Midweek Mention... Robocop

Robocop

Cris: How would you say Daniel with a Liverpool accent? Can Is that

Does that exist?

Dan: Don't know I've never Danny

Cris: Danny! Yeah,

Dan: cut you right down I think That's yeah, that's how they do it in Liverpool, and that's where I was, which is why I never watch this film.

Sidey: Yeah, but how do they do it in Detroit?

Dan: in the Motor City I would imagine it's like,

Cris: just say Don.

Sidey: Because that's where weeker was set. Yeah. We get

an opening little shot, just for a second, and then BANG! Right in your face, the name of the film, fucking whack, right

Reegs: your face. With that big theme

Sidey: well. Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh.

Reegs: duh. Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. And if you don't know, just from the theme tune, that is RoboCop.

It's

Dan: obvious, I think most people would know that from that theme tune. But I watched this, wasn't that long ago, maybe 25 years ago? You remember the

Reegs: I don't know exactly where I watched

Sidey: I had a semi on too, I

Dan: had a, I had a semi on

Reegs: a semi on too. I don't know when I watched this, when

Sidey: watched this when I was the age my daughter is now, and that is fucking

Dan: That's scary. I was probably

Reegs: probably only a year or so older. Yeah.

Dan: Well, I would have been a bit younger than you two, but yeah, I watched it around that first time as well.

Sidey: So it's RoboCop and it opens

Reegs: called Robocop, the Future of Law Enforcement.

But they took that shitty

Sidey: shit.

Better from them, yeah.

Reegs: Better from it.

Sidey: And it starts off with a news report.

Reegs: It's a load of world building via the news reports. These sort of two smiling, cheerful anchors

Sidey: talking. You give us two minutes. unbelievable

We'll give you the world .

Dan: I

really like that. That was a clever way to bring the film right up to speed. Give you a sense of, you know, the situation that we're in.

Reegs: Yeah, well, you hear about South Africa is still under apartheid. There's a nuclear plant in the Amazon rainforest that's experiencing a meltdown. There's rebels in Mexico and the president has gone weightless. I think at this point or aboard the international space station proxy or whatever it is.

But more importantly, we're also told about the privatization of the police force. By the megacorporation, OCP. I'm actually wearing, you can't see it here on the OCP t shirt here on the consumer products. yeah, they, they run everything. So that's, this is sort of satirized,

Dan: dystopian

Reegs: yeah.

Satirizing Reagan's economics basically of, of the eighties.

Sidey: 80s and then we meet some of the Employees of OCP. Yeah and we get a bit of intel. It's some younger execs who are real keen go getters Miguel Ferrer is there. I love him

Reegs: I love

Sidey: He has some some of the best Insults ever committed to television in Twin Peaks right up there with Malcolm Tucker Absolutely outstanding.

So I love it. Whenever I see him, it's great and he plays a real fucking arsehole in this who's trying to claw his way

Dan: He's trying to claw his way up.

Sidey: now, unfortunately He's

Dan: mantra. So they've got the board meeting,

Sidey: so they've got the board meeting and he's going to try and blindside them So there's the old, they just call him the old man or the, is the, is the chairman and he's got this plan for Delta City, which is going to be this enormous new city built on the site of Detroit.

It's going to generate a million jobs, a million, maybe 2 million jobs.

But Dick is still more concerned with This privatization of the police force and introduce that what they're going to bring in is there is the new robot.

Reegs: Yeah, they're proudly demonstrating their future of law enforcement, ED 209. And what a great little reveal this is. It makes like, you know, as it comes through the doors, make it like a crazy sound. And it's just this unbelievable design as well. It still looks kind of okay.

Sidey: thought looked great. I really thought looked great. I mean, you know, it's a little bit hairy, motion when it moves, but then they do

clever things where they do close up of the leg or close with a foot and it looks great. I think it's still look great. What I didn't remember was the sound effects.

It sounds like a lion or like a screaming baby was the same when

it

Reegs: about to say, but yeah, it's a lion and you get that for intimidation, but who, who programmed it to squeal like a little pig at the end? Anyway, yeah. So it comes in and it's, they're going to give this demonstration of this thing, which is this Goliath.

