Midweek Mention... Hollow Man

Hollow Man

Sidey: I saw Hollow Man at the cinema on a

Dan: On a

Reegs: a date as well. And it's such a super horny movie as well, so it's kind

put

Dan: newbie as well. it was a

Sidey: It was a guy called Alison.

Reegs: Oh.

Allison, if you're listening,

Dan: Deborah Sue. So

Sidey: 100 percent won't be listening.

Cris: how you fingered Saidi.

Sidey: yeah, exactly.

Reegs: Did it go well, the

Sidey: She hollowed me out

Dan: out. Oh.

Cris: What does that mean?

Oh, nice. I

was hoping you'd say that, but. What does that mean? What? Ah, hollowed you. Oh, right.

Sidey: It's just a joke about the film you see this multiple times weeks, is

Reegs: seen this quite a lot,

Sidey: Okay, cool. I don't think I've seen it since the time of cinema

Reegs: of cinema.

Dan: it

Sidey: Yeah, the one that got away.

Cris: Yeah.

Alisa.

Dan: cinema. I remember

Cris: I remember seeing

it as a Sorry, sorry, sorry. I remember seeing it as a child, but now that I've read the kind of plot and that, I've definitely seen this.

I don't think I'll be able to tell you much more than I've seen

Sidey: it. Strong goral content.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: Is it? Yeah. Okay. Right. Alright. Right. I like that.

Reegs: Yeah.

And this is Paul Verhoeven. Yeah. So, that might pique your interest a little bit, although this is

Dan: been

Reegs: his mate

Dan: star Trek.

What else didn't he do?

Sidey: He did do Robocop, Starship Troopers, total recall, all that sort of good stuff. Yeah,

Reegs: all those very good movies. And it updates the classic HG Wells story, the sort of invisible man to make everyone super horny and super stupid. And I think we start with like letters under a microscope or something like quite a long credit scene and then a lab rat.

And it gets released into a maze and then suddenly snatched up by something invisible that crunches down on it and when it, the blood comes out reveals that there's like an invisible kind of monkey, I think it was in a container. And so we already know somebody's developed a serum to make things.

Invisible that already exists in this universe. But brilliant genius, egotistical sociopath with the God complex, Sebastian crane. Is it, is that his name? Kane? He's like, he's doing that super sort of nineties or was this two

Sidey: was 2000, Yeah,

Reegs: thing of like, he's working on a problem which involves like a 3d model on a computer that he's like, Tapping things into and then he's

Dan: a game of asteroids.

Reegs: exactly. Yeah. And he suddenly has a brainwave like all scientific inspiration and

Sidey: a eureka moment.

Dan: this, is, is that the bakeoff? Is Kane Bakeoff? Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: Cain, Kevin Bacon. Yeah, he's immediately revealed to be an absolute sleazeball from the very set. Like, you know, I think one of the first things he does is ogle the beautiful women who lives in the apartment opposite as she

Dan: straightaway we hate him.

Or maybe is this straight off the nineties? That's cool.

Reegs: he's

just sleazy. Everybody this like really super horny movie. Everybody's fucking all the time and all that stuff like and there's a load of sexual abuse and stuff.

Sidey: it's a bit

Reegs: that sort. Yeah, it's really rapey as well. So must have been an

Sidey: It was r rated

Dan: Right pirate stuff

Reegs: Yeah, so he's had this brainwave, he can finally stabilize it, he can turn the monkey back from being invisible to visible, which is like solving the big problem.

And he phones his ex girlfriend Elizabeth Shue and tells her, wait, get all the gang together, let's go and experiment on the monkey. And she puts the phone down and it's revealed that she's in a secret relationship with lab partner Matt Josh Brolin the Goonies. And yeah, so anyway, the gang will gather back at HQ, which is being funded by the military, these experiments, to test it on a gorilla, which I think Brolin accidentally lets an invisible angry gorilla Out of the this is the, the level this movie is operating on.

He lets the invisible angry gorilla out. Cause there's this thing already that the longer you're invisible, the sort of more you mentally decay,

Dan: Oh, right.

Reegs: already observed in the animals. And so, yeah, Isabel, the angry gorilla is, is loose and there's this like macho dick measuring contest between Josh Brolin and Kevin Bacon as they sort of tranquilize.

Yeah, and how do the gorilla is then more mentally fragile, or

Sidey: don't they?

Dan: And how do they know that the gorilla is then more mentally fragile or is it

Reegs: then more mentally fragile, or Oh, okay.

Dan: Okay.

Reegs: So they inject him with the gorilla, don't they? The invisible gorilla. They like bound its arm up and they inject him with something that's like the color of a fruit

Sidey: see it go through.

Reegs: Yeah. And it

like reassembles the gorilla like from the capillaries and blood

Dan: from the capillaries of blood vessels.

Reegs: well, it's really quite

Dan: effects.

