The Platform

The Platform

Reegs: Welcome! Oh no, it's not that, is it? No,

Dan: no. It's, it's a far less enthusiastic welcome. Yeah. But no less warm.

Reegs: Yes.

Dan: because this is the wonderful. Midweek mention?

Reegs: Yeah, well this was, this was actually requested by a couple of listeners. Johnny Utah and apologies, I think maybe Ewan Campbell, somebody else requested this movie.

This Spanish single location horror movie with its quite unique premise, the platform.

Dan: The platform. Yeah. I was,

Reegs: Or in Spanish, El Hoyo.

Dan: Means the pit

Reegs: hole.

Dan: the hole. Well, yeah, my Spanish isn't what it was But nevertheless it does kind of paint a picture that doesn't it the hole the pit the platform And it had already played with my mind before even switching this on because I think I told you in their group chat This is the kind of movie that I do not want to watch alone So I put it on at one o'clock at night on like Friday On my own and thinking this is terrible.

I'm gonna be so so scared because these Psychological horror thrillers I Psyched myself up for that. I'm really not gonna like it, but I've actually analyzed this a little bit What is my fear of these things and it's the jump scares that really get me that I don't like and to be honest There weren't In this film, lots of jump scares at all really was there.

So,

Reegs: It's not that kind of horror.

Dan: if you're fearing the same, then it's not that kind of horror

Reegs: No, and it's at least as much science fiction as anything. If I had to describe it in terms of other movies to unspoil people and say that we should definitely watch it it's kind of like the movie Cube if it met Snowpiercer.

Maybe. Something like that. Something with a sort of single location horror movie, and a really unique premise. This one has a very unsubtle, anti capitalist message it's, you know, about how this vertical building that the platform is in serves as a metaphor for class disparity, and wealth distribution, and all this shit that we're going to talk about in a minute.

So, it's this Yeah, crazy Spanish movie directed by a guy called Galda Castellarudia. And this was his debut.

Dan: with him or something? How do you know his name so well?

Reegs: I listened to it on being pronounced a few

Dan: Wow,

Reegs: So I had a go,

Dan: had, had me at Galda.

Reegs: And I think the guy had done a few music videos and that sort of thing. I'm certainly not an expert on Spanish horror.

I think the only other, or Spanish movies I've really seen is Wreck and that was a horror. But yeah, this was his debut.

Dan: Okay. Well, it's, I suppose budget wise you, you're looking at a debut director who's trying to get all he can out of the limited

Reegs: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it could almost be a stage play, couldn't it? So let's get into let's get into it. So we start with some violins, I think, and then a scene of like a really elaborate meal being prepared by a bunch of very skilled chefs. And there's an elderly guy who's clearly in charge, like walking through the kitchen and telling everybody, you know, Whatever put a bit more of that in that and you know, make make sure the dishes are delicious and whatever and there's a voiceover Talking about how there are three types of people in the world the ones above the ones below and the ones who fall

Dan: Yeah, and you're right, as this chef is going through, or the head chef is going through, you can see the other chefs standing to attention, really concerned about what this guy would think, and if their work was good enough.

Reegs: and they're preparing the most exquisite food

Dan: preparing the I mean, you're talking the highest high end of, of food, and how it is prepared without, any mistakes without any kind of

Reegs: This massive, elaborate

Dan: huge. It's huge. It's medieval kind

Reegs: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And full of the very finest of food that humanity has to offer. And then, next, we get a guy waking up Goring, his name is.

And he awakes in this sort of muted, colour schemed prison cell.

Dan: Yeah. Gray. And What floor do they find themselves

Reegs: they find themselves on? Forty eight,

Dan: 48, that's right.

