Midweek Mention... The Score

The Score

Dan: The score. Marlon Brando's. Last role.

Reegs: Yeah,

Sidey: It really is. Sorry, I've got a flying...

Reegs: Well, it's something attacking

Cris: flying saucer.

Sidey: Yes. The drone. Yeah. Marlon Brando. And there are other people in it as well who have

Reegs: it's a bit of an all star cast. Really? Robert De Niro. Angela Bassett yeah, yeah.

Ed Norton and, yeah. Marlon Brando. And directed by Yoda.

Cris: Oh, Yoda directed it. Wow. Who?

Reegs: Frank Oz. The voice of Yoda.

Cris: Oh, is that who? I saw the actual little person,

Sidey: Well, basically, yeah.

Cris: Nice.

Dan: The Wizard of Oz. Yeah.

Sidey: this starts off with De Niro, doesn't it?

Reegs: Yeah, it's a sort of it's a classic set up is because it's a one last job type heist gentleman thief type movie kind of in the vein of Michael Mann's thief it reminded me of but a bit more of a Hollywood II version Yeah, and it starts with a safe cracking exactly as that film did

He's at a club or a party or something, isn't he?

So you can hear it in the

Sidey: or some sort of event going on. It's like a big fancy house. Like a, not a manor house, but it's a big old bit of real estate.

Reegs: And he's in the dark and he's drilling and he's putting these special magnifying glasses on and he's like, you can see the tumblers or something as he's moving

Dan: is Nick, is it? Bobby De Niro? Yeah.

Reegs: I don't know what he's doing, but it's great because he's, he's clearly

Dan: He's a pro.

Reegs: safe and just as he opens the safe door, like a pair of amorous lovers come into the, the room and start to make out and he has to like quickly drop to behind the settee, I

Cris: Yes. Yeah behind the sofa or

Dan: Oh, wow, they have a bit of a tumble. The

Reegs: starting to get it on, but she stops for a joint, I

Cris: yes, she wanted the

Reegs: Yeah, she wanted a smoke, it pisses the dude off and he leaves and she lights

Sidey: he couldn't just wait like ten minutes to

Reegs: Or just have that doobie with her and then, yeah,

Sidey: in really...

Reegs: Yeah, he leaves and she sits back to fire that joint up and she, as she does, she notices all the equipment on the floor.

And suddenly he very quickly sort of subdues her from behind, I think, doesn't he? And he says something like, you know, you won't be hurt, don't turn around, just don't turn around. I'm leaving, you won't be heard, just stay here sort of thing and he's stashed whatever he has yeah and then he's out there but he's clearly a bit flustered as he makes his pre planned escape and I, because he like fumbles with his keys when he gets back to his van or

Sidey: Yeah, and he leaves all the gear there. He's got a special like gas canister because he's his his cover is he's the balloon guy. So he's got a gas canister which is hollow and he screws up puts the stuff in there but leaves all the other gear that's disposable doesn't need that. And yeah, hi Charles out there goes to the safe house where they take Take the decals off the van.

Yeah.

Dan: he doesn't leave a clue there though does he he's

Sidey: He's

Dan: He's a pro Yeah, even flustered. He's

Reegs: And we get a sort of moody jazz score. It's Howard Shaw. So, that's pretty cool. And yeah he, no, he, he looks like a man when he gets back to his place. He's sort of looking roof. He looks like a man who knows he nearly fucked up basically.

And then back at his jazz club in Montreal. Business is good, lots of covers and all that sort of thing. It's almost worth going legit for him. And he's thinking about it when Marlon Brando's Max turns up. And he's a bit like a sort of really camp kingpin

Cris: And also massively overweight.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah, Max by name, Max by nature.

He's, he's some size.

Cris: I knew he kind of let himself go and he

Sidey: Well, it was hot, apparently, and he would be naked quite a lot of the time on set,

Reegs: Must have

Sidey: must have been a real treat for everyone. Yeah. Yeah, well it's surprising

Cris: Well, I was surprised

Reegs: surprised you were able to

Cris: to find a suit for him. Have you seen the size of that

Sidey: the size of that

Reegs: I

Cris: I know, but there's loads of fabric in that

Reegs: there's loads of fabric in that suit.