Looks like

Sidey: nominated effects. Really? Lost Out to Gladiator. Oh, okay. So, you know, good, then. It looks good.

Reegs: Yeah, it does look, I think it still looks okay even 24 years later.

But anyway, the gorilla flatlines during the experience. We don't know whether he experiences traumatic

Sidey: experiences traumatic

Reegs: people.

Sidey: it, Would have been interesting to explore that.

Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah, but

anyway, they defib it and they bring it back and the gorilla's fine, isn't it? So hooray, hooray, we've done it. We've solved the intractable problem. We go, Kevin Bacon's now like, we've got to go and tell the military because they're our bosses sort of thing that now we can turn a gorilla visible and invisible again.

Sidey: but he doesn't do that he lies and he wants to go straight to human tests

human Trials.

Dan: Has he got any humans to test on?

Wow. Okay. And even knowing the risks.

Yeah. He, he goes for it. Yeah.

Reegs: He

is yeah absolutely and constantly making inappropriate jokes like he does on the way to the procedure because pretty quickly it gets into the procedure to have him go invisible which involves his dick at multiple points doesn't it once he flashes the two girls as he drops his things and they there's like a little titillation giggle about that and later you'll see his cock on a thermal imaging camera which is

Sidey: Great, great date movie. Great date movie.

Dan: Yeah. Okay. Perfect.

Reegs: So, anyway, they inject him with this dye. This time it's like an ultraviolety type color to turn you invisible. And it looks really painful, the procedure. It's like all kinds of spasming and stuff, but he does disappear again using that good visual effects. So, you know, sort of half an hour, 40 minutes in.

And then, like, as soon as he wakes up, almost, he's, like, up to shenanigans, basically, like, pranking people, he sexually assaults this sort of

Well, first of all, it's the vet who works there, she's, like, asleep, and he sort of sneaks out the room. And, like, starts playing with it, like, unbuttons her blouse and plays with her tits and stuff and you see, like, the invisible hand and whatever, sexually assaults her, like, almost seconds after

Dan: So going invisible

Reegs: pretty

Sidey: that was, that was his main motivation for doing this, was to go

Dan: imagine, imagine.

Reegs: And then in some like truly awful sexual politics at the time. She's like, she's not really sure whether she's been molested and you know, her female colleague says straight away. Oh, no, I wouldn't I don't believe that he wouldn't do that.

and

then she's like, oh, I shouldn't have brought it up. It's like, oh my God. I was like cringing really badly.

Sidey: really

Reegs: Anyway, so he does get all even more rapey rapey once

Sidey: soon didn't get away with it, right?

So that's the problem, is he knows what he can, What he can get away

Dan: But did, does anybody else know that he's turned himself invisible at this

Reegs: Yeah, the rest of them do and they're sort of high fiving this amazing scientific achievement because as they sort of try to point out it's

Dan: wondering who's feeding tits.

Reegs: They're all well, yeah, but she wasn't sure whether she was asleep or you know, they pass it off.

There's no real evidence because you can't see him Dan because he's invisible and is allowed to walk around wearing no clothes all the time. That's They've got these like thermal imaging Things that you can see him,

Dan: Okay. So you get that

Sidey: But he, he sneaks into his So he's not supposed to leave, is he? Because, you know, you can't See what he's up to, but he does leave, he goes home, he goes to his, he sneaks into his

Reegs: but he does leave, he goes home, he goes to his mate, he sneaks into

Dan: So he's kind of on the run in there he's trying to escape

Reegs: Well, no, not yet.

He's still sort of part of the crew working on the problem. He's in and out. They can't prove anything. He's, they've got this video loop as well. That'll come into play of like, they can see him on a thermal imaging camera, but then he'll go and steal some bits to like, change the loop feed of the camera so he can sneak out and do shit.

So, and yeah, so he's got this latex thing. It looks really cool. And it also is the hollow part of

Sidey: So you can see through it that there's nothing there. Do you know what I mean? a ghostly suit walking around but the the sexual stuff carries on he does go out It goes to his super super hot neighbor's rona mitra. Do you remember her?

I think she was like a lara croft model at the time He watches her shower. Then he goes into her bedroom and he rapes her. It is actually the full rape

Reegs: Rape.

Dan: Invisible raped and obviously Did she know that he is she part of the crew that knows he be

Reegs: No, she, she's just a random next door neighbour that happens to be the one he was perving on the window out

Dan: Ah, right,

Reegs: like, he's like, who do I, you know, I don't have to.

Dan: as I get invisible, I'm going around there. That's where he was, yeah,

Reegs: Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah.

It's really, it's really horrible, that scene. Like the way, and the camera is like really voyeuristic as well, because it's like sneaks in round her and that sort of stuff, puts you in his shoes, really.

Anyway, they go, they do go back. Isn't it? They basically just straight away twig like, right. He's snapped. He's

Sidey: Well, he find

he finds out that Elizabeth's shoe and Thanos having A sexual relationship. And that enrages him. That's what breaks him, I

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: And he's gonna go completely doolally.