It's a walking tank with machine guns on two legs.

Sidey: complete overkill for, Yeah.

Reegs: mean, it's just ridiculous. And it comes in and they do this demonstration. They've coincidentally got a gun in the boardroom, which they're going to leave there right till the end of the movie for him to use at the end.

Sidey: Because I haven't watched this for a little while. Like, just pick out a couple of scenes that you remember. This would be one. And the one fairly shortly. And then there's stuff later on. But these like, real, I remember watching this the first time. Because it's so fucking violent. And I was way, way too

Dan: So, I didn't, as I say, didn't catch up with this movie because I wasn't in Liverpool, I was away.

But, if it's the scene I remember, it's the one where

Reegs: They ask him to do a

Dan: second countdown.

Reegs: They ask him to do a demonstration and so he threatens the gun and he says, you know, you've got 20 seconds to comply, obviously in this growling, terrifying voice. I think you better do what he says. Chucks the gun down and he looks at the gun and then just looks back at him and he says, you now have

And it's pretty obvious what's gonna go on, like you, I was terrified as a kid, and it ends exactly as you think it would, with just an unbelievable overkill of bullets at this guy, he's just a

Dan: they're up in the boardroom in a skyscraper, aren't they?

Sidey: He lands The guy lands on The plans

Reegs: future of

Sidey: Delta City.

and it continues to shoot his legs.

It's so

brutal.

Reegs: everywhere. And somebody shouts, someone get that man a paramedic. It's fucking amazing. And there's just like nothing left of him on the, on the boardroom. So, yeah the Miguel Ferrer sees his opportunity to undermine Dick the ED209 program with his own program, the Robocop program.

Which is to take a

cop and turn them into a cyborg as we're going to find out.

Sidey: Yeah, the old man says, well, how long, you know, to get that up and running? And it's like 30 days, I think he says, Oh,

Reegs: needs a volunteer.

Sidey: just need a, in inverted commas, volunteer. And you're like, right. And then cut to introduction of our volunteer. Yeah,

Reegs: Yeah. Officer Murphy. And Yeah, we're gonna see that the police officers are hideously underfunded and in a arms race that they're losing with a very violent gang of thugs led by this guy Clarence Bodega that we're gonna meet. We meet him fairly early on actually. 'cause

Sidey: We've been told he's

killed

Reegs: transferred 31 guys or whatever.

Murphy's transferred into this station and he's immediately sent out with his badass partner Lewis, who's shown she takes one in the face and then just bats

Dan: Oh, that's in the precinct, isn't it?

There's kind of, a guy kicks off in the precinct and,

Sidey: Yeah, it's an absolute hellhole of just

Dan: yeah. And, and she kicks his ass and he's like really impressed and they're okay. And next thing they're heading down to some warehouse where,

Reegs: and not before, he's done a little spin of his gun, really deeply unprofessional. I think he's taught himself to, his kid likes him to do this.

Sidey: Lazer TJ Lazer

Reegs: Lazer. move of,

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Dan: But it is, it is kind of,

Sidey: real gunslinger kind of thing

Dan: guns slinger stuff. But it is kind of important because he leans into that when he becomes Robocop in a little while. But to get him there, they have to fight some baddies in a warehouse.

So he is got the old

Sidey: Well They've they've robbed a bank They've they've robbed a banner in the back of the van like cackling at hyenas

Reegs: of the band, like, cackling like hyenas.

Sidey: And yes end up in I think the whole like city basically is disused fucking like

Reegs: Warehouse, yeah.

Sidey: So they go to this one in particular and they're all laughing and giggling and she gets

rumbled.

by

Reegs: She

takes a look at some guy's cock,

Sidey: That's how he distracts her because he's taking a piss and she You gets rumbled, he pulls the gun on him,

and his dick is out, and he, so it's a black fella, so the stereotype, I think they're leaning into a bit here, and he's, she's maintaining eye contact, and he's just staring at her, and she fucking looks down, and then he swipes the gun out of her hand, and pushes her over a ledge.

I think, It's like the classic bad guy thing of just thinking that they're dead.

and instead of

Reegs: BEARING IN MIND WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN TO

Dan: she dropped about 20.

Sidey: it?