I think

Sidey: the suit still looks like way too big for him.

Reegs: Do, but the proportions just look out, don't they? The next job is all ad libbed. They didn't, you know, again, it's typical Brando. But I think this was by design almost, and also because, you know, Brando and the director fell out horribly. I'm

Dan: I'm just thinking about Brando's look, and I used to play this computer game, and it had, like, the kingpin. I think it was Spider

Sidey: Yeah, it would have been, yeah.

Reegs: yeah. And

Dan: it's almost that same

Sidey: big dude in a

Dan: And I don't know what came first, actually, but it was, yeah.

Brando is just like that

Sidey: yeah. so the backstory to the, to the production is that he, he basically didn't respect Frank Osdorff and he

Reegs: Osdorff. Fonzie. And

Sidey: so he would, they had to get De Niro to direct all the scenes with

Reegs: the scenes with Brando.

It

Dan: It must have been a paycheck for him here. Then this, because Brando wasn't taking a lot of work at this stage.

Sidey: No, I think once you're, once you're not putting out Godfathers and Apocalypse Nows, you get to this and you think, is it really worth it?

Like it's the big

Cris: Well, apparently towards the end he would take any job where he would do three days work and he's like, well, if

Dan: A

Cris: that's what, yeah.

And then you pay

Reegs: well yeah, Superman and

Cris: having loads of sex with loads of

Sidey: But anyway, he was very difficult making

Reegs: Yeah. Anyway, he's got bad news. I think it's exactly the same set up as we saw in thief where the fence has died or whatever for his stuff, but don't worry. He's got a new plan. He's got to steal. He's got, it's going to be worth four million dollars to Nick and this French scepter that was being smuggled through customs has been taken into the customs house because it was, it was in a wooden piano that was going rotten and had some fucking, and it's been quarantined and it's got this really valuable French scepter in it and Max is putting together one last job.

Nick, will you, will you do it?

Dan: will they learn one last

Reegs: And he's, Max has got an inside man as well. But De Niro says, you don't shit where you eat you know, cause it's a local job, it's happening in Montreal, you don't do that and so he's out. And then his girlfriend turns up, um, some sexy talk, yeah, some

Cris: Which I have to say, I was actually curious if he had anything to do with the casting for this, because he's notoriously known. He's known for

Reegs: likes black women

Cris: ladies. Yeah. So I thought, did he actually just want her to, because he never played with her and just wanted to have sexy scenes with her or.

Which I still haven't managed to answer this question,

Sidey: just say yes.

Dan: she is a fantastic actor

Reegs: she is And they have a conversation where he's like trying to say to her, look, what, what if we go, what if I go legit and make things a bit more serious? And what if we were around a bit together more? She's an air stewardess and she's just back from Rome and their relationship is slightly, it's more than transactional, but only just,

Sidey: Yeah, they're two ships passing in the night, aren't they? Because he'll be away doing his work. She's away doing her thing, so they're very rarely in the same town.

Reegs: exactly, that's exactly it. Yeah. Anyway, so, they're left to think about, that's

Cris: That's left He's he's sort of playing two characters,

Reegs: well, he's playing Brian, he's sort of playing two characters in, not two characters, but Yeah, he's, he's.

Cris: He's playing a person with clear disabilities. I can't, I don't even know.

Loads of tics and he's like full on, I don't know, not very

Dan: not very clever. It's a bit

Cris: would say even

Reegs: More, more exaggerated than that, yeah. I, it would be impossible to diagnose what, you know, but it's sort of general reduced intellect and,

Sidey: convinced, he's convinced all the people at the...

Reegs: Well, he stops De Niro in the street first and asks him for directions or something and then suddenly he changes, breaks character and he's like Jack, yeah, thanks Nick, he says to him and Nick is pissed off about this, like, storms off to Max's to confront him, like, how have you told your guy about me and Jack's there, um,

Sidey: he gives them some about, you know, cut me in. I'm not some, you know, wet behind the ears, all this sort of stuff

Reegs: Well, actually, he's completely enraged, isn't he? And he just leaves,

Sidey: Yeah. Obviously, De Niro's got his rules and his principles of how you do this job whereas the Brian or Ed Norton's character is too cavalier.