Reegs: And they, they threatened because they know all this shit. They know that he's been sneaking out. They know that he doctored the feed on the video camera. So they're going to go and tell his boss, William Devane from Rolling Thunder that he you know, has been testing on himself because they've kept this all secret from the And that he's gone rogue and he's gonna, they're gonna whistle blow, blow the whole thing open. So invisible bacon, isn't going to take that. He goes and kills William Devane in a sequence, mainly device device. So you can see him having smoke blown in his face from a big fat cigar when he's and then wrestling him underwater.

It looks quite cool. He drowns him, and then he goes back to the facility, and like, everybody's there, and he's basically, his plan is, I'll kill everybody, like, nobody else knows about this

Dan: Right, yeah,

Reegs: just gonna lock the, I'm gonna change all the security codes, and lock us all in here, I'm just gonna pick them all off one by one, and then I'll just be Invisible Rape Man for the rest of my life.

Dan: And how'd that go for him then?

Reegs: Oh, well, there's a lot of shenanigans. We didn't even talk about Greg Gruberg from Heroes and Lost, who's in there. He's gonna get a real horrible death.

Dan: So people are getting picked off

Reegs: It goes quite slashy, you know, he's like, and it's just a,

Dan: boy. Did they ever choose the wrong guy to to go in for that

Reegs: Didn't they?

Dan: Yeah

Reegs: Didn't they? Yeah. And it's a good way to show off all the different visual effects. You see him in the like, you know, a fire extinguisher set on him and in a sprinkler and on fire and all that stuff. I don't think there's any need to, it's like a big climax where loads of people die. It ends up with them in an elevator, just Brolin and Elizabeth Shue.

Left in an elevator right at the end with him like coming after her after multiple like oh, he's dead. No, he's not.

Sidey: they blow up the whole facility, don't

Reegs: Yeah, the whole facility has been blown up. Everything's like, you know, and then eventually there's like, there's like a thing where right at the end, it's his rapey tendencies is getting he's like, oh, just a kiss for one last You know for old time's sake and she does and as she does it she gives him the kiss like softens on him and as she does she lets go of the elevator thing and he plunges to his death dies sort of thing and that's it end of the movie as soon as they go up the elevator shaft they're out and the credits roll as the you know emergency services turn up

Sidey: yeah

Dan: Okay, yeah, it's a lot more Horror and slasher kind of sounding than I thought this was

Reegs: Hmm. Yeah. At first you think it's all like a metaphor, the hollow man thing, but no, it's kind of

Dan: just thought they'd be doing some better stuff if you're invisible

Reegs: you just, well, it just, he's like, Verhoeven's just like, if you were invisible, basically you'd be a rapist

Sidey: Not like

Cris: don't know what a

Reegs: year old boy has ever thought about.

But

Dan: did they play into the fact that The, it made the gorillas angry and it's changed him somehow, the

Reegs: They didn't tell us if the gorilla's got horny, so we don't know. The

thing

Sidey: is, a gorilla is a gorilla.

Dan: It's gonna

get

Sidey: It's got a kind of, you know, a tendency to maybe get angry, but what they do is they show you from the get go that Kevin Bacon is basically a dick

Reegs: Yeah, exactly. And

Dan: they've just basically given it to the wrong

Sidey: more of a dick and he gets more violent and angry, but essentially was just a dick anyway.

Reegs: Yeah, exactly. There's no kind of journey for the

Sidey: character. That being said, I did enjoy

Reegs: That being said, I did enjoy it. I mean, there's, there's like, she, Elizabeth Shue, twice, MacGyver's things, like, once she defibs a

Sidey: a door

Reegs: door thing, electromagnet, and the other time she rigs a flamethrower. And the special effects, yeah, you know, they're 25 years old, so they're not amazing, but they're still inventive, what they do with it.

So, I quite enjoyed this.

Sidey: Verhoeven wasn't thrilled with it looking back on his career. He said that

It's the

first movie that I wished I hadn't made. It made money and all that but it's not really me anymore.

Anyone could have done it. I don't think many people could have made Robocop or maybe Starship Troopers but Hollow Man, I thought there might have been twenty directors in Hollywood who've who could have done that. I felt depressed with myself.

Dan: Wow.

Cris: High

Sidey: a strong recommend from him.

Dan: But

yourself?

Sidey: I remember enjoying this when I watched it at the multiplex.

Dan: well, you know, we're in the back there, was you?

Reegs: was it this, oh you

Sidey: I didn't, I didn't really watch it for this, but I'm just recalling it from memory. Painful.

Dan: film you've ever

Cris: worth a watch.

Sidey: Yeah, so it's all right. It's just worth a watch. It's definitely worth a

Reegs: Yeah, strong

Dan: Okay, well, maybe I just do that.

Cris: There you go.