Reegs: They're in the pit and, and he, and he looks to see what that means and we, we get straight away this vision of what it is because he looks down and there are cells like his, there's a hole in the middle of the, of the floor of their cell and it extends upwards and downwards throughout, as far as you can see throughout the entire

Dan: you look up and it just the same floor just keep going up until you can't see anymore and then you look down and it's the same floor they're on for like miles down. You can't see the bottom. So, there's no staircase or no doors. There's

Reegs: You can see the people in the, in the floor above and below you, and you can

Dan: if they hang their head over or you do, you can see the people in behind but every now and again, a light comes on and a huge table comes down.

Descends. Descends.

Reegs: Floor by floor.

Dan: And they get so long we, we learn about this as the viewer when the table comes down. So

Reegs: comes down. It comes down almost immediately because he asks about how they're fed in the cells.

Dan: And the table is full of food, but on closer inspection, you realize that the food has all been eaten. And,

Reegs: Mostly what's left is

Dan: this is left, this is leftovers,

Reegs: have been spat out and,

Dan: but there's still a good, you know, there's still.

Meat on the bones, there's still there's still fruit on the cores. There's, there's still ice cream and, and cakes

Reegs: It's like going through somebody else's bin.

Dan: Exactly, there's still stuff there, or, or last night's leftovers, but Goran... Goring,

Reegs: Goring, yeah, Goring, yep.

Dan: He turns his nose up at this and he's like, it's all been eaten and he goes, yeah, well, but you know, it's it's still here and he, he doesn't want to eat anyway.

Reegs: Well, he, spies an apple, a perfectly preserved apple.

Dan: That's

Reegs: And he pockets it for

Dan: I'll have that later.

Reegs: descends. 'cause I think it only stays on each level for one minute.

Dan: Right? Is that all they got? One minute. I thought it was a little longer, but

Reegs: And so, yeah, each floor has two inmates. It stays for one minute, the platform descends.

And anyway, as it starts to go, Trimagasi, this sort of hideous guy that he's sharing a cell with, sort of spits the last bits of food out of his mouth, and, oh, it's

Dan: it's not a pleasant eater.

Reegs: And the platform Goring's stowed this apple for later, and as it goes... Suddenly it starts to get hot. Goring notice is really hot.

Hang on, what's going on? The heating? And he said, well, if you try to preserve anything for later, they either heat you up until you are burnt to a crisp or freeze you until you are frozen solid. So goring quickly dispenses with the apple down the hole

Dan: And the heat suddenly turns off just as quickly as it it came on. So, we start to learn now as does Goring about his predicament and what's happening in here. Yeah. Basically he's to do 30 days on this level before he will be drugged and gassed asleep, and he will wake up on another

Reegs: Well, he doesn't quite know that bit yet. But then the f the bit that we get is that we find out a little bit about Goring and why he's there.

We find out that he's a volunteer. And he agreed to remain in the pit. We see him in some sort of bureaucratic situation, filling out forms and whatnot. For six months in exchange for a diploma that he can get at the end of it all. So he's voluntarily there and he's allowed to bring it, and he, he wanted to give up smoking.

So he thought this would be a good, clearly he didn't know the nature of the experiment, I guess, or

Dan: really didn't. He bought a book.

Reegs: And you're allowed to bring one luxury item, he brings a copy of Don Quixote.

Dan: it's a bit of yeah, desert island discs or

Reegs: So, clearly none of this stuff is very subtle with the, with the food, you know, obviously, I don't know if we've made the point clearly enough, but 1, it's all pristine, the people on level 1 eat their fill, they eat until they're full, and then it descends to the next, and the next, and the next, and by the time you're at level 48, it's not that

Dan: So 96 other people, other couples in a cell

Reegs: yeah,

Dan: Doug into this food before it gets to them on level 48, but there's a lot of levels below them as well. And Yeah there He's still not eating going and after two or three days. He's still not eating because he's really appalled He's disgusted that anybody would choose to eat

Reegs: But Trimagasi, his cellmate, is fairly sanguine about it all. He's been lower. He, he's been on at least level 132, and you can imagine what it's like by then. There will be nothing left.

Dan: There's no food.

Reegs: And he tells his own story, Trimagasi, of how he ended up in the pit. He chose to come to the pit instead of going to a psychiatric hospital where he would have been imprisoned for throwing his television out of the window in a fit of rage over...