He's too gung ho. Yeah. For De Niro's liking.

Reegs: absolutely. Yeah. So, Nick goes back to the jazz club and I think calls one of these like heavies that he knows, like a thug to go around to Jack's place to intimidate him to just like, you know, stay out of, Nick's life and he turns up there with a baseball bat and it's pretty quickly the situation is turned around and Jack has beaten the shit out of the heavy and then turns up back at Nick's place.

Nick think in, in the heavies car, I can't remember what he's called Bert or something.

Dan: Right, so he's, he's expecting Bert

Reegs: expecting him to come in. And Jack comes in and this, this is where they have a conversation. Where yeah, he sort of ends up,

Dan: him to get on board.

Reegs: yeah, kind of, yeah. He, basically he, he talks him very briefly through the job and then talks about how it's a big payoff for very acceptable risks and, you know, he,

Dan: That's the score

Reegs: he's much more convincing.

That's the score. Yeah. And he compliments him and then off he's gone anyway.

Sidey: Anyway. Nick's got a different price in mind, doesn't he?

He says, right, for all these risks, my take is six. Yeah. I'm taking nothing less. Yes. He's very, very adamant

Dan: after he goes off to do his own little

Reegs: he's only in, he's kind of only in after he goes off to do his own little scouting mission of the customs house. He looks at all the security and all that stuff and then he hears it and then, yeah, you're right.

Him, perhaps he's in, but only if it's six mil. this is where Jack basically outlines what he's been doing. So he's been posing as this janitor with disabilities at the customs house. So he's there man on the inside and we see him going about his routine, how he's managed to get through security.

He's got this little radio that is actually like. Will come to learn is a sort of a concealed thing that he sneaks

Sidey: around. Because there's a metal detector, yeah.

Reegs: As he goes in and he's been copying all the keys because he's like been doing this act for God knows how long. And he's obviously conned everybody there and he's copied all the keys, got access virtually everywhere.

And this is the bit where we find out exactly about all the. Piano and how it's hidden away in the basement and Nick goes to scope it all out. And eventually, you know, there's tense bits where he's like got a fiber optic thing in there so he can scope out what's safe. He's later going to see what safe it is and all this other stuff.

So he's just scoping the place out basically. And what what happens

Sidey: Well, they find out where it's being kept because there was a bit of drama because the the scepter like you mentioned, because in the leg of a piano is how it's been smuggled in.

And they're putting it in the incinerator because they don't the guys that where they don't know. And Jack has to break character or not break character, but kind of reveal that this thing is there.

Reegs: yeah

Sidey: Which complicates matters because then they're like, shit, what the fuck is

Reegs: oh yeah they literally throw it on the furnace and he's like suddenly having to go

Sidey: like Rosebud from Citizen Kane.

Reegs: but

Sidey: aNd so it ends up being stored in their most secure facility, which is in the basement in this like super fucking thick safe thing. Yeah, that complicates the plan.

Reegs: Also complicating it is it's got like super futuristic early noughties hacker content stuff around it complete gibberish when they talk about it. I've got some of the quotes for it here and later, but there's basically it's this firm called ironclad. And for some reason that the plot doesn't really make clear.

De Niro knows this fucking basement dwelling like,

Cris: Yeah, I didn't really get that.

Reegs: Yeah, it does. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

Cris: He just calls him out of nowhere.

He just appears in the movie, oh, we have to go through the security, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, that's, you know, Edward Norton comes into the car, oh, we need to get through security. We need to get these passcodes at these certain times. And he just kind of looks at him and he's

Reegs: like, I've got it covered. I know this fucking angry nerd who's like always shouting at his mother and stuff. It's like the most stereotypical thing, but he's a little bit of levity in the thing. Anyway, Nick gets a.

Practice copy of the safe to work on because one of the big problems is going to be, and we're not going to find out how until the actual heist, how he's going to crack this safe because obviously it's uncrackable. It's got some,

Dan: been done before.

