Midweek Mention... A Bronx Tale

A Bronx Tale

Sidey: This is the start of I guess a New York themed week. Is

Cris: Yes it is,

Dan: York, New

Cris: what I've been thinking about. I thought, I thought it's actually quite an easy question.

The way I've thought about it, I thought of a topic. Let's say, I don't know, shoes or a city or something. And I think, what kind of movie would I associate that with? And then I can choose two of them.

And to be fair, with New York it was fairly simple.

Dan: Okay,

Cris: There's so many acting movies, but the I think I mentioned it once on the pod that About a Bronx tale and there was someone here that said they've not watched it.

Sidey: I hadn't watched it.

Cris: Oh, it must have been

Sidey: Yeah, it must be first

Dan: a first timer. Yeah. Yeah, this

Cris: And I thought right if there's anyone that hasn't watched this movie, which I've always really liked spoiler alert but I thought Might as well watch it and then and then attach it attach it to obviously a new york themed week

Sidey: Yeah, well, it's a movie. This came after a play version, Broadway production jazz wrote that and then did the screenplay for this and it's De Niro's debut directorial feature.

Dan: And what was really interesting about this as well is the, was it Chaz, what's his name? Chaz Palminieri. He couldn't get a part. You know, he, he was an actor and he couldn't find the part that was good for him.

So, taking advice from his dad, you know, you want a job worth doing, do it yourself. And he said that actually that scene, where it kind of gets, is, is one of the early scenes here, where Young C sees Sonny shoot, The, the guy over a car park in space outta respect, you know, that was actually a scene that he lived himself.

He said that he was that kid and his dad sort of like pulled him off when he had seen something similar when he was growing up and it was an image. He said, I didn't know what to do, but had that scene. It was always something that came back to me in my mind. So I started to write about that. I bought some paper.

I started writing five minutes. He said a year later I had the whole

Sidey: yeah,

So that, that is what kicks the plot of the movie off. I mean, it's sort of like, I had to check the dates actually between Goodfellows and this, 'cause I wasn't sure which one, because it is him as a kid.

Eulogizing about the wise guys and the people that he sees and

Cris: how it starts, the movie, you know, it just

Sidey: and he's going on about and he sees him in the bar and he's forbidden from going in there, but he occasionally will sneak in there and take a

Cris: and they also give you, it kind of gives you a story, a short story into the Italian New York American culture where, oh, someone likes bananas, Joey Bananas, someone is Johnny

Dan: Love the nicknames, like Mumbles, Johnny

Sidey: the Mersh.

Cris: Whisper is the most, yeah, it's quite funny and how people end up getting that. That's just the way the Italian American

Sidey: community What was the guy with the wig?

Somebody Toupee. Tony Toupee or something, yeah.

Dan: There was one guy, like, a little bit late, who was just so unlucky that they were, you know, so they just,

oh, he can't, yeah, he can't

Cris: mush,

Sidey: that was, that was the real Moosh apparently, he was the real guy and they got him to play himself

Dan: play himself. Oh, really?

Sidey: film. And the first day it pissed down and they couldn't do anything like, oh he's fucking jinxed the film.

Anyway, so we get this insight into these guys who, you know, wise guys, the mob, the mafia, whatever.

But then see what's because he's collateral. He's got this sort of slightly odd name. And we see his life with his father, who's just a straight up guy, hardworking bus driving De Niro. And he'll ride him on the bus.

And they'll talk about baseball. He fucking loves baseball. He loves Mickey Mantle and the Yankees. And his dad will drop him off where they live. And he'll just quickly trot across the street and go up to the apartment. And that's his life. But the thing that kicks everything off is that he sees Sonny basically fucking execute someone in broad daylight in the middle of the street over what is perceived to be an argument, a fairly innocuous argument about parking space.

Dan: And a little bit later on that he's brought in to See sonny. And he has this really kind of cool conversation where he's just a young boy Sat at the the table of a mafia

Cris: Yeah, but before that we need to get the reason

Sidey: Yeah, there's a crucial bit because his dad whips him away, doesn't he? His dad's like, fuck, he's just, this is ruining the shit now.

Because he's going to be caught between the police cops

Dan: And yeah the goodies

Sidey: And sure enough, the cops knock on the door and they know That he saw it and they want him to finger the guy that's done it. So they've got them all like, because they just live in this bar, don't they? On the, on the corner of the

Cris: Yes.