Cris: I did, yeah.

Dan: Yeah. She drops about sort of 25 feet

Sidey: but she's got Kevlar. she's got, you know, all protection on.

Dan: But she looks out of it. But yeah, you're right.

Not dead. He just looks down and laughs and then they go and Murphy's pulled a gun. Um,

Reegs: Rumbles the other, the other goons.

Dan: But

Sidey: First of all, it's just the guy who went on to be in ER.

He he,

Dan: become a doctor. It's hard to

Sidey: yeah, Rocket Romano, he, he, he catches him and

thinks he's got him, but of course gets caught out by Laura Palmer's dad arrives and he says he's very quickly outnumbered and they sort of waste no

Reegs: This was the scene that I really remember being shocked by as a kid

Dan: They torture him. Yeah.

Reegs: him and you know, they blow off his hand, which is good because in the story it will be weaponized and kill Bodega later. But in this it's horrible when they shoot his arm off and let him stumble around

Dan: But that's how they start, isn't it? They shoot the hand,

Sidey: drag it out, He

gets the shotgun, and he goes,

b Pointing it all around his body till he's pinned.

It's not quite Christ like it'd be his

hands out They hold his hand and it just blows it away and you see it. It's fucking so graphic

Reegs: And sadistic as

Sidey: And then stands like you say and then the arm gets blown off And and then he's stumbling around and just gets one in the in the head straight through the forehead

Reegs: million times.

Sidey: well, They do They do but but you think

Cris: Without an arm and then he falls down

Sidey: Then they get the boom through

the forehead.

Reegs: it took a long

Cris: time to kill

Reegs: Yeah, well they got their volunteer, they found somebody

Dan: Well, they got their volunteer. They found somebody that they can cyborg up

Reegs: Yeah, well, because his police contract, because it's owned by OCP, they can just, like, Oh, part of your terms of, you're dead, so we can just use

Dan: We can do what the fuck they like, and you hear this as they as he comes into consciousness every now and again.

Sidey: quick, isn't it? It's just like,

Reegs: Oh, it's great pacing

Dan: is, yeah, it's, it's really

Sidey: Because you get some close ups of Miguel, and he's like, why's he still got his legs, you know? I saw one in full

Reegs: It's armed, it's, it's his arm, he asks for his arm to be

Sidey: That's it. Just the head, basically, is left.

Reegs: But

you see them screwing on the visor and all just POV shots one night when they're drunk having a New Year's party or something.

Dan: That's all part of

Reegs: of the

great tease of the reveal of Robocop which you first see him actually on a monitor really really quickly as the camera pans but then as he comes to the the police station you just hear the weight of him first and then you see him through some frosted glass i think maybe you see an arm or whatever and then it's revealed with the score kind of going it's great he looks and it's such a cool design man Robocop looks amazing

Dan: does look amazing and and all the other policemen and and officers in the precinct all running out to see him on there. What the is this? They're in the shooting range and Of course he can't miss,

Sidey: can't miss, like he's Also, I don't think he was supposed to step on the bridge and look down at that.

Reegs: think you're supposed to step on the range and look down. You know, I think that's probably bad gun etiquette

Anyway, so we get pretty much a montage of,

Sidey: Oh, where they get to throw the car keys and he

Reegs: Yeah,

we do get that.

Sidey: And they had to spend a whole day doing that because He couldn't do

it, he couldn't do it in the outfit.

Reegs: well, same as they, you don't see him ever fully step out of the car because they could only ever get the legs on or the top on in

Dan: in, in the shooting range that Lewis is looking at in his previous partner and she sees that the gun spins about five or six times and goes into a little sort of pocket in his leg or something.

Um, and, and there you, you think, ah, it's the mind that there's still a connection between Murphy, the man and and Robocop

Sidey: Yeah. And we see that again when he is, he has to. Kind of plug himself in a bit like a ball. He has to He's got a thing in the back of his head, which he ports into

Reegs: eats baby food as well.

Sidey: Right didn't get that machine either because it just like crudely spits out.