Reegs: it can't be drilled. It's got these glass plates that if you drill it, then it

Cris: Yeah, it was this year's

Reegs: makes it.

It

Cris: It was the model that was that year, so, you know.

Reegs: Uncrackable, Dan. So De Niro's got to figure that out as well. And then he gets a call from the hacker friend. He's like encountered some security admin online and from the firm. And now they're being. What's the word?

Cris: Counter hacked, I

Reegs: and they're asked the guy's asking for fifty thousand dollars for these pass keys and we're gonna go meet in a park and Exchange the pass so they're being shaken down for this and they go out and have this meeting with this guy's clearly he's brought his cousin along as he calls it Just some fucking middle aged ball guy.

It's like, you know, he's heavy that's turned up with him and they go and Exchange these pass keys? I dunno, he is typing them in three at a time, or is that later

Cris: when No, no, that's the one in the park. He, there's three, three and four at the end, so there's like three sequences.

It

Reegs: It just doesn't make any sense at all.

Like the, but anyway, yeah. So the,

Dan: is all part of the cracking

Reegs: They need the pass keys to get in. This guy wants $50,000 for it. Nearly gets the, the point of it all is, it nearly goes all wrong because Jack has bought a gun with him. This guy's bought a gun with him and Nick doesn't like that. No guns like, and it's a continuation of this thing where Jack constantly in dangers or

Sidey: yeah. he's, reckless. He's just reckless.

Cris: what, De Niro

Sidey: It's not like... What's his name, Vincent? Oh, Neil McCauley, is it? And he, his character, right? He, he will walk away, you know, he's not going to do anything, he's got his plan, if everything goes fine, we'll go through with it, if there's anything goes awry, you walk away, so he's kind of like a dire version of that, in this, that he's very principled, and anyone who fucks with it, he doesn't like that, that's, that's just going to get you caught or get you killed.

Reegs: And Jack has kind of got a slight inferiority complex. Yeah, so, anyway and they do have a big conversation, don't they, about not taking long shots, not taking gambles, don't take the short route, you know, De Niro saying this to him.

And of course we know,

Dan: in a corny way.

Reegs: yeah, exactly. Yeah. it. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Bit And

Sidey: Or have a backup, maybe have a backup plan. He's

Dan: both called Brian and Jack in this, because

Reegs: his alter ego janitor thing, yeah.

It's not really, it's not like a Fight Club situation. Yeah. There's a bit where he sees a keg being dropped on the floor and then we cut to him telling and it like, it's, it's, some guys are rolling a beer keg and it... Falls and the thing pops out and then it cuts to him telling Norton he's figured out how he's gonna Unlock the safe, so we know a little bit what it's got to do with, but pressure or something, how he's going to blow it, but and he shows him and Jack's like, Oh, but we don't get to see it as the audience.

So we know we're going to get saved that for later, which is a nice one. This is when we find out that Max as owes a load of money, right? And De Niro

Cris: Yeah, the heavy guy tells him they exchanged some parcel in the parking lot. And then the fat guy with a bald head tells De Niro Max owes money to some Italian sounding guy.

Sidey: Someone you don't want to owe money to

Cris: Yeah.

Dan: is the pressure then why he's gone to find nick.

He understands

Cris: then he goes to his house. He kind of goes there. Some people waiting outside the house kind of serve. Surveillance and that and he goes through the back door gets the key and goes and finds him

Reegs: He's in like a swimming

Cris: But it's

Reegs: sauna,

Cris: yeah, whereas the jacuzzi is empty this is kind of like an unfinished basement of the house

Reegs: he's very sweaty. And he basically begs, you know, Max pretty much begs him and says, you know, The Deceptor's worth 30 million dollars and I owe money here. And pretty much begs him to finish the job, which Nick reluctantly agrees to. And also, suddenly, to further complicate things, the Customs House now have come to realize the true value of the scepter that was there, and they've beefed up security a lot, and they've put these infrared things around it, so it's

Dan: Is Brian getting any thanks for In his character? Because he found it

Reegs: Oh yeah. Well, I don't think they really mentioned that, but again, 'cause it's almost like he nearly botch it. It's a bit too obvious when he's like, oh look, in the fight, I'm not gonna do an impression. But yeah. Anyway, now pretty much now we're off on the heist itself, which is probably the best bit of the movie, I would say the last 45 minutes.