Dan: Oh, that's right, and it crushed somebody

Reegs: An immigrant, they specifically say an immigrant who is walking by because he says, why was the immigrant in the country? If he wasn't in the country, then I wouldn't have him with my telly. But yeah, he went in a rage because he watched a TV advert for a samurai max, a brilliant knife sharpener, the world's greatest knife sharpener.

So he went out and bought it. And as soon as he bought it, the next advert was for the samurai plus the And the self sharpening knife that doesn't require

Dan: yeah, that was it. It was the upgrade almost instantly on his knife. So,

Reegs: And that, and that we find out is his luxury item

Dan: a really big, sharp knife Which is probably gonna be a lot more useful than a book as we, as we learn.

Certainly but

Reegs: know, a strong metaphor though with Don Quixote being the book as well. And the guy even looks a little bit sort of, Don Quixote himself, you know. And he is a kind of, he's supposed to be this naïve idealist and I guess to this extent, Trimogasi Panza to

Dan: Well, this kind of manifests itself in the way that Goring tries to talk to the people above and below him in trying to organize them that they will Share the

Reegs: Well, he quickly realizes there's, there's plenty of food for everybody, as long as everybody only takes what they need. Yeah. And he wants to pass that message both up and down the chain.

Dan: And Tara Gassy he will he's already said, look, don't even try and talk to the people upstairs. They don't listen. Why not? Because they're upstairs. Yeah. Idiot. You know, he, he's got a. I dunno if he used the word idiot, or obviously, obviously

Reegs: says obviously, it's a great

Dan: as if they're an idiot each time.

And actually as the days pass, Goring starts to eat. And with

Reegs: well also he knows the horror 'cause, you know, trim Agassi's story.

He, he knows that everybody's in pairs. So the only reason that he's ended up with trim agasy is that Trim Agassi's, old cellmate expired and we already know he has a knife and we already know there's no food below level 50 or so. So it's pretty obvious what's going on and what the threat is too.

Dan: Yeah

and At this stage though. They're 48 means that they will see food every day for the next month and they're they're digging in and eating Towards the end of the month He Goring tries again to shout upstairs and downstairs about look, if we just save a portion or two portions, just take what we need.

We're going to have enough. And as he goes and tries to set this up by, When the table descends he's kind of put on a plate for those below and said look There's your portion make the same for the next people and they say Fuck off. Yeah, they're like you can get fucked. I was on level 70 last week. I'm up here now No chance i'm having this and he's trying to explain you but they're Really disgusting because they are just wasting the food.

There's no

Reegs: Yeah. And quite often they're

Dan: they're doing

Reegs: they're, they're like expelling, bodily, you know, trim Gassi will piss through the, the hole on the people below him and I'm sure the people above them have done the same.

Dan: so you've got all these nasty people that once they've once they've eaten and going through absolute hell and madness will Often defecate on the food.

Reegs: and some people can't handle it. Suicide is routinely a thing where bodies will come sort of raining from other cells above

Dan: Also the speed of the table as it comes back up would...

If anybody's head is leaning over, they've lost their head.

Reegs: Yeah. 'cause it's not, it's not suspended by wires or anything.

It's sort of hover, it's some sort of like

Dan: magnet kind of thing, and it shoots through like a speeding bullet on its way up. And yeah, any...

Reegs: clearly to stop you trying to get onto it, go on it and ride it to

Dan: Yeah, and Terry Magassi says, well I think that's the third different name I've used for him but tira, Tira Makasu

Reegs: T Massou,

Dan: Masu, he, he says, Ooh, better stand back. It doesn't make it too obvious Just as Goring is nearly kind of looking over at this point, And he just feels the wind of the table kind of take him back a little bit. It goes right to the top. I Later

Reegs: we'll see a decapitate a sort of torso

Dan: We

Reegs: chopped in half because

Dan: So cleanly, like you can see the bones and per it's just a perfect kind of cut. But we're almost getting to the end of the 30 days. I I think at this stage, he's already threatened downstairs if they don't do it, he's gonna shit all over their food. Yeah. No, no, he's a little bit late because

Reegs: Well, we've got, we've still got to be introduced to

Dan: We do.