I mean we can build a cyborg man But we can't build a nice dispensing thing for the fucking food nonsense but he has a nightmare. He has flashbacks of the moment. He was killed And he's got one of those nice. Machines that draws a graph that no one can actually interpret and it just goes fucking crazy while he's having this nightmare

Reegs: and just goes fucking crazy while he's having this nightmare. He stands up and

Cris: and he leaves. Yeah. He just stands up and leaves and then it's all, all this confusion.

Reegs: back to his house?

Cris: house? No, he goes to the, he sees that guy at the petrol station. Yeah.

Reegs: Ah,

Sidey: they, the first guy they ever like found in that unit.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: But yeah, you do get the nice introduction of him on his first patrol. Yeah. And there's, there's some sort of

crude thug holding up a

Reegs: Yeah, a

Sidey: yeah, a convenience store, you know, put all the money, open the safe.

I thought it was pretty lax security to have the safe in the middle of the shop,

Reegs: not on the floor. Yeah,

Sidey: And he comes in and no one ever shoots him in the face. So it's always bugged me about the film. But anyway, he's just shooting at Robocop as he enters.

Reegs: the

Sidey: And the guy's just showing him and he just walked straight up to him and bends the end of his gun

Dan: His gun looked like a real, like, peashooter thing, didn't it? It was but yeah, it's just ricocheting off his, his armour and he realises he's in trouble when he just

Sidey: He clotheslines him through a

Dan: Well, he absolutely trashes

Sidey: the

guy would be dead.

Dan: You know, and the people are like, oh, thanks, and I'm thinking, fucking hell, he's done, you best just given him the money with all the damage that's gone on, because he absolutely ruined it.

for vaping. I don't, I don't think you are, but he, he was happy with his job, and they seemed reasonably happy

Reegs: and they seemed reasonably happy enough.

I actually thought It was quite high, wasn't

Cris: I actually thought that he shot her in the fanny.

Dan: he's quite high, wasn't it that shot? It, It,

Cris: quite high, wasn't it, that shot?

Sidey: She was hugging him afterwards.

There's no sign of any trauma, like, it's

Dan: No, she was really happy.

Reegs: you, it's just great when you get him in the car headlights, you just see his shadow and he looks about 15 foot

Dan: Well, he says to her, doesn't he? You have been in a difficult situation. I will call it rape trauma. Yeah, and he's

Reegs: You've got a little bit Arnie

Dan: Yeah, it may have been.

Reegs: And we haven't really talked about the performance from Peter Weller because it is great and it's all because he's basically only got his lips to work with as a piece of acting and his body, his movements, which are sensational. And you must, I mean, I have stormed around the house pretending I'm Robocop, like turning my head and then moving the rest of my body as I'm sure

Sidey: it's one

Reegs: one of you has.

Sidey: I really concentrated on his movements actually, because in the past you've just been waiting for the violins and whatever, but this time I was like, he's really good at doing the robot.

Reegs: he's,

Dan: well, his brother, Paul's a really good musician as well, isn't he? ?

Sidey: doing the robot.

Reegs: So, yeah, this is when he gets his visions and goes after Eventually the gang that will lead him to

Sidey: Wait, but they do the drug bust, don't they?

Clarence Bodega goes to the local drug manufacturer Yeah. And is like, no, I'm fucking in charge now. And there's a sort of standoff and then Robocop busts in and takes the whole place down.

Reegs: A brilliant Like If you watch everybody, when they shoot, everybody grimaces like that, except for Robocop, his, like, face is completely Like, that must be quite hard to learn how to shoot without grimacing.

Sidey: Did you think that Clarence Bodega had some pretty rad like street wear wardrobe going on? Yes. Yeah, because he's like, if you, if you could put him in another film and like different wardrobe. He was like a nerdy,

Reegs: He would be in, like, Seinfeld, or,

Sidey: whereas in this, he's just so fucking

badass. . Yeah. yeah.

He's scary fucking dude.

Bodica has just divulged a load of information that implicates OCP.

Yeah. That this is actually a corrupt organization. Certainly from Dick's side of it. Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: And so,

Reegs: He's kind of officially, almost officially on the payroll of OCP reporting to Dick Jones.