They, oh, how does it go? They start with like AFAF. They smuggle a load of stuff in through a fake

Cris: Yes, yeah, this is like the bin liner is underneath the bin liner and,

Reegs: Because that's Brian's job, obviously, as the janitor, he takes the bins in and out, and it's... I thought, God, they've got to steal a garbage truck to do that, or at least, like, borrow one.

Because it was the bald guy, Bert, from earlier. Anyway he... He works

Sidey: Jack's on comms.

Reegs: Yep.

Sidey: And Nick is almost doing a kind of Mission Impossible bit at this,

Reegs: Yeah, coming up through the sewers and cutting up into the room through the floor sort of thing, up into the basement itself and he's got like a half hour window or

Sidey: Yeah, it's pretty tight. And we get to start seeing what the plan is to get into the safe.

Reegs: Yeah, because we haven't actually known any of the plans at all and it involves the cameras going down very briefly, I've

Sidey: No, I thought they're down for ages

Reegs: the second time is ridiculous how

Sidey: The security guy's like, maybe we should send someone down.

Yeah. That's just the worst. Absolutely terrible.

Reegs: So yeah, there's and it loads of stuff goes wrong in the heisters. You'd think that Jan, the other janitor that he's working with. It's like, oh, I don't want to do that job today. Let's do this other one and knock off early and Brian's like, and then he has to like, pretend to drop a thing on the floor and I'll go and get the, you know, all the tension ratchets up as he's in places where he's not supposed to be.

And people are looking for him now and that sort of thing. And De Niro, meanwhile, has got this, like, climbing rig going on where he's traversing the ceiling so he can't be seen when the cameras are going down and all this stuff. Eventually, he's suspended above the... Oh, there's a moment where Jack toys with him, where he's putting in the...

he leaves him dangling. To fuck him up just because he can at the last minute and and De Niro nearly abandons the job and he's about to and then he carries it going. So there's a load of stuff going on, you know, this little power play going on. And then they, I don't know, dis disable the infrared stuff and you see finally what his thing is, which is to drill,

Sidey: 'cause they do it. They have to make a hole. Yeah. To do the keg thing. We've seen the keg and they do. So there must be some clever way that they are able to get round this glass thing. Yeah. But they do make a hole to literally just fill it full of water and then put a. Depth charge you

Reegs: charge, yeah.

Sidey: and we see it go off pretty cool actually and the door is obviously where the weakest point is and it just fucking flies off a billion miles an hour It's pretty

Reegs: at the camera, that's pretty cool.

Sidey: brian's mentor Has caught him out.

Reegs: right.

Sidey: He's gone back. So A second thought about whatever task he was off to do and he goes back into the room And jack has to reveal I felt quite bad for that guy because he'd been mentoring him for so long

Reegs: and then suddenly he's

Sidey: he and then he's just got him at gunpoint saying you need to fuck off But I think he sort of says sorry, but you know, he's like well, this is the job, you know, And it's like, oh man, that poor dude.

Reegs: it, he? Yeah, but he

Sidey: he knows, so he then knows, and he gets locked in while the heist goes on. And he sort of manages to,

Reegs: in while the hide goes on. And

Dan: yeah, that's

Reegs: sort of now just... He's got a

Sidey: it's got a special bag that they've made.

Yeah. So that goes on. I think the other gear can just be left, but he gets out, he's still got a balaclava and a mask on.

Reegs: Yeah. But then Jack immediately confronts him, turns a gun on him as he grabs the, the scepter, and forces him to hand it over. Forces him to take off his

Sidey: mask. Yeah, and

Reegs: And he's already pre programmed the alarms to go off and it's like, Oh, I'm going to frame you and I'm going to just, I'm going to, you know, Brian my way out of here in the aftermath and you're going to be left here fucked.