Reegs: So one day towards the end of their stay Miharu, a woman descends on the table an Asian woman.

And she's trying to find her child who is. Held somewhere in this fucking nightmare.

Dan: Can't believe it, they say there's no children in

Reegs: Well, later a bureaucrat will deny that children are in there. But well, it'll become interesting to talk about in terms of the end of the movie as well. But yeah, she's looking for her child.

She kills her cellmate every month because she wants. She wants to, to increase the chances of her child being rotated in as her cellmate. That's right.

Dan: That's

Reegs: And then she descends on the table down through every level, looking to see what she can find to see if she can find her child.

Dan: And yeah, when they come down to this level, he's

Reegs: Well, she goes to the level below, doesn't she, I think? Or the level above.

Dan: She's come from the level above and she's sat down and They're talking like, you know, okay. You know, we'll try and help you. He forgets about eating actually goring. He he goes and chats to her and trying to get to get some some answers.

Tiramisu knows something about her that she's. Bad news and things. Anyway, she goes down the next level and the guys below think, ah, a nice pretty young girl. We'll have her. We've got all this food and we're going to have a play thing as well. They say something like that. But she's badass and you can't see, you can only see directly down the hole.

You'd have to kind of lean your head over and, and

Reegs: it gives you vertigo every time they do that

Dan: yeah, it's horrible. It's horrible. You think get away from the edge. So you, you can't see what's happening. You just hear sort of screams and cries and you think, Oh no, this is, this is horrible. But then she's the one that gets back to the table and sort of just as it's descending again to go down to the next level.

And you realize

Reegs: with those guys. She's

Dan: badass, even though there was two of them they didn't stand a

Reegs: and she's covered in blood anyway. And they have a kind of like moment, I think this is when they're sort of living it up a bit, isn't it?

Or

Dan: it?

Reegs: later on? No, that's

Dan: It's a little bit later

Reegs: style montage where they're like,

Dan: But they do, at this stage Goring and the girl have made some kind of connection. The fact that he's nice to her, that he believes her, and that he, you know, he would like to help. You could see that he's... It's just fucking madness to him.

He can't believe all this is going on. He's just volunteered He's probably already having massive regrets and if he wasn't then Soon after this he's put to sleep as is tiramisu and they wake up on another level

Reegs: 171.

Dan: And that is

Reegs: Well, and when Goring wakes up, he's tied to his bed. Tiramisu has got there first.

Dan: Yeah, He's woken up first and

Reegs: he's woken up up first, and he says, you know, for your safety, you're younger and bigger than me, I'm gonna, you know, tie you down, restrain you, and, you know, so nothing happens. Down here. But then pretty soon, as they're talking about food and he's just, Goring's described his favourite dish of the Scargos, hasn't he, and we see them being made up in the

Dan: That's right,

Reegs: And then Tiramisu starts referring to him as Little Snail, and it's pretty obvious what his plan is, and he spits, he, he says it, he he explicitly says it, that, you know, I'm gonna cut strips off you, after a few days, and I'm gonna feed me and you. off of you to keep us both alive and the crazy thing is in this world that doesn't seem like the most extreme that seems almost like a plan that could keep them going

Dan: Yeah, it is absolutely crazy. Of course, Goring's horrified because he's woken up. He's practically mummified to the bed because they've they've just wrapped him all in this kind of Bedsheet and rope and everything.

It's around his mouth as well. So he can't speak unless he's kind of released And he just really is helpless on this bed. And of course, Tiramisu has got his Luxury item this amazingly sharp knife that sharpens itself when it cuts so, he's geared up and he goes, look, there's not gonna be any food.