And that's what he says when he's brought back to the police station for questioning, memorably flobbing a load of blood onto the onto the thing and saying, Oh, you know, just give me my fucking phone call. And they get him out of there though. Don't they? Pretty quickly. Dick Jones

Sidey: Bob, he's offed.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Bodega goes and pays him a visit. He's got a couple of hookers and a load of cocaine and he's having a right old time.

Reegs: Bitches leave. Do you remember that? When Bodega turns up to, to, to grenade him?

Sidey: puts, he's got a recorded message to put on his telly and it's Dick Jones saying you prick, you've got to go.

So he's executed with a

Reegs: like, confess via that video thing?

Because

Sidey: him to do

Reegs: Robocop's later going to remember it to

Sidey: Because it really does, like, rattle

through at pace. It's, there's no let up,

Reegs: but it takes its time when it needs to, for

instance, when

Sidey: well, he has a sadistically

Interlude where he goes home and reminisces about the good old times when he wasn't a Robocop.

Reegs: Yeah, I didn't really, there's not like, they explicitly say that there's barely anything of him left really in there, like a few clumps of

Sidey: Well, especially when you see him without his helmet on.

Reegs: Yeah, so what memories are there? Is he kind of making them up with his

Sidey: the right amount

Reegs: or? Yeah, exactly. Just the right amount to drive the plot forward. Cause he goes back to the home, there's still a like a world's greatest dad mug or something that's broken on the kitchen countertop. Just to like hammer it home about how broken he is.

Anyway, when

so he's eventually going to end up getting turned on by

P right?

when he goes to

Sidey: They sat an Ed 209 on him. Yeah. Yeah,

because,

Dan: which is the original robot that went into the boardroom and gunned everybody down. Now, that is up against

Sidey: because

he has

Reegs: all, he really, he outsmarts one really easily by he goes going downstairs.

Yeah.

Sidey: That's when you get the crying baby at 2 0 9. But it's, he needs to be killed because he has recorded evidence of Dick confession. That's why he needs to be off. So he will stop at nothing to get that done.

And then we get the Clarence Boer gang and they've got some new SUPERPOWERED rifle.

sort of like an RPG in the way it just shoot and everything

Reegs: up. Robocop escapes that assault by

Sidey: it's, Robocop escapes that assault by the police he's

rescued by

Lewis.

they drive off into guess what? Another industrial wasteland. That's where he unscrews his head and takes off. And we can see that even further gone than Darth Vader. I mean, that is far

Reegs: there's Parkour.

Sidey: looks Verhoeven and the makeup guy disagreed about showing him like that.

Reegs: Who thought what?

Sidey: Rob Botton was the makeup and visual effects guy and he said, no, it should be darker. We shouldn't see so much. It's going to look shit. And Behoven's like, no, we need to see everything.

I really want to like hammer home just how like fucked he is. To the point where they had a fucking like blazing row and Botton refused to ever work with this guy again. And it wasn't until when he saw the premier. He's like, Oh, it's really fucking

good.

Reegs: fucking good

Sidey: And he worked with him on his next film, which is Total Recall.

So they.

Got

Dan: Yeah. And he does look

Reegs: And it does look amazing as well when he takes it all off. And re-drill his

Dan: Isn't it great when they have those kind of differences though? But one guy, he can see it. He knows it's gonna work. He knows it's gonna happen. And it actually does. So, Well done. And Total

Cris: work, he knows it's gonna happen, it actually does. is

Sidey: is building up to the crescendo. They've got their new super high powered artillery and it's down to the

Reegs: Industrial Wasteland again to have another shootout.

Yeah, we don't need to describe it in great detail except for the part when Emil is driving a truck and is shot and then crashes into a thing that conveniently is just labeled toxic waste on it because that's, I think that's how they do it, and as he comes out is like just instantly. I love that cinematic trope of like, we understand that that is what will happen if you crash into toxic waste, you'll come out a melted, horrible freak.

Dan: just like

Sidey: I think they've

Reegs: then he gets

Sidey: condoms on his hand to like show the melted flesh and you can see his thumb with the bone of his thumb hanging through.

Reegs: his eye is kind of all like hanging down.

Sidey: And he looks fairly grotesque before this happens, to be honest, but now it is real bad. And he Comes face to face with, I think it's Leland Palmer, is it? Who's like, uuuh, and like pushes him in front of Clarence's car.