Sidey: And they've got all the Kawhi's guys lined up and he's, then this cop's just like, was it him? And the kids just, but you get the whole walking down the stairs, the billeter and you, and you as a viewer know, if he fucking says, you know, who, who did it?

Cris: know, who did it, it's trouble.

Sidey: And he's going down the line and you're, and I was watching and thinking, just, please just say no, just say no.

And every, every one that he looks at, he says, no, it wasn't him. No, it wasn't him. And he gets to Sonny and Sonny eyeballs him a bit and it takes a little bit longer. And he just looks at him and says, no, it wasn't him. And you're like, oh,

Cris: him. and you're like, oh, thank

Dan: And then he has him as kind of a guest into his on his table in the back of some little Yeah,

Cris: the back of the bar where, where they, where he has his table and

Dan: mafias where he has his table and all that. Well no, he says he's upset about the baseball.

Cris: well, no, he says he's upset about the

Dan: of upset

Cris: I'm upset that the Yankees lost or whatever. And he just straight, this guy just gives him. Don't give a

Dan: Don't give a fuck about baseball. What do they care about? You. You gotta

Cris: It's like, you know, sort perversely feels indebted

Sidey: But he, he sort of perversely feels indebted to the kid because the kids, he's, this guy's obviously been inside before we find out later. He doesn't want to fucking go back. He's done him a solid. So he's like, you know, I'll look out for you. And as we get to learn about Sonny, he's quite a complicated character because yes, he will kill someone in the street, but he also kind of, he kind of is there for the community.

Yeah. In a sort of perverse, sort of twisted way, I think he does give a shit. He really looks out for this kid and it gets quite complicated in terms of he's not just a straight up black and white bad guy. I

Dan: No, and I watched an interview on a mob boss called Michael Francesi, who was, yeah, yeah,

Cris: He used to be for the Gambino family.

Dan: that's right. Yeah, yeah. And he was saying that this is one of his favorites because of the author.

Authenticity of the conversation, not just the violence and things like that, but he said just that we had a laugh. We had nicknames for people. We did, you know, there was so much more about the life that we enjoyed that this film kind of shows at at different times as well. So,

Sidey: So they offer De Niro, the bus driver, a job for 150 bucks a week. And straight away,

Dan: which is big

Sidey: his missus is like, Well, you know, I don't

Cris: because initially she has principles.

She's like, oh, so what do they want? So, well, I turned it down. She's like,

What?

Dan: Imagine What?

Sidey: principles were gone,

Cris: We could do with that kind of money.

Dan: that kind of

Sidey: wasn't clear what exactly they're offering him to be a driver

Cris: to run numbers.

Sidey: Okay. But he's De Niro is arrow straight. He's just like no I respect you but you know, just leave us out of it. Leave us out of it. We don't want anything to do with it. So anyway, see he gets the kind of job. It is like Henry Hill and

Dan: Hill. It is, yeah. It's good fellas stuff

Sidey: You know, he's just helping out in getting coffees and whatever for the guys in the bar And then he's involved in there shooting throwing dice and he's he's he's he's lucky at that I think he says he throws some like seven

Cris: seven Times the same

Sidey: Seven seven things that wins sunny a fucking load of money And suddenly gives him a hundred dollar tip and he just looks and goes that all

Cris: looks at

Sidey: like, wow, you got some balls and he like respects me more.

Is that okay? It gives him another hundred and then You De Niro comes home one day and it's Lorenzo, isn't it?

Cris: Yes,

Sidey: and he and The mother's there and she's been cleaning his room and found this fucking wad of money and I think he's eight or whatever the hell

Where have you got this money?

It's fairly obvious because they keep catching him hanging around there um Uh, Lorenzo marches down there and says, look, throws the money on the table. He's quite ballsy. We don't

Dan: Yeah. De Niro to it, to the Lorenzo, to the mob boss. He is because he's pissed off that they've taken advantage of his, his young son and given him money. And he said, look, I didn't want this. This is not to be with my son and everything.