I've been down lowering hiding this and

Reegs: Well, when the platform comes, I mean, it's just plates,

Dan: It's placing glass and, and,

Reegs: Broken glass, broken plates, you know,

Dan: no, not a scrap of food on there. And so it's. He says, you know, after, I don't know, a week or so, I'm probably going to have to start, you know, a week, 10 days. Well, it's about a week because he says, look, I'm getting really, if you want me to do a good job of this now, I better do it now.

Yeah, he's a real slime, but,

Reegs: you sort of hate him and yet come to understand him and

Dan: He's got, yeah, he's got this kind of horrible half smile and

Reegs: Hannibal Lecter type

Dan: Yeah and And so the day comes when he'd been there a week or so and he comes over, the tables come and gone again. There's no food on it, of course. You just see him wobbling over and he says, I'm going to do it because yeah, if I don't do it now, I might be too weak.

I might, you know, I'm already kind of, you know, getting weaker and weaker. I can make a real bad job of it. So you think it's still not going to kind of happen like this, but it does. He, he, he rips

Reegs: leg, he slices off a bit of his leg.

Dan: What's he call it? He's like the they start using like real kind of, you know, like the

Reegs: the jowls and the Yeah, he's talking about the, he's defining him as meat.

Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: the buttocks and everything like that. So I think he started in the thigh kind of area or the inside of it and he he rips open the his his clothes and and the and the rope that's keeping him in the side pulls that aside and then takes this Like rather deep. And it really like it wasn't just skimming a little bit to taste.

He was going in for a chunk and starts taking it out. As this is happening.

Reegs: Miharu

Dan: is coming down on

Reegs: For her monthly visit down the the levels. She's made it down to level 171.

Dan: and she's dropping down on the table which I said must have been and gone that day it hadn't been and gone he just knew that it wasn't gonna be anything on it so he hadn't even waited for the table to, to come

Reegs: come down.

Dan: the

Reegs: We could even call it a platform.

Dan: table we should do let's go for that for now And then she's down on the platform.

Reegs: Yeah. Well, she doesn't take too long to go to Goring's Aid,

Dan: No, yeah, she's just watching as it is coming down, dropping down. And you get that kind of over the, over the shoulder of her shoulder, looking down onto them shot.

And you think, oh, she's going to save the day. I thought she might have done it before, because you get a glimpse of her before the first cut. And you think, oh,

Reegs: No, Goring has to suffer.

So, but yeah, she, she pretty quickly slits Tiramisu's throat. And now, disgustingly, because Tiramisu is dead, both she and Goring, so both Miharu and Goring feed on Tiramisu.

Dan: And, and Not in a shy way,

Reegs: Not in a shy way, no, they tuck in zombie style and then I guess he's there for a while because they're eating maggots and shit off him later.

Dan: Yeah. I don't understand why they wouldn't push that down a little bit. Maybe they just lost, they've lost all sense of reason and, and anything else.

Yeah. I

Reegs: I mean, we missed the whole bit about where he's reading, Tiramisu's reading Don Quixote to him while he's strapped there and trying to recreate the good

Dan: Tiramisu's

Reegs: and all that stuff is really funny.

Dan: reading Don Quixote to him while he's strapped there and trying to recreate the good times. I think it's further up.

Reegs: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, he, he,

Dan: this level? I'm

Reegs: well, he, he ends up having sex, I think, with he has all these hallucinations, like you were saying, of tiramisu, and him saying, you know, we're part of each other, because I ate you,

Dan: and...

That's right, yeah

Reegs: then he has sex with Miharu, it's strongly... Suggested and then yeah, he's knocked out and he awakens in a new level, level 33 with his new cellmate, which is Imiguri and she has her dog with her and she was the bureaucrat who interviewed him,

Dan: That's right. Yeah. Which is bizarre 'cause she, they, we find out is another volunteer.

Who, who's gone in there? And she was actually in the system, which goes to prove how much I think she was in the dark, exactly what was going on

Reegs: much, I think, she was

Dan: Yeah, I think she's, as I say, all this

Reegs: dark of exactly what was going on.

