Midweek Mention... Jackie Brown

Jackie Brown

Sidey: This is the the start of Tarantino week

Dan: and we're all here.

Sidey: brought to us by the very special guest.

Dan: Yeah. It feels that way.

Sidey: Andre

Cris: It's more a guest appearance rather than a

Dan: Yeah. He used to be, used to be one of us, didn't he?

Reegs: Yeah.

Pete: Pro probably the soundest one of us, I reckon.

Yeah, yeah,

Cris: And how the mighty have fallen.

Pete: exactly right. I'm just a busy guy, Chris, you know this. But I have I have watched some films and let's, we can talk about them

Sidey: Well, let's talk about Jackie Brown. Yeah. 'cause you've been on a Tarantino sort of

Pete: Yeah, I was, yeah. Basically, I didn't know if it was up in the air whether I was gonna lose my job or not.

So I pretty much down tools and just started watching films which is like, that's the sort of like, you know, rallying that,

Sidey: And that's different. That's different to when your job is not under threat

Pete: No, no, no. I just watch maybe one or two films a

Dan: as, as a doctor, it's quite worrying,

Pete: It is, yeah.

Especially when I'm doing it in theater. But yeah, no, so I went on a bit of a Tarantino binge fest. And Jackie Brown was a film I hadn't seen for a while. It just doesn't get talked about or revisited a great deal. But we can talk about whether we think it's

Sidey: well it followed

Pete: decent film.

Reservoir

Sidey: dogs and pop fiction.

So there was a high bar. People had expectations, I guess.

Reegs: Well for many, this is their favorite. Jackie Brown.

Sidey: It's their favorite. Samuel l Jackson's favorite

Jackie

Dan: film.

Reegs: Yeah, it's their favorite Jackie Brown film. Their favorite Tarantino film as well.

Pete: Excellent.

Yeah, I mean, and it's, and it's it's interesting in that it sort of, it differs, I think, I think it differs quite a bit from what had gone before and what then sort of came to pass afterwards. In terms of like Tarantino fair, there's, there's a lot of things that, you know, there is like stock in trade type stuff, but obviously it's, it's linear for starters.

Mostly, linear.

Sidey: Well, one of

Reegs: it's slower as well,

Pete: Yes. Yeah.

Sidey: It's takes

Reegs: his time.

Sidey: adaptation of a Elmore Leonard

Reegs: Yeah. Rum Punch,

Sidey: is not something he would normally do. No. The normally original,

Reegs: but he likes to take on genre films. And then, so this is his like, take on the Blacksploitation genre.

So yeah,

Pete: And it's it's a strong start.

Reegs: Yeah, it's a great

Sidey: Pam gr kind of like hovering through a,

Reegs: It's, it's a homage to the graduate as she goes past those like mosaic like tiles and it's playing across 10th Street. Bobby Womack

Sidey: Hundred 10th. Yeah. The soundtrack is off the chart in this film.

Pete: Yeah.

Reegs: He, he's always got great soundtracks. Is this my favorite?

I dunno. It is brilliant.

Sidey: I saw him on Gonzo. I dunno if you remember that show. It was on MTV and it was Zane Low and the Brown Couch, and he'd have various guests on, and once he had Tarantino on and he said, oh, your music's always great. And the film's like, what sort of stuff are you listening to?

He's like, I really like Maroon five. And you're like, oh, okay. Someone else is picking all the music for these movies.

Dan: well, well, I just bought the the Bross album Push.

Sidey: Yeah. And strong recommend.

Dan: it's, well, I would say the Tarantino one's better than

Pete: that. Okay.

Reegs: Yeah, I would probably agree. Yeah, I would probably agree. So yeah, it's she, it, it, the credits come up with the usual yellow Tarantino font and they tell you it's a, a based on a book or whatever.

And then we get, she runs for the plane, doesn't she?

Pete: being Pam Greer. Pam playing

Reegs: Jackie Brown, and she's a flight attendant as we'll. Come to find out what we see. She's dressed in the, the uniform? Yeah. And she runs to the plane and then boards the passengers, and then we get a. Smash, cut to chicks who love guns.

Pete: Yeah.

