reegs: father's approval. He's also Like dresses really nicely and all this stuff, but underneath his mansion He's got a kind of cave where he beats people to death wearing a gimp mask.
So,
Sidey: all got
of those.
Reegs: Yeah, so anyway, she goes off to the club and I mean it's not long before it's absolute carnage in there she does sneak around a bit to find out What's going on. But,
Dan: and, well, she gets Jackie to introduce her to the boss 'cause she wants to find Ji.
Yeah. And he's like, well, you fucking mad. She's, you don't know these people, they're just gonna going look, just take me to the boss. Yeah. And it, it's like, it's a bit, games are throwy, like people die quick or John Wick, you know, I mean, people that you think are gonna be in it a little while
Aren't necessarily . gonna be in it a lot.
No.
No
Reegs: one has plot armor in this movie.
No.
Dan: And he she goes in and kicks ass to one of the three main guys
Reegs: I thought this was the guy who had his head decapitated. I can't remember specifically how this guy goes. It's another great scene. It's one of those where like, sometimes you'll see it framed on a static camera, like it CCTV, and then it will zoom in with like a really kinetic camera following the action.
And then other times it will break away, showing it to really cool stuff. Anyway, big fight. But the police turn up. She asked. They have to go their separate ways. This is where Pras, you get like the sort of, reaction to the violence because you've had all this like beheadings and limbs and screaming and all this stuff and he comes in and he sees that this guy haggar who's a
Dan: a Like a brother to him
Reegs: and he cries like deeply cries and the camera like lingers on his anguish at the violence of
it
Dan: yeah, and they are they're like three brothers these they were all sharing the same woman in one scene weren't they just before one of them watching the other one swapping over from the other one and these are guys that obviously deeply corrupt and in In cahoots together and one of them's dead now, so they are seeking revenge big
Reegs: time.
Yeah. So,
Dan: Well, she's on the run with jackie, isn't she? Yeah jackie has Kind of, realize the amount of shit he's in now is as they driving away. He's he's trying to go. I'm dead I am so dead. What the fuck what the fuck because
Reegs: But he abandons her, doesn't he, at the side
Dan: So he says look you've got to get out the car and she says look don't go home wouldn't go home She'll be fine.
You get the sense and jackie. You're a bit more worried
Reegs: Yeah, and that's when we cut, this is where we discover all the sex dungeon shit. And actually that's when Ariel puts on Ariel. Ariel, I dunno.
He puts on the GI mask and I think he beats the shit outta Monge, doesn't he?
Sidey: he does,
Reegs: Yeah. It's horrible. Now we cut to Cambodia where Inspector Umbra the mentor from the beginning and she's on her own mission, fighting her way through the forest. Assisted by a giant
Dan: Oh tree, what's his name
Reegs: Troika really no real context for this guy, but he just, he's introduced.
He picks up a guy by the head and just crushes one of his eyeballs out with his bare hands. So, that's a character I like she's there hunting shadows that have defected one that's pregnant called vulva. well, she flinches and then Volvo runs off and off screen you hear Troika kind of there's a squelch and a scream so we don't know, you know, for the law of things, you haven't seen her die, who knows, but she doesn't come back in this
Dan: no.
Reegs: So her boss, like Inspector Umbra's boss, kind of noted her,
you know, reluctance to kind of, you know, Go for Volvo and then tells her, look, we've got a problem because 13 has gone off reservations, killed like hundreds of people in in Jakarta. We've got to go and stop her.
Dan: Yeah. And, and so they're pulled into this story as well then.
Reegs: Yeah. So back in Jakarta the 13 goes and gets a gun. She's got this like secret telephone box that she can. connect to and she starts her sort of psychotic mission, but it starts with Jackie and what we find is that Jackie is actually looking after his grandma. He's a nice guy. He's like He sings her nursery rhymes and cares for her and all this stuff as Praz and his team of
Dan: Well, he went home, didn't he? And they find
Reegs: They come in wearing these hideous plastic masks, really terrifying. And they're just about to kill him. You know, there's loads of them before when 13 launches her assault. This is one of those ones I wanted to mention. She beats the shit out of a guy with a wok in about five different ways, like using it as a shield, using it as a bladed weapon, like all kinds of different, throwing
Sidey: she gets the guy
On the, hob on the hob. Yeah
Dan: the hob and the flames coming out of it. She melts the plastic mask onto one guy's face and.
And then gives him a, a few and then Tips Hot oil on him as well, doesn't he? At one point as well.
Sidey: well. Is it this one where she does the eyes game of thrones
Reegs: It's at the end of this sequence, so she does eventually kind of get overwhelmed and the police are there and you're like, Oh, right.