I mean, she's fed some stuff. A spontaneous sense of solidarity within this vertical prison so that if everybody could, if everybody could from, from top to bottom collaborate, then everybody could be fed and it would be fine and they want to create that. That's what the experiment is. But Goring is more cynical.

He has a much more sinister interpretation. He's like, if that solidarity emerged. They'd know how to sort of crush it outside. And that's, so that's what the experiment is about. So, yeah. Yeah, that's what he suggests. It's like a model of how they can control the class outside the platform.

Dan: Yeah

Reegs: so, anyway, they, because they're on level 33, they have quite a good

Dan: good food. Yeah. Probably the best we've seen in the show so far, because there's still some relatively untouched

Reegs: Yeah. Yeah. And they plead with the people again, above and below them, not to, you know, not to, to do.

Dan: and And this is this is the point actually where she is pleading with them and for like three weeks She's saying look, please just to and they're giving her abuse going.

No. No, we're not fucking doing anything We're gonna and they're being disgusting downstairs wasting the food for those that are below

Reegs: But she's not a hypocrite. She's, she eats but on, she only eats every other day so that her dog can eat. So, she does live as she

Dan: this is leveled by By Goring, isn't it? He says, you got a dog. That's taking somebody's. No, no, I, I share mine.

Reegs: share mine. Yeah, so she fasts for a day. Anyway. Eventually she comes to believe that Goring's gonna be the guy who's gonna bring everyone together.

Dan: Yeah, there's talk of a messiah or a talk of, of somebody that can, yeah, unite everybody.

And this little dog you always felt was gonna be part of a, another story because I always thought it's gonna go down on that table at some stage, isn't it? Like, you know, it's and then we see who comes

Reegs: Ismaharu arrives again, her monthly journey down. She's pretty ill, I think. She's been, like, stabbed and all sorts of shit. She's beaten up really badly. And then she's they sort of nurse her back to health on level 33 and then she repays her by killing and skinning the dog.

Dan: That's right, yeah. The one kind of thing that, and it is, you just see it's entrails everywhere, don't you? And yeah, it's, it's pretty, it's pretty brutal and she's.

She's upset by this, the girl. Miharu

Reegs: this, the girl. She wanted to be Marilyn

Dan: She wanted to be Marilyn Monroe or something, didn't she?

Yeah, that's right. And

Reegs: didn't she?

Dan: Yeah. She just goes, isn't she after she's lost the dog? Yeah. She's, what was he called? Mr.

Reegs: Ramsey's the second or something.

Everybody's name means stuff in this as well. So yeah, we can

Dan: And yeah, it was then soon after I, she, she dies.

How? Remind me how she goes.

Reegs: Well, they, she, they wake up on level 202, so that proves her story wrong already. There's more than 200 levels. Just to put that in some context, the Burge Khalifa is the highest.

building in the world and has 163 floors. So we're on floor 202

Dan: And they're

Reegs: the other way it's going

Dan: and they're still looking down and up and can't see the top or

Reegs: And that's right. And when he wakes up, she's hung herself with the bed sheets.

Dan: Yeah, that's right.

Reegs: And he eats,

Dan: a sacrifice. She said she could have jumped, but and then he wouldn't have had anything to eat. The fact that she hung herself is, is a gift to him.

Reegs: And he has all kinds of crazy hallucinations

Dan: he's still seeing tiramisu every now and again.

And he comes out with little snail talk and things like that. And being part of you now and you'll always be a part of me. And now he's. having similar kind of weird dreams with with her as well she's entered into the fray as well he makes it though

Reegs: he does. He does. And then he makes it when he wakes up next time, he's really lucked out because he is on level six mate. Not gonna get any better than that.