Reegs: And we're in Hermosa Beach, California with Samuel Jacksons, Odell, Robbie and Robert De Niros. Louie. There's sort of two aging criminals like they've sort of fading into mediocrity. Odell Hass got this ridiculous, like bald long thing. And like long wispy beard thing.

Pete: Yeah. Like the, both the beard and, and the hair are sort of in ponytails.

Yeah. Yeah, but he carries it off. He still carries it off. It is ridiculous.

Reegs: his idea. Samuel L's

Sidey: he's

Pete: his own sort of, he likes those kle,

Sidey: Yeah, he's got a lot of that in

Pete: cap things. He's wearing his own

Sidey: and he's kind of giving it the big one about each weapon that's on screen and explaining about how he has sold these to various criminal organizations. He's trying to get Louis in on this or it's unclear exactly what he's doing, but it's kind of like a sales pitch to bring him on board his enterprise somehow.

Reegs: Yeah. And also it will become clearer I think a little bit later in this conversation. Louis's just come back from a four year stretch in prison and he looks like a man out of touch and out of time.

And and this is De Niro playing a weird mumbly character.

Pete: energy, isn't it? Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah. And he's kind of dim. So yeah, and it's six minutes in, we get a shot of Bridget Funder's feet that goes on for a long time. And a few shots

Sidey: I find this weird that this carries on.

Reegs: So, and this is the character Melanie, who's odells live-in Stoner White girlfriend.

He puts up with her shit because she's white basically.

Pete: It's his surfer chick.

Dan: But, but the feet thing's just Tarantino. 'cause he loves feet, isn't

Reegs: it?

Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. But then I just think when you are an actress going in and he is saying, I wanna see your feet, he'd be like, he's gonna Wang to this shit.

And also this is

Dan: known then

Sidey: I know. But then it's, this is Miramax, right?

Reegs: I know Harvey

Sidey: Weinstein and the pit and the casting cap stuff. It's just fucking

Pete: a lingering shot on someone's feet is

Sidey: but what else is going on? It's

Pete: not sort of immediately incarcerating material,

Sidey: it's fucking weird, isn't it?

If you,

Cris: Especially in

Pete: look, we know

Reegs: he's,

Pete: had this, I've had this conversation. We know a guy who's got a really severe, like se, like serious foot fetish and, and we're still friends with him, so you can't be like, oh, Tarantino's a dick.

But this, you know,

Sidey: he hasn't leveraged that to, you know,

if

Pete: he, had that sort of platform, he absolutely would.

I

Sidey: I think, I think feet are the most ugly. Body

part

Pete: feel like we're going off topic here. Well, in that scene, the best bit about that scene is, is Samuel Jackson's line about when you absolutely, positively

Sidey: That's the famous every

Pete: motherfucker in the room.

Except,

most

Sidey: That's the ak Yeah. The plot kind of kicks into gear when

Reegs: There's a phone call, isn't there? Yeah. Because there's been a passive aggressive thing between Melanie and Odell about who's supposed to answer the phone. It's always for him.

Sidey: you. It's

Reegs: second time it rings, it's somebody calling about his con, his, somebody who works for him, Beaumont, who's been caught by the police.

Yeah. And it'll find this, this will end up with Odell and Louis making their way down to. Max Cherry's bail bond business to borrow or to get 10 K from Max deposited as a bo as a bail bond. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah, the, the concern here is that Beaumont has got loose lips and

Reegs: and he's not, the doing time type, I

Sidey: He will do whatever it takes to avoid doing time, which means ratting out on Adele and all that

Cris: Yeah. And he also wants to go to, through the bail bonds guy because if he had shows up with $10,000 in cash, they'll ask, where do you get

Pete: Lots of questions.

But he pays for, he pays for the bond in cash.

Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah.

Yeah. And then it goes, it turns up at Beaumont's Gaff is right. Call me. I've just. You know, hoodwinks him into this arrangement where we're gonna, we need to go and see these Korean guys. Yeah. And we are going to do this gun deal. But you need to hide in the boot. And you're like, Hmm. Yeah.

Reegs: He's like, the plan is for you.

He, he bris him with fried chicken, I think, and

Pete: Yeah, he does. Yeah, he does. But he also leverages the fact he's like, listen, I didn't, I didn't want to. Yeah, you don't wanna get in the boot. I didn't want to pay like $10,000 to get your ass outta prison, but I did it. So, you know, like you gotta do his a favor here.