Dan: just freaked out by the, the horror of it all.

Yeah.

Reegs: Bodega just drives through him. It's like a, I dunno, like a

Dan: plastic put him out of his misery,

Reegs: thrown onto the window or something. It's horrible. Again, one of the bits that was like instantly seared into my consciousness from the first time I saw it.

And with everybody dead

Sidey: well, the, the guy whose dick we didn't see at the start, he's basically killed right at the start of this whole Yeah.

Altercation. Emil's gone. So we're left with Clarence and Leland Palmer. He's kind snuck into a little control tower thing for the crane. Yeah. Which is one of those magnetic things for picking up scrap metal. Lewis has apprehended Clarence Boker. Yeah. But in a bit of a flummox, he's able to get the upper hand and shoots her. Robocop, he's in a pretty bad state. He's been in a bad way for a

Reegs: little while. He walks across

Sidey: he he walks across and

Watch his face.

Leland Palmer drops this enormous, like, fucking, I don't know, 100 tons or whatever of fucking scrap metal and steel girders on top of him. And he's kind of, like, prone under here, just, he's still visible, and Clarence makes the mistake of thinking that it's game over.

And gets right all up in Robocop's grill, but he's got this spike hand, which is how he like R2D2's into

Reegs: The hand that was blown off

Sidey: Yeah, how he interfaces with machinery and He just whacks it into

Reegs: his

Sidey: tent? No, it's his neck, And then you just see the massive amount of blood fall

Reegs: Oh, that's right. And it focuses on Robocop on the front, but in the back, he's

Sidey: see it spray.

Reegs: just like flying out. It's brilliant.

Sidey: So he's a goner. Yeah. And Lewis has been able to shoot up to the control tower, I think, with his super rifle

Reegs: where sometimes it's a super rifle, like when it needs to blow up an entire crane, but other times when

Sidey: just a gun. it's just

Dan: a

super gun

Reegs: so, with everybody dead, Robocop returns to OCP to confront Dick Jones and provide that evidence to the boardroom, and they're all there, the boardroom guys, and he,

Sidey: he's got, he's got, what we haven't said is he's got three prime directives. Yes. And

Reegs: Serve the public trust, uphold the law

Sidey: And he can't do anything against an employee

Reegs: The secret fourth

Sidey: Yeah and how do they get around it? They fire him.

Reegs: Yeah, Dick Jones is fired by the old man.

Sidey: and he says, thank you, and shoves him out the fucking window. And,

Reegs: And yeah, he falls out the window and he's got, for just for a second, he's got comically long arms. Did you notice?

As he goes, oh, I'll have to have a look because it really is very, we should watch as soon as we finish because it's very, very funny. His arms are comically

Dan: Go, go, go.

Reegs: a second as a result of a big problem with the lens that was used in the special effect. Yeah, so. Do watch out for that, it's very good.

And the chairman says something like, Oh, you know, good job, what's your name officer? And he turns and looks at him and says Murphy. And, da da da da da, da da da. It's like

Dan: never really died.

Reegs: 10 movie still, right?

Sidey: Yes. More than ten. Although, disappointing metrics, because I always look at that. Some

Dan: some people not liking it,

Sidey: Yeah, they're right, but they're not as sp

They're

not as strong as Gymnastics Academy. Haha.

Yeah. Absolutely unreal. I still think it looked fucking great. It really, really, really stood up.

Dan: I'd watch this again, even though we've already reviewed it. It's still a film that I remember enjoying watching. I did catch little clips of it just to bring me up to date with some of the bits we were going to talk about.

And it really whetted my appetite for more of it. They did a Robocop 2, didn't

Sidey: I know

it's like a slight, I

know it's gonna say slight diminishing returns in the sequence, but I like both, I think, to this, please don't say great, but

Reegs: They did a TV series as well for

Sidey: An animated, yeah.

Dan: I think this will be back at some stage. I think

Sidey: No, right, so I tried, I put on the remake.

Reegs: remake.

We're probably gonna do it on the pod at some point because it'll

Sidey: only way I watch it, because I put it on and I couldn't even get to the bit where he becomes Robocop where it's that bad.