She's gonna get taken down and then she just, kind of out of nowhere, Game of Thrones the guy, like, crushes his eyes through Praz, the
Sidey: his head into you first.
Yeah, so he's sort of gone and they're just then the the thumbs go into the eyes And he's like, oh and the camera it's not like game of thrones where you hear noise this one you see explicitly the whole thing
Dan: on doesn't he?
Reegs: Yeah, it's like a horror movie in that regard. Yeah. So now all that's left is the slimy governor and the son. And they use 13 as a sort of porn in their plan. I think there's some other low level gangster who owes them money
Dan: Yeah, there's a couple of million dollars that he needs for his campaign So, although timing isn't perfect. They see this as an opportunity to use her as like a paperweight And also I think he wants it to kill everyone take the money and the drugs or whatever.
He's he's got going on
Reegs: I figured they were gonna kill her afterwards
Dan: And kill her yeah, of course
Reegs: So they go to this kind of big underground, was it like an underground, I dunno what it was.
Dan: Yeah, it was like an underpass. They're just in a big hangar kind of thing, aren't they? And as they,
Reegs: dozens of guys from the other side, and she sent off Monge is there in the car with the, with the governor. And he looks like, it's grotesque, I mean this kid is only about 10 or whatever
Sidey: He looks barely alive
Reegs: horrendous, like
Dan: the makeup, it must have been, like, cause his eyes all swollen and,
Sidey: he's been beaten as close to death as you could get
Reegs: and thinking, that looks
Sidey: yeah
Reegs: like, you're not walking that off, but
Dan: give it a little bit
Sidey: about my leg really?
Reegs: Yeah, nearly as bad as your walking football injury
Dan: but you've got
The what's your man's name again? The nice guy and Jackie he at one point said look we gotta get him to a hospital. He's looking really bad here like, you know You've beaten him up
Sidey: doesn't take a doctor to figure that out though, does
Dan: doesn't, no, but it took Jackie.
The
Sidey: The
Dan: others aren't too interested because this deal's going on and it's going south every time, isn't it? Everybody knows it's gonna go, and as soon as she hears Jackie's dead,
Reegs: Yeah.
Dan: well, that was it. Was is dead. Yeah,
Mji. So he is dead. Yeah. Jackie had shouted M's. Dead, JI'S dead. And
Reegs: Well, it then just kicks off another action scene and this is one, they've got these like grenades that have got sort of
Sidey: sort of nails in
Reegs: it and there's all sorts going on, shotgun blasts to the head and people still kind of looking at
Sidey: They've got some in night vision goggles where she just machine guns their heads off. Yeah, it's amazing.
Reegs: is in, yeah, just from close range, all sorts
Dan: There's another badass woman
Reegs: as well. There is the sister I did go, got her name, I can't remember what it is,
Dan: She was like chief assassin for the for the family, the senator and, and the, the sun there. So she's
picked up guns and rocket launchers and all kinds of stuff's going off, isn't it?
Reegs: and then there's, you know, close up fighting as well and they do make her a decent 13 a decent physical match, but Indonesian men are generally fairly slight anyway, and she looks in terrific Nick and like very athletic because it's such a good performance from her and in so many ways anyway, but
Dan: Yeah, the choreography is brilliant because she, you can see that she's using the weight of people as they swing to keep their momentum going that way and it must have been a lot of work going
Reegs: and just some of the brutal like non stop relentless violence like that where she's putting people's legs into like glass and just sliding it along and
Sidey: just
Reegs: oh man just horrendous anyway so that sequence plays out with Ariel ends up getting he's like got coke all over his face and how does he end up dying is that with the the grenade at close quarters I forget anyway
Sidey: he get covered in nails doesn't
Reegs: Yeah, it could be
Dan: nails? Yeah, he takes a few people down first, he, he's I think he lasts longer than his dad, cause he's, he's shouting at
Reegs: the dad goes first. That's what kind of, yeah, escalates
Dan: Yeah and. It all kicks off and she's then
Reegs: I think she kills everyone. She kills literally like everybody because everybody's dead now. Like Jackie, no, Jackie and her are alive because they go off. They have a little conversation in the car where he, she talks about her name being 13.
He's like, is that really what you want to be known as sort of thing? And then they're T boned by inspector Umbra. Yeah, in their car. And then taken now, 'cause we're, this is quite a long movie, two hours, 25
Dan: Yeah, well it, it almost ended one part of the story there, didn't it? And then it just sort of blacked out and then
Reegs: because I mean, everybody's dead now. Really? Like in that story, like literally apart from her and Jackie, everybody was dead. So then yeah, Umbra picks him up and is kind of forced to. By the handler to kind of execute
13, but she doesn't. And then at the last minute, I think Jackie, he sort of, Interrupts just a lot long enough to I think he's killed by Troika, isn't he?