Reegs: And he gives him a shotgun, an unloaded one, but he's supposed to jump out. And then we get a great scene where he gets into the back of the car and then the camera stays where it is and well just rises slightly as we see him drive back round to behind the house,

Pete: That's the other side of the block, isn't it? Yeah.

And

Reegs: just execute him yeah, two

Pete: Yeah. You just see, you don't see it, but you just hear two shots and yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. Now we

Pete: Beaumont's a gone. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. Now we're gonna see Jackie coming into the airport. Yeah. Into the parking lot, I think it is. And she's walking through and she's apprehended by someone. And they say, we just wanna have a look in the bag.

And it's, they're not feds are they? They're A-D-F-A-D-F, and one of them is Michael Keaton's character.

Reegs: I had completely forgotten he was in this

Cris: Alcohol, tobacco and Firearms.

Sidey: Yeah, he is

Pete: Ray Nicolette

Sidey: and he was in another film Out of Sight, which is another Elmore Leonard movie. I like that a bit trivia.

They it is clear that Beaumont has already like, fingered her law and she is so, he was the sort of bagman of the guns, but, jackie Brown is the courier to bring the money back through. 'cause this is all going down in Mexico. Yeah. Yeah. And so she's bringing back 50 grand a time. Only this time they're waiting for her.

And I said, can we look in your bag? And she's like, well, fuck. Have I got any choice? No. But there's something else in there as well, which

Reegs: find a little baggie of coke, don't they? Which she is surprised

Pete: Yeah.

I, I'm still having watched this a couple of times now. I'm still not sure. Is that, was that planted? Like, I didn't know if like the co like the a TF made it a bit

Cris: Yeah.

Reegs: what I thought

Cris: in the bag, he looks in the bag kind of down, he's like, oh w can, can I count the money again? And

Sidey: yeah, I think, I

Reegs: And then he, he comes up with a little bag of Coke. I thought

Pete: I, yeah. And it

Reegs: but I wasn't

Cris: Yeah. I dunno. Anyway,

Sidey: Yeah. So she's in trouble now. And she's gonna require another bail bond. And and you're thinking right? Well, Adele, he's got a form for executing people once he's 'em

Pete: doesn't like loose ends, does he?

So.

Sidey: This is, this is a problem for her.

Cris: And he did show the body of Beaumont to Louie as well. At one point. He's like, oh, come outside. I wanna show you something. While he's watching a show,

Sidey: he just looks at, it's like, oh yeah,

Pete: Yeah.

Cris: this lady performing an absolute

Sidey: I bet Dan was loving that as well. Yeah,

Cris: I know

Reegs: doing baby, baby love, isn't she? Simone,

Sidey: of a certain

Reegs: one of his girlfriends who's gonna end up in the plot as well.

Pete: Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think that's again, just to, to show de Niro's character that, you know, like, I'm, I'm happy jab be on board, but don't fuck around 'cause this is what happens.

Cris: Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. So Max Cherry is gonna meet Jackie Brown. Yeah. Here. And it might as well be playing. Why do Berg suddenly appear?

Because he is immediately taken with her way.

Reegs: Well, she, he sees her silhouette doesn't, she's walking and it she looks beautiful. She looks great. Yeah. She's a fine woman. She's a foxy woman. And he is like, instantly like smitten.

Cris: I

found that strange though, because I, I've never been to pick anyone up from prison, but I would imagine that man or woman going outta prison, you're not gonna look good.

Well,

Sidey: Well, she says that don't, 'cause he goes, well, let's go for a drink. You know, we need to talk about this, blah, blah, blah. And she says, well, what's the lighting like? And he is like, well, I don't know. And she's like, well look, I fucking look like shit. I've been in prison and I smell, you know, and he's like, okay, well

Pete: Yeah. I, I think she's only been held for,

Sidey: it's 24 hours, I

Pete: Yeah. 24 hours or something along those lines. But I mean, we, we've already worked out that that the a TF guys are, I. Is it a TF? Yeah, because that, that's the petrol station over here as well. But yeah, they've worked out so not the guys from the petrol station, but they, but like the, yeah. Michael Keaton the, they are interested in, in Odell.

They, they know that

Cris: Without naming

Pete: without naming, without naming him, but they, they kind of know who, who she, what she's doing, who she's doing it

Sidey: Yeah.