But Sonny has started to really get an affection and a

Sidey: Yeah. 'cause he doesn't have any kids and this is kinda like a surrogate thing going

Dan: Absolutely. So he's almost like he's, he's Developing love for these two kind of authority figures. One is father. Who's the straight arrow kind of bus driver and other this charismatic mob boss

Cris: Who drives a convertible and

Dan: everybody

Sidey: i've got the stat on that if you want

Dan: and yeah passes, You know

Buy in me They,

they either, you know, give him respect or or they're scared of him or whatever

Sidey: Sonny's car is a 68 Cadillac DeVille convertible 68, 36, 7 and it was a nice man becomes quite key in the plot

Cris: towards

Sidey: After that confrontation, Lorenzo, he actually hits the, he's gives him a slap. Doesn't he? Cause the kids just like fighting and won't listen. And he says, look, no one, no one likes that guy.

They're just scared of him. Real man, real fucking heroes. They work every day. They do it fucking by the book and they work hard and that's yours. And you don't ever have to fucking answer to anyone. And he just struggling to get his message

Dan: can't get his head around it. Yeah.

Sidey: this guy's got pretty much everything there in a.

apartment.

All right. They did dinner on the table and stuff, but it's not glamorous lifestyle. And he starts to sort of view the, the bus and all that. And his dad's job is it's like symbolic of like being a

Cris: Well, they have

Sidey: the working man's a chump or something. He keeps saying

Cris: yeah, the, the working. But he's got that thing where at one point his dad has like, he, oh, I don't feel like steak. And his dad's like, I work hard to put steak on the table once a week. And he's like, well, if I go down there, they have steak whenever they want.

And they have this, and they have, it's like a, it's such a,

Dan: Well, he's getting this advice from his dad, and, and from the boss from Sonny, and he's getting this conflicting,

Sidey: He just says after the 600 bucks.

He says It didn't matter. I would just sneak out there every time every time though back with 10 i'd sneak in there So it hasn't worked and then I think we could we just cut eight years down the

Cris: down the line. Yes, when he's already

Dan: down the line.

Yes, when he's already a teenager. Did you

Sidey: Did you see?

Because they have a line about the biggest crime always wasted talent. Did you see how? The young c turned out Rough.

Cris: Really? The actor. They

Dan: the, you know, I've seen the photograph. Yeah.

Yeah.

Cris: really, he's really cute in the movie. He's like a

Dan: didn't do any research. I just saw a photograph and I thought, God, is that that guy?

Sidey: he's like, whoa. It's still working and stuff, but it's like, okay.

Anyway so we've got the older one now. And he's got his own little crew and they've managed to hustle enough money. They've got their own little

Dan: Deuces Wild, isn't it? Deuces Wild, little social club. And they're all in the wise guy gear, but,

Sidey: There's been actually, when there was, when there was the younger actor, there's been a few examples where they've been like pretty overtly racist. This is their neighborhood. It's an Italian neighborhood. A couple of black guys come through on the school bus and they just hurl.

Racial insults at them and throw stuff at

Cris: and

Dan: And now the street over, or the block over, is becoming a much more African American community along there. And

Sidey: where they're social is it seems to be a bit of a cut through and you've got guys coming through. First of all, some guys come through in a in a car and one of his mates, one of his cronies.

Well, they're not. He's still, he's kind of on the fence about it because he has got this moral stuff from his dad. So, he's still on the fence. Yeah. And they're shouting all these racial slurs. And

Cris: to be fair, he, he, from the, from the start, he's like, they've done nothing to me.

Sidey: not all in on

Cris: I'm

Dan: not all in. And

Sidey: Because he's got the connection with Sonny. They're like, wow.

Dan: of these.

Sidey: some of these.

some of the guys start just cycling through and they really are like, look, this is fucking not on.

This is our

Cris: are they here? And he's like, what does it bother you? No, it doesn't bother me, you know, but throughout all this, I have to say, we, I do like one of them where he, one of the lines that now that he's older, he sees this kid that owes him 20. And, and Sonny throughout, throughout the movie gives him these little.

quotes and these little, you know, information and advice. And, and even to a point, he's like, I don't want you to be like me. You're going to go to school. You got, you got these two educations, you got this education and you go to school education. We have to go to school. He's like, you don't, you don't want to be me.

I'm not, I'm not teaching you to be like me and all

Sidey: It says, it says, there's only three things you can do when you're inside. It's caused trouble. Work out or I think he's going to say wank or something like that. And he says, well, what'd you do? And he says, and he just goes, well, I used to read and he just picks another one. And then he tells him about, he used to read like Machiavelli and stuff like

that.