And that's what he proceeds to do. You know, he goes, he sort of puts the. I think he just hides the scepter, which is enormous, down his, like, boiler suit and kind of just walks out of there in the chaos of everything that's going on as they all storm off

Sidey: He goes through the metal detector with his little stereo thing, his radio And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, go out And then his, I forget the old chap's name The guy that's been mentoring him in his job He's like, oh, did

Reegs: It's Brian, it's

Sidey: where he went? And they're like, he's just gone out there And then we get the reveal that De Niro, Nick's character, if fucking knew all along that this was gonna

Reegs: well, you get smug, smug Jack going to this train station, it looks like he's got a cap on and he's got his thing.

He's like,

Sidey: he phones him to gloat.

Reegs: Yeah, he phones him to gloat and all that stuff. Yeah. Phones

Sidey: his shitty like clam phone with the ariel looks, so Biff . Yeah. Right. And he's giving him the big one and Nick's just like, well, time. Is that what you think?

Reegs: Well, he says, he says, Oh, you know, cause I've got the scepter. He's sure about that.

And

Sidey: lead pipe.

Reegs: yeah, it's the axle. They were using an axle when they were training in it. And it's the training axle. So at some point he's done the old switcheroo. And not only that, the crime is now completely linked only to pretty much him and an unnamed accomplice. So, De Niro has got away with it. I think he even says is okay.

Bye bye. Thing that Brian has been saying it's sort of his

Dan: okay bye bye Yeah,

Reegs: yeah so he even repeats that back to him and the look on Norton's face is pretty priceless, actually, and that's how it ends. You know, Jack on the run every cop in the city after him and De Niro goes to meet up with Angela Bassett.

So off screen somewhere in all of this, they've decided to rekindle their life and he's going to go Straight, sort of, with all this money that he's made selling the scepter, maybe.

Dan: I imagine he would take Jack's share as well, wouldn't he?

Sidey: he? Well, quite, well, yeah, quite hard to move that thing, I would have thought.

Not, this is not diamonds.

Reegs: Mm. Yeah,

Dan: they'll have to melt it down. But what about Max? Was he still

Reegs: Well, I assume he'll get his cut as well.

Dan: And

Sidey: I assumed he was dead,

Dan: another day.

Reegs: Yeah. But mostly you know, yeah.

Dan: this from first time round. Didn't catch it this time, but as you talked about it there I remember it being quite a big big news. You know, it was all these

Reegs: cast is really something, isn't

Dan: You know, Ed Norton was right in his pump there as

Sidey: Yeah, he would have been, he would have done Fight Club by now.

Reegs: new guy. Yeah, you had Brando doing his strange stuff as well. You know, so.

Dan: this was a chance to get those three guys on screen together, I felt at the time. You know, you almost had Brando as like the godfather, and then

Sidey: Well, they're the only, the only two actors that have won an Oscar for playing the same character.

Dan: Pa, yeah,

Sidey: and then they're on screen together and it was just so disappointing.

Reegs: disappointing.

Dan: Yeah, it wasn't.

Sidey: Well, not some, some of the high stuff was quite cool, but the, you know,

Reegs: It's very predictable. I think it's the main thing, it's so goddamn predictable.

Sidey: takes away any kind of tension that you have and when you're watching it.

Reegs: but it's decent paced. It's decently paced. Yeah. It's, it's like a solid, the

Sidey: I mean, you can always watch Nero, right? He's always like good enough to watch. And he is very good still in this. But watching it through the lens of today with Norton. Like, doing this disabled impersonation thing, it's a bit,

Dan: a bit like... And the way that he does

Sidey: But the, but the way that he does it is like the way that you would, maybe when you were at school, or, when you were still, impersonate someone with disabilities. It, that's what it seemed like to me. Yeah.

Cris: not the first time, he's done

Sidey: He's got pre, he, he

Reegs: know, you were saying that, we had one more between us, but what was the,

Dan: was the... But

Sidey: no, it's

Reegs: So he's motherless brooklyn, he does the same

Cris: thing. Yeah, it's

Sidey: of thing.