Pete: And then there's sort of, suggestions that they'll be back in touch

Sidey: Yeah. It's not enough to just go and pick him up. They need to see him with guns.

They need, you know, see the whole thing go down. So, we're gonna get into a whole bluffing and double bluffing and double crossing type plot.

Reegs: Playing different, you know, the different parties against each other. So, and, and the whole time essentially you're just rooting for, for Jackie to come out with it.

Pete: Yeah. I mean, so what, what you get first of all is, is max drops Jackie at home.

Odell comes round

Sidey: She's seen, she's seen that he's got a gun in

Pete: a gut. Yeah. She's seen that Max had a gun in his glove box and has, and has lifted that. So by the

Reegs: which we get revealed in a split screen that it happens. Yeah. As Odell is breaking into her apartment, we get a shot just of the empty glove box, don't we? Yeah. And yeah, he. What does he say? He is like, oh, he says, is that what I think it is?

What do you think it is? I think it's a gun pressed up against my dick. Yeah.

Pete: Yeah. Because he's just basically got in to strangle her.

Sidey: Yeah, he is. Got his gloves on. Yeah. In the dark.

Pete: He's got his gloves on and then he, he tries like, you know, yeah.

Laughing it off like I wasn't gonna strangle you and all of that, but like, they both know exactly what's going on. Yeah.

Reegs: But she's shown herself as a cool customer not

Pete: exactly. Yeah. She hasn't,

Reegs: And we have already heard a little bit the guys from the petrol station talked about her past, didn't they? Because she fucked up a drug.

Dan: Yeah, It's already quite confusing. Like you have to keep your eye on the ball with all the plot.

And

Reegs: Yeah. It

doesn't help with me calling the petrol station

Dan: but no, I knew who you meant that helped me.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah.

So, but

Reegs: yeah, she, she had been busted, so that's why she's working

Pete: She's got previous and so,

Reegs: bringing drugs in and stuff. So she's on a sort of last chance saloon with all this stuff that's happening.

Pete: Yeah. Well, she, she concocts a a,

Sidey: well, Adele's main mission.

Is he's got, so he's, he's a dangerous guy, but this isn't like, you know, massive kingpin. He's just got half a million left to get back over the border. Yeah. And then he's basically thinks he can be out of the game. Then he's got enough money he can just live comfortably. So she's gonna work a plan.

Jackie Brown wants to work the plan where she can fuck him over, get Max involved, give him a cut. then high

tail it with the rest of the money

Reegs: at keeping all the parties happy, giving Odell to the cops. Yeah. And yeah,

Pete: Yeah. Well, not keeping Odell happy, but she, she's

Reegs: stringing him along

Sidey: that

Pete: gonna bring in like a cut. She will tell the, like, these, these a TF guys that she's gonna bring in, do a couple of, like dummy runs. Yeah. And then, and then they'll get him, like, make sure that it all plays out the way she says and all of this sort of stuff.

But she's telling Del at the same time, I'm, I'm telling them that I'm gonna do this. Yeah. So that I can bring your money in and on one of the d I'll do one of like 20 K, 50 K, whatever it is, and then I'll do the, the 500 K. Then I'll tell them that I'll bring the rest in by which time you've already got your money and I want a cut of it.

Sidey: Yeah. You can't second screen this movie, you need to be concentrating 'cause there's a, like a dummy drop. The first run that they do is in the food court of the mall. She's got the bag.

She's gonna swap it with Charnel Yeah. Or something. Her name is Shada. Shada Shada. So there's, there's an identical carry bag. And Max just happens to be watching this all go down and the bag gets moved to another person and he is just watching it like, right, I fucking got you. Yeah. Because Odell is still like fucking things around.

Weird that you can't trust that guy. Yeah. Seems like such a good egg. Yeah.

Reegs: So that does leave it like you get momentarily lost, don't they? 'cause the police follow the wrong

Sidey: That's a It is, yeah. It's like a

Cris: Simone, Simone gets the actual bag with money and Sharonda just eats and leaves with

Sidey: the one with the actual money, she then fucking hightails it with the 10 grand.

And this is what fucks everything up. Because now Bridgette Fonda's character,

Reegs: I think you find that out just after she goes over to confront Odell, didn't she? They have this big arguing.