But he lasts long enough to get 13 away
So Jackie goes down killed by Troika. She then 13 and Troika have a fight So this six foot ten guy against her. It's a pretty cool fight. She finishes him off in absolutely brutal fashion and then another fight with her and Umbra at the end, inflicting the most horrendous, like really memorably chopping all the fingers off of like one hand
Sidey: good fun. Yeah
Reegs: sort of like trying to fight using weapons that have been already inside each other to do it
Dan: turn out and turn back onto
Reegs: disgusting.
And eventually Umbra kind of succumbs to her wounds. And in that moment, so 13 has been tormented of visions of the night that she was kind of, or she'll find out she was abducted into the shadow strays by 13. Inspector Umbra who killed her mother but heard her mother screaming her name. No me. So she knows finally has that sense of identity.
She can know her
Dan: And, and right at the beginning of the film, we'd heard of this other mysterious master where she said, Oh, Budai. Yeah. And she'd been gently scolded for not getting his name right. And he goes, no master Budai. And
Lo
and behold, the last person you see on the, on the,
Reegs: It's like a little epilogue, isn't
Dan: It's like, Setting up for number two. Here he comes along, gives her a hand up and she knows who it is, and it kind of ends,
Reegs: it turns out to be the chap from the raid. And it sets up another movie because the shadow strays come after her and Bora Sater and it's gonna be Bora and Know me.
Versus The Shadow Strays in The Shadow Strays 2. Which I will definitely be fucking watching, this was awesome. Absolutely
Dan: It was long.
Reegs: It was.
Dan: was long. It was probably too long for me. In, in the sense that there were loads of action. It was really, really good and I enjoyed it. But if I have any sort of qualm about it, it was probably about 20 minutes too long.
Sidey: It was long. I agree with that, but I dunno what you would take out to be fair, it's not like, it's not bloated. It's just a lot's, a lot of it.
Dan: and loads of
Sidey: I, I found
Reegs: I think if you love this sort of thing, like I do, I can just sit and watch and, you know, two hours, two hours, 20 minutes if I've got the time. It's just time well spent watching people be maimed like
Dan: But I was really, you know, I really like this cinematography, the darkness of it all. It worked really well because it was, although it was a dark
Sidey: It's a bleak, bleak film.
Dan: could see everything though. It wasn't sort of, you know, I know sometimes Blade Runner, you know, so. It was so dark some scenes, you would be like, Oh, I don't know,
Reegs: know.
Dan: and clear And
Sidey: sort of but it's fun and entertaining
Reegs: it was sometimes I think it says that it is cathartic and other times it because it lets you linger sometimes on the consequences of the violence to people. And it's that's a stylistic choice. And I liked all the finding her humanity stuff. I mean, it's it's sort of a formulaic story that you, you know, a little bit, but also there's plenty of imagination and different tropes and like other interesting issues in this that we've all talked about throughout.
And
Dan: And, and it, it were really interesting characters for me.
You know, Monji you had 13 herself, even Umbero and, um, bro
Yeah. And Troika. They were all interesting characters to, to get to know. And I keep forgetting his name. The, the boy,
Reegs: the director, oh, Monji, no, Jackie, Jackie, he was my, one of
Dan: Yeah. I really liked Jackie. I thought he was I thought he was going to make it, but he
Reegs: but nobody really does. This director is going to be helming a nobody too. The sequel to the bob odenkirk movie that
Sidey: Well, that bodes well. Yeah.
Dan: Yeah,
Reegs: So I look forward to that and his kind of I guess hollywood like real hollywood debut having a hollywood budget behind it because I think the budget for this movie was a little over a million Dollars what I can work out and when you see what they can
Sidey: this should be 200 million in hollywood
Dan: Yeah. I mean, this is, I know how much did John wick costs because this is basically doing that. All right. You know, you might see Different actors and things like that. But this was fast
Reegs: what you're saying is it's like production value level. It feels like it's
Dan: Absolutely.
Sidey: Yeah, it doesn't look cheap. It looks great.
Dan: I wouldn't say, I mean, that's to, to do that. I obviously filmed in these countries as well.
You'd have a lower cost of, of filming and everything, but it goes to show. That's incredible. Really, really good.
Reegs: Strong
Sidey: It's a strong recommend. Yeah.