Dan: and he's with a very excited roommate as well a new guy yeah who is a unit so it's just as well they're not on a lower level

Reegs: And when the platform descends, I mean, it, yeah, it's the bounty that we've seen, so

Dan: it's, it's,

Reegs: in, but they also very quickly between them establish that they want to

Dan: Send down a decent sort of Platform for their for their next person and they they again they try to talk to the people below them

Reegs: And above, but even at level six, even at level six, when he talks up to the people at level five. He's taught, they're, I think they're racists basically, aren't they? Yeah. Because Bahara is black and eventually as he pokes his head up into the other, into the floor above, she shits on his

Dan: That's right, they, first, they, he, he makes a really risky move, he wants to go to the top, Baharat, remember, and he goes, look, help me up, and they got a bit of

Reegs: I thought that was a good plan. I didn't,

Dan: He got over, yeah, and just gets to the top and they shit in his face and he, he nearly, he loses his rope.

Reegs: Subtle, isn't it?

Subtle metaphor. That of the people above literally shitting in the people below his

Dan: Yeah, and but it was the drop, that's what got me. That I thought, wow, if you... fell down that big hole that's gone like but he makes it with a new kind of anger in him and he's he's being well fed now they both are and after about two weeks they come up with a plan

Reegs: is their plan. Yeah.

Dan: and it is that they're gonna make sure that everybody has enough to eat because they're gonna distribute it.

They're gonna ride the platform down. They know there's around 200, 250 maybe that they talk about flaws and they know that's a lot of fights and a lot of way down, but,

Reegs: and they have a plan, is it, to preserve a panna

Dan: Well, they,

Reegs: To perfectly preserve

Dan: they, they get that plan as they descend down and they meet. So

Reegs: The descending part was one of my

Dan: yeah, it was really, you had all these different kind of reactions to, to,

Reegs: And all the luxury items that people have bought with them on different levels, like this is somebody had bought like a surfboard. There was a paddling pool. Somebody had bought money. I love that. I love that. They were trying to throw money at them as they were going

Dan: money. I love that. They were trying to throw money at them as they were going down. To go down and say, look, everybody fed. You need to bring them up a perfect dish to say, look, we don't even need it. Or, you know, we we've still got enough left over. And he says, and the, the The cake there, the, what was it?

The panna cotta, was just perfect, wasn't it? It was, it hadn't been touched, despite all the levels and the fighting, it was still perfect, so they go, right, protect the panna cotta

Reegs: Cotter is the message,

Dan: the message, that's

Reegs: can somehow get that back up. And also he tells him, because they've been pretty violently beating everybody off.

They've well and they've like got these metal clubs that they'd made from their beds or whatever, and they're just beaten the shit out of everyone. And he sort of says to him, look, don't start with violence. Start with the message. If you have to use violence, use it. But...

Dan: to but... Start with the message, exactly. So he gives them this wisdom, sends them down,

Reegs: it is a bit more successful a little

Dan: They haven't had to fight for every level. They've some of them they were able to talk, but others, more comic in their fighting sometimes.

I mean, the first bit when he, he drives down, he, he then tries to reason and, and, I don't know. And Goring just loses it straight away and gives that woman a massive crack over the head with an iron bar, and she's out the game, like, they're mean in business, they're gonna make it all the way down, they're all in at this stage, and the floors keep going down and down, and as they get To level 52, then

Reegs: they both suffered

Dan: distributing the, the, the food though.

So they'd said, look, we're not going to keep it from everybody, but the first 50 levels can do without

Reegs: Yeah, They've had food.

Dan: They've had food. It's the ones below. So they've had to fight their way through these first 50 levels and then they start giving it out. And of course, the reaction then is, is amazing.

People on their last. a bite to eat. And as they go further down and further down and further down, there's not even anybody to give the food to. And we go to 200. GI

Reegs: we go to

Dan: whatever, we go to 200, then we go to two 10, we go to two 20. And they're kind of looking at each other. Yeah. And thinking, I think two 50 was the, the

Reegs: he theorized it was two 50, I dunno how, I can't remember

Dan: he counted.

How many seconds and how many floors and, and before it came back up. So he goes

Reegs: we go past two

Dan: we go past 300.