Pete: Well, yeah. 'cause she, she's not happy that he changed.

He

Reegs: plan.

Yeah,

Pete: did the double switcheroo which wasn't part of the plan. And she's like, listen, I've got the, I've got heat on me here. So do you, let's not fuck around with this. Let's do that. As we say, they're going to, so eventually they set up like the, what is going to be the main one. And like you say, it's, it's Melanie,

Sidey: Yeah, Melanie. She's at the hunt because she's not been getting involved.

They haven't let her get involved. Yeah. And now finally she gets brought in at the big moment where the big sort of cash drop is gonna go down. Yeah.

Pete: And he, and he says that like, he Odell says, knows that he can't trust her 'cause she's fucked. Robert De Niro at this stage.

Like a really, a really like quick, horrible,

Reegs: literally says three minutes later, doesn't it? And

Pete: And he's kind of like intimating too. I doubt, ah, look, are you sure you can trust this girl and stuff? And she's, and he's like, no, I, I, I can't trust her, but she's predictable. Like

her.

Yeah. I know her. Like I know I can't trust her, but I know her.

Sidey: So,

this bit, when you say it's linear, it is still linear, but this is like vantage point where we see the, the drop go down from three different people's point of view.

Cris: And it just tells you the

Reegs: adds you a little bit of different information to it.

Yeah.

Sidey: But Melanie is just fucking annoying and just wants to rush things and not kind of,

Reegs: well, she takes ages at first. She's getting high in the bathroom when Louie wants to leave, and then she's fucking about with the radio and being a dick to him on

Sidey: the Yeah.

He's like, just stand here. Just fucking, you know, just wait here. And

Reegs: and he's getting really agitated.

Pete: And he, and he, she actually wants to do some shopping, like in the shopping mall as well.

But then he, obviously he clocks. 'cause Max is, you know, we haven't seen his part play out just yet, but you know that he's involved. So, de Niro Lou, isn't it? Louie

Sidey: But he doesn't put two and twos together.

Pete: he doesn't at the time, but he knows, obviously he's the, the bail bondsman guy. 'cause he has met him and that, but he sees him and, and Max kind of gives him a little nod and that only sort of like, you know, plays into it afterward after the event sort of thing.

But yeah, they, they do the, the switch in the

Sidey: yeah.

Jackie Brown moves the money around in the bags leaves the half a million in the, in the dressing room, gives the fake bag out and it will

Pete: Yeah. And

Sidey: We see that then play out from few different viewpoints.

Pete: the, the cops still think that the, the, the switch is going down in the food court like before.

So this is like a pres swap before the swap. Yeah. And then you get the, the, the amazing, I've forgotten about this, when I was watching this at the amazing car park

Sidey: scene. Oh God. Just like, what are

Reegs: it's a really long take as well. You follow him through the car park

out

Pete: out the shopping mall into the car park.

She's just so oh.

Sidey: lost the car.

Pete: Oh, is it? Oh, is it over here? Like, oh you fucking loser. I can't believe you've lost the car. And he's like telling her to shut up. Shut up. And you, even the second time I didn't see it coming and he just turns around and

Reegs: Well, 'cause he says not another word. And she finally goes, okay. And it's that literally her saying Okay to not another word is what gets her executed.

Sidey: Yeah, it is, you know, all that. She'd been pissing him off for fucking agent, and you're just like, please stop, please stop. And she doesn't, so she gets

Reegs: So she's gone? Yeah.

Sidey: And

Pete: well he, he then goes and meets Adele. So in the sort of linear version, he then goes and meets

Sidey: Yeah,

Pete: Adele and and he's saying like, where's Melanie?

It's like, ah, you know, like. Like, she's been really irritated and he was like, I, yeah. I shot her. And he's like, going, well, is she dead? Oh, I dunno. Like, I'm not sure. Like, yeah, no, no, she's dead. She's dead like that. And eventually again, he'd like kills Lewis as well. Like just to

Sidey: well, because then he discovers, he discovers that the money's not there, which send him into a fucking rage. Yeah. 'cause it it's in

Pete: full of books. Yeah. And

Sidey: And so, yeah, Lewis has gotta go. He's killed.

Cris: but then he actually sits for a moment and thinks after he gets told that Max was there, he is like.