Dan: everybody saw

Sidey: The trouble

is, if you have seen, if you, if you grew up with this one, it's gonna be shit, right? If you probably, if you, if you haven't seen this one, you probably might enjoy, I guess, the second, the remake, but not for this is

Reegs: one, you probably might enjoy it, I guess, the second the remake,

Dan: Well, it is, it is gonna probably go that way in the future. Robots will, will be part of law enforcement or you know, there'll be some kind of regulatory body that enforces certain laws and there'll be computers and there'll be whatever.

So, it's one of those where I think. You know, it will be life into imitating art. We

Sidey: imitating art. But budget for it was 13 million dollars.

How do you think it

fared at the

Dan: fared? Well, it

Sidey: Because this would have been an R rated

Dan: this was a hit, maybe yeah, the fact that it was You know, a little bit, but I watched it. I didn't pay for it, but I watched it,

Sidey: I watched it, That's not gonna

Reegs: have helped.

Cris: well

Dan: the time it would have been on TV or something, you know, a few years after it was out of the cinema or something.

But

Sidey: Yeah, okay. So, do you think it

Dan: I made money. Of course, he made money. This

Cris: I don't think so.

Reegs: Yeah, go on, it did.

Sidey: made 53 million. I

Dan: There you go.

Sidey: I thought it's a much better movie than that.

Reegs: Yeah,

Cris: Really?

Dan: is.

that up until now or back in

Sidey: Up until I just read it.

Dan: that's right. Okay. So that's fairly recent. Yeah.

Sidey: I, I, right. So there was a lad that lived in the flats opposite where I grew up and I watched it.

His gaff. I was 10 years. I was still at primary school. And the fact that my daughter would be watching it now at the same age, think what the fuck. There's no way a 10-year-old should be watching this movie. It's fucking outrageous.

Reegs: But Paul Verhoeven, he made this one, and he made Starship

Sidey: same vibe with the adverts and all that.

yeah, Well building.

Reegs: he made, what was the other one that he did? Total Recall. I mean, that's three, like, absolute brilliant sci fi movies. It's not your jam sci fi, so what do you think of this?

Cris: I, I'm not a fan.

Reegs: Of Robocop!

Cris: Yeah, I know. Especially because I watched, I remember watching it as a kid. And I watched the series, like the animated series first. And then I watched the movie and I wasn't impressed with it then. I wasn't impressed with it now. I was, I thought it was terribly long.

Sidey: It's short, it's too short. I'd say it's too short, if

Dan: short. Chris remains unimpressed. It's

Cris: It was too long. And I mean, obviously I watched it now with obviously with my 2024 cap on, although knowing I can say the, the way he moves, there's a few bits that are really good, but the lines and the, the laughing, I don't know, it's not for

Sidey: me.

I'll buy that for a dollar. I there

Cris: even that black guy when he shows this woman his dick and then he pushes her and then ha ha I don't know, the laughing, it's all, it just seems,

Sidey: seems.

And we never, we never did get to see his dick either. Yeah,

Cris: yeah I know

Reegs: was the real crime.

Cris: But it just seems, a lot of it is really really fake and out of, I know it's like utopia and it's a wasteland and all that But I don't know, I wasn't, I wouldn't say it's terrible

Dan: say it's terrible, but they could have just done it. Well, I disagree. I think the performance

Reegs: of it Well, I don't know, it's um Do

you

Dan: to hear a really good bit of

Sidey: you want to hear a really good bit of trivia that's probably not true?

Sacramento, a robbery suspect, fled into a darkened movie theater to escape the pursuing police.

He became so engrossed in this movie, that was on screen, that he failed to notice the police. And they'd evacuated all the other people from the theater. And when the lights came on, it was just him and the police there. Sounds, to me,

Reegs: That

Dan: I, I wonder if,

Sidey: that is on IMDB if you want

Dan: I wonder if the, the police were so into it as well that he was able to escape afterwards.

Sidey: Dead or Alive, I bet they said that when they rested. This is a solid gold for me,

Reegs: It was as good as I remembered it, which is great.

Sidey: is

great.

Dan: I definitely want to rewatch.

Cris: Yeah. Strongly recommend.