Reegs: Yeah. We finally stop at 333.

Dan: yeah. Halfway to hell

Reegs: yeah. exactly. And when they get there, Incredibly, the, the bottom of the platform seems to be a slightly different, it's still a cell, but it, but it's slightly different, there's like, and she's hidden underneath a bed, is Miharu's child,

Dan: and they've had some journey to get right down to the bottom here and yeah. Yeah, there she is. The, the, the child. The plan hasn't gone well, but the panna cotta is in perfect shape. Yeah. They're not.

Reegs: Oh, God, no. They're in horrible, Nick, and faced with the child and the panna cotta, they feed her.

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: panna cotta.

Dan: And then the child

Reegs: She becomes the message. Not before Baharat dies from his injuries. He's been sliced up pretty horribly. Yeah. As has Goring. So yeah tirumisu I believe is part of that. Telling him the child is the message.

Dan: That's right. Yeah. He's, you realize now he's passed over Goring. He's he's dead as well. Yeah. And the, the child kind of gets onto the platform.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: End of film. I mean, it, it, it, it zooms kind of up and you're waiting for platform two. Because this wasn't at all what I thought it was going to be. And I'm so pleased I watched it.

It was just one of those really kind of short, clever films. Okay. Well, it was had,

Reegs: it's like this one,

Dan: budget or whatever, but it didn't feel like that. It

Reegs: Yeah, no, because the location, it was all the set design and all that stuff was really, really good. And yeah, and then it's like this single really blunt metaphor stretched over the entire movie, but it's great.

Dan: Yeah, it is!

Reegs: sometimes if you're angry about, Something and you can read wherever you want into your obvious massive criticism of capitalism and how it encourages overconsumption and that sort of shit It's you know, it's so blunt and all that stuff and I don't know if it's perfect.

I'm not really at the ending I didn't know what I really felt about it I think maybe they died on the way down and the girl, you know Because the platform you couldn't get on the platform and ride it you'd be squished by the momentum of it. So

Dan: Yeah, I

Reegs: the maharu story about you know, the bureaucrat not Saying that she's an actress and all that stuff, I don't know, but there's clearly a lot you can read into the whole

Dan: read into the whole thing. Absolutely, there'll be lots of different kind of metaphors, messages and hidden meanings in probably everything that goes in that. It's probably worth, you know, a second viewing, looking for those kind of things.

But I didn't go into it like that. just watching it first time through it was, you didn't know what was going to happen, although you had a, a good idea that, you know, somebody was going to survive. There was going to be some kind of You get glimpses of the top so you thought there might be some kind of attempt on the top floor.

There might be some kind of fight there and taking it over. Similar to Snowpiercer, you know, you're going through the different carriages here. You're going up platforms and things. But it never got to that. It just stayed and that's what I liked about it. Actually. It just stayed within the cells and the cell mates And a few stories of that and it just seemed to have a lot more to give this because you think of The characters you could build into this film.

I could see a whole franchise going

Reegs: Well, they are making a sequel, I guess, due to its big success.

It was a big lockdown favorite.

Dan: Right, okay

Reegs: at the beginning of lockdown. And I guess when people were hoarding toilet paper, they were also watching this movie that

Dan: were also watching this movie. Yeah, okay, no wonder everyone was mad.

Reegs: they were.

Dan: Yeah but yeah, it was,

Reegs: it's like a really angry movie as well. Like, you know, and

Dan: like, you know, and I liked it being so blunt. Sometimes I think films can, can try to They can risk losing the meaning for some people if they're not

Reegs: Well, you're not gonna, you're not gonna come away from this not knowing what the guy thinks about,

Dan: this not

Reegs: You know, but also he's, you know, he does also critique socialism a little bit in it as well.

Some, you know, it's not all, despite it's heavy handed, there is a bit of nuance in there as well, so.

Dan: Yeah, liked it. Think I've already recommended it since I've seen it. So I would say the same to anyone. Go and check it out.

Reegs: agreed.