It was Jackie. Jackie, yeah. That's who he was. Because he puts two and three together and all

Sidey: that.

Yeah. Well Max gets in touch with him, doesn't he? Yeah, because he goes, he basically goes into hiding

Cris: at Sharon's place.

Sidey: Max's business partner's good at finding people who don't

Reegs: It's tiny lister, isn't it?

Yeah.

Sidey: Doesn't wanna be found. He finds him, and he gets a message to him saying, look, Jackie wants to meet. She's still planning on giving you all the money, blah, blah, blah. They set up this parlay. Yeah,

Pete: Yeah. He, he plays it off as that. She wasn't sure that it would go to like, that the a TF guys would be onto her and so on, and that it wasn't safe. So she just

Cris: and also we, what we didn't say is that the way she plays it is she runs from the shop where she was, were buying a suit, whether the swap before the swap happened and runs to, to meet the A TF guys and acts all damsel in

Sidey: She look good in that suit, didn't she?

Reegs: Yeah.

Pete: Yeah. Yeah. And she, she pretends that it was Melanie, like, stole the money off her and just took the whole lot and, and ran. And so, yeah,

Cris: because that's where, when I was, I've seen this before, a long time ago, but I was like, what is the actual plan here? Why is she running? Well, this is not,

Reegs: yeah.

The first time you see it through that sequence, you're

Cris: is a bit like, what? Why is she running? And because she acts so desperate and she, oh, you change.

Oh, it is like,

Sidey: I thought they bought it quite like, easily as well. Her story. Yeah. Agreed. I'm a bit like, come on. They're not gonna just let her go anyway. They do. There's a, I,

Pete: don't know. This is the bit where I think that maybe offscreen, this is where she's already struck a deal with the a TF guys. It's like, no, I'll still get, I'll still

Reegs: get him. Yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely.

Pete: you with like with the money, with a gun, all of this sort of stuff like that. But it, it,

Reegs: and as far as they know there's only 50,000 at play.

Yeah. So that's really crucial as well. 'cause she's like, I can do this Right under the noses of the cops. Yeah. By give so I can give them what they want. Yeah. And get

Sidey: So the, the way,

Reegs: the way.

Sidey: where's the rendezvous? Going down

Pete: at the bail bond

Cris: bail bonds. At the bail bonds. Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: ba. So she's sat at the desk and I think Adele's got. Max, isn't he? And as he, as he comes in, the lights are off. And she just shouts. He's got a gun, he's got a gun and a rain ette comes in and just fucking guns him down.

Yeah. And we just see him lying on the floor, looking up with blood coming out everywhere.

Reegs: I, I assumed that had been pre-planned as well.

Yeah. That they'd said, because if you say that he's got a gun, they can shoot the cops. So.

Cris: Well, yeah, of course she didn't want to, or, or Delta speak to the police.

Sidey: he would give shit away.

Cris: So then it was like, well no, it was 500 grand rather than whatever.

So if he's dead, the cops got, they wanted, and this is what Max was saying in the initial meeting, he is like, these guys don't care about the money.

that money

Reegs: They, they care about the guns.

Cris: care about the guns and they care. That's their, this is the A TF. They'll put the money in the

Sidey: evidence room

Cris: don't care

Sidey: about

1. So,

Reegs: yeah.

Pete: yeah.

Reegs: happy.

Pete: Everyone is happy. Apart from, yeah. Max. It's sad at the end,

Reegs: I, yeah.

Pete: the,

Sidey: do you think he was gonna follow her?

Reegs: Yeah. Every time he did. Yeah. Yeah. They have a little kiss, don't they?

Pete: Yeah. There's, there's clearly, I

Sidey: She's going off to Spain with their cash and it's like, you can come with me. And he is like, nah.

Reegs: And he has talked throughout the movie about wanting to get out. One of the movie's main themes is about aging and getting out. And you know, it's, it's a surprise and it just leaves it ambiguous because as she walks off towards the end, doesn't he start walking towards her slightly and then, you know, you think Is he, go on Max, please get

Sidey: out. yeah,

Pete: maybe he did a few

Sidey: later in my, in the version of the movie, in my head, he carries on and he does follow her.

Reegs: does go and finally follow her. I hope so. Yeah. But maybe, I mean, life doesn't always work out like that either,

Sidey: No, it doesn't.