Reegs: fear,

Cris: And it's also,

Reegs: kind of...

Cris: motherless brooklyn is also bad.

Dan: each time he's, he's not, you know, he's playing it to con people to do it.

You know, that, that's, it's not like he's

Sidey: I think he gets away with it.

Dan: character and trying to, you know, play that kind of you know,

Sidey: Yeah, when he when he first appeared on the screen and was doing it, I was a bit like, Oh, and then when you like when you see that it's

Cris: it's an act

Sidey: kind of Okay, all right. But this just the film, though, there's just not much tension, you know, and around this time, you would have had like Thomas crown affair, it's better. Others I can't even think of off the edge, but

Reegs: I thought, right,

Sidey: it was okay.

Reegs: I... It was like a solid six and a half out of, you know, very easy to put on. It's not more than two hours, so,

Cris: Yeah, an hour forty five.

Reegs: 45. Bit

Dan: of a twist at the end.

Sidey: It's got that real, yeah, but the twist doesn't

Cris: Yeah, I fell asleep twice. but it was, it was alright. I wouldn't, I wouldn't say, oh my god, I can't wait to watch it again. But there was a few, a few good scenes in it.

Reegs: Weirdly, I would say probably Norton carries the movie with those other two you know, they're both like, Brando is just being doing weird Brando shit and De Niro is doing such a stock character that's like a watered down version of anything good that you've seen him do it before that yeah, it's mostly, mostly the Jack and Brian character that drives the movie.

Dan: So this or cats

Reegs: It doesn't really have to be that choice. I

Cris: Cats?

the movie? Yeah. Well, this definitely.

Dan: you go, that's a solid shot

Sidey: yeah.

Cris: that is one of the worst movies that's been, ever been

Dan: know. Yeah,

Cris: No, this is not that bad. No, this is, this is all right, but it's not a great movie to say. Compared to what De Niro's done and all these other actors in this movie have done in their career, this is not a defining movie for any of them.

Dan: isn't it?

Because the cast is so stellar. Yeah. You'd hope that the, the writing, the plot, the direction would be matching that and squeezing all you could out of, out of that, but, and it's just

Sidey: mid. Brando he refused to smile in his last scene, so they had to digitally add a smile just for his, he's such a cock.

Cris: Really?

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: I kind of like, appreciate his commitment to just being fucking annoying all the time. Yeah,

Reegs: smile. Couldn't even be

Dan: Yeah, it'd be interesting because Brando obviously is considered one of the, the greatest actors we we've ever had. Certainly Hollywood kind of acting. But I wonder which directors he really did get on with or is he

Sidey: Flop. I reckon that this has probably

Cris: Flop.

Dan: reckon that this is probably made that back now, but not by a lot.

Sidey: It did a hundred and fourteen

Cris: Really?

Dan: okay, so

Cris: Wow, okay, well

Reegs: the names, really. You know.

Sidey: most of the tools and techniques and everything in the safe cracking are genuine and and functional

Reegs: Yeah, but it didn't feel as authentic as, like, cause we watched Thief, and that is what I would compare this to, in some ways, but Thief is a much better movie, but...

But

Sidey: but what I was gonna say was that they were provided by a technical advisor, Mick Gould. So I think we ought to check out what Mick Gould gets up to in his spare time.

Dan: Yeah, he's probably

Sidey: sounds dodgy as fuck.

Cris: That's another one that I have to say from all the movie, the technical detail, I wasn't sure if it's true or not, but they kind of went into, you know, even like that fake door that he kept pushing around and like all these kind of technical details, they all sounded very, You said about the terms about hacking.

I don't know if that was bullshit or it

Reegs: Oh yeah, complete

Cris: was, okay, I didn't know that. But it sounded really technical

Dan: but I remember

Reegs: I actually have got a quote of, hang on, if you want to hear cruising around at Root Cobol level when he pulled me into a private chat room. That's what he says.

Cris: you go.

Reegs: And it's all nonsense.

Cris: yeah, that.

Sidey: well, it was okay. It was alright.

Reegs: Yeah,

Strong recommend.

Sidey: Yeah.