Dan: trying to educate

Cris: But then he tells him about the guy with the 20. He's like, oh. He tries to fight that, to run after that guy, beat him up. And he's like, come here. He's like, no. Come here. He

Dan: He owes 20. And he goes, wait a minute. I'm going to give you a life lesson now.

Cris: Yeah, and he's like, oh. Do you Do you like that guy? No, I don't even like him.

Sidey: No, I fucking hate him.

Cris: fucking hate

Dan: he goes, whoa, whoa, then,

Cris: then, think of it like this. For twenty dollars, you're never gonna see that guy again. And even better, he's gonna avoid you like the plague.

So you, you got off cheap. You don't even like the guy. So you, for twenty quid, and to be fair, for twenty dollars, for me that's a life lesson that I took from that movie.

Sidey: And he does as well, because he says it to his mate about 10 bucks later on, and he literally repeats it. The guy's like, that fucking guy owes me 10. He goes, listen, it just cost you 10 to never see him again.

Cris: again. And his mate's still a dick about it. But his mate is still a dick about it.

Sidey: doesn't get it, they're idiots.

Yeah, I so

Cris: hate him. I still want to break his skull. And you're like, yeah, you don't.

You don't get it, mate.

Sidey: And Sonny tells him, he says, those guys are fucking idiots. You're better than them. They're just going to end up dead or in prison. You need, you're better than that.

Cris: anyway, now kind of the

Sidey: He goes, he's still going to school, isn't he? And he, he meets a black girl.

He sees her and she's dead cute. She, she clocks him

Cris: Well there in the he's in the in his dad's bus

Sidey: That's right. She's, first, he sees on the bus, then he sees her

Cris: dad kind of calls him to is that kind of calls him to to go on a ride with him because he's got Tickets to

Sidey: they're gonna get the, the baseball, I think

Cris: either the baseball or the boxing.

I'm not really sure

Sidey: the boxing be either. But he, he makes eye contact with her.

Cris: kind of Yeah, she's very pretty.

Sidey: she's very pretty

and she, they, they kind of catch each other's eye and she gives him a little smile and he's straight away thinking you're thinking, well, how's this going to go down with all your mates?

So he clocks out not too long after he sees her again and she smiles at him and she's there with her two friends and they leave and she's just waiting to outside the school gates to be picked up and he sort of goes over to her.

Cris: of goes over to her. She's still quite

Sidey: And has a chat and he kind of bumbles through a few lines and embarrass himself a little bit, but she's still quite keen on him.

Cris: with him and they

Sidey: And he offers to walk her back.

Dan: It's so cute.

It's so

Sidey: she's okay with, and, and they get there. Far enough. But then there's a load of black guys outside just on the curb outside their bar or whatever.

They're basically the exact equivalent of what they've

Cris: basically

Sidey: But in their

Cris: equivalent of what

Dan: This is it, they get to

Sidey: And I don't know if they just recognise him or they're just like

Cris: know if they just recognize it or they're just like It's

Sidey: he says II can't walk you the rest of the way but um you know II'll see you later.

You know and she's like, yeah, okay. Don't worry. It's fine for me. I can walk the rest and blah blah blah. So they're getting on great but then is the real fight. This is when the guys cycle through past their social club and one of his mates thinks Mario is real hothead.

Cris: Yeah, he's a

Sidey: he's, he's just a fucking prick.

Cris: But I think, sorry, I think just before that is the scene with the bikers.

Dan: Ah,

Sidey: Ah, oh,

Cris: Where

Sonny, where Sonny and his boys, they have, it's again, Italian neighbourhood, the bikers

Sidey: He's trying to talk, he's in a restaurant, isn't he?

Cris: trying to give him another life lesson.

Sidey: He's talking, and he just hears this fucking really loud Harley Davidson get revved at some lights.

And he just fucking looks at it as if it's a personal affront to like, interrupting his conversation. But he's like, okay, that's annoying, but whatever. And then he sees them stop, and they go into their bar.

Dan: And it's like The Hell's Angels, there's like eight of them.

They park their Harleys outside and they walk in and they start giving the bomb and a bit of

Sidey: It's Tony Toupet, isn't

Dan: and Yeah.

Sidey: like, no, no, you can't