Reegs: I know, isn't it? I know Dan Yeah's complicated, isn't it?

Yeah.

Sidey: So there's a lot of like Tarantino. Kind of trademarks.

Cris: Also, the movie ends with across

Reegs: hundred 10th Street again. Yeah.

Cris: So it starts and finishes with the

Pete: same Yeah, it's her driving off to the airport, isn't

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah. But there's lot of Tarantino trademarks in this. I would

Pete: there, there are, but they, they not overtly. So I wouldn't say it's a, it is a, it is quite an understate, like compared if you watched it in isolation you know, obviously there's still, you know, a lot of the normal themes is guns, there's drugs, there's

Reegs: the dialogue amongst, you know, the dialogue

Pete: and everything like

that.

So there is some violence and, and stuff, but it's, it's, it's kind of like, you know, pg compared

Sidey: yeah, I think what's happened with him in the movies that have gone on, like the violence has got outta control. I still enjoy it. And some of the dialogue I think gets a bit pretentious, but it's a bit more paired back here.

Reegs: And he gets, when he does that, when he strips it back, he gets brilliant performances from literally everybody.

'cause like apart from De Niro's character is a bit weird or he gets more interesting as the movie goes on. But like, Samuel Jackson's brilliant, Pam GRE's brilliant. Robert Force is brilliant. Like they're all great.

Pete: you know, reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction are fucking violent movies, so I don't, and I know the

Sidey: other No, but no like DJ Gauge Darwin, it's just crazy cool.

Pete: of course. But they're still like, you know, very violent movies and, and much even stronger like content and themes and stuff like this is, and for me it is an outlier in, in his like body of work.

But I think it's still a fucking brilliant film. But I guess the reason, you know, if you put a Tarantino movie on that you've already seen before. You, you do it because you know you're gonna, like, you're gonna laugh at the funny bits, you're gonna laugh at some of the fucking horrible bits as well, you know, that there's just iconic scenes in every single one and so on.

Whereas like, this doesn't have for me anywhere near as much of that stuff, but it's still like a, a, a really strong

Sidey: and it's known for kind of giving people's careers when they're in the doldrums a boost. Yeah. Pam Greer had screen tested for pulp Fiction for Patricia Ike's character.

Yeah. He said, no, not right for that, but definitely

Reegs: Michael Kane was up for the Robert Foster

Sidey: character, Was he, was he Robert Foster? Didn't even have an agent or anything. And he had auditioned for one of the characters in Reservoir Dogs, I think. And he said, no, but I, you know, I will definitely come back for you, you know, so he is good like that.

Reegs: It's full of his usual stuff where all of his references and influences are up there on the screen as well from the like little clips on telly, the music choices that we talked about that quotes from other movies, that sort

Pete: with Guns Reel. Is that

Sidey: a real Yes, it is. Yeah,

Pete: It is amazing

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: Is that actually, was that

Pete: I, I didn't know

Sidey: I dunno if it's called Chicks with Guns, but they do have those sort of really like super fetishized videos that Yeah.

Wow.

Pete: is amazing.

That's,

Cris: yeah,

Sidey: if they're barefoot, then Tarantino's like all

Cris: really into it.

Sidey: If you don't like all, 'cause a lot of people don't like his use of the N word is obviously like.

Reegs: 38 times in this one. 110 in Django Unchained.

Cris: I was gonna say it's definitely a lot to softer than other films

that.

Sidey: Lee is not a fan of it. I'll take that.

Dan: No,

Pete: You almost like become a bit desensitized like to it in, in his. In his works. But yeah. And in this one

Reegs: it's something about Samuel L. Jackson saying it in

Pete: and it's, it's more so l Jackson saying it than anyone else. And you imagine like, and his kind, his character is exactly the sort of character that would just be

Sidey: dropping

Pete: it left, right and

Sidey: And a lot of this is in Compton as well. Yeah, yeah.

Pete: Well

Dan: Well if you like Tarantino films of course then you're gonna have to join us for our next episode 'cause we're gonna be talking a lot about

Sidey: Tar Tarantino Fest, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. This one is a strong recommend. It

Reegs: is a

strong

Pete: is for me. Yeah.

Dan: Strong

Cris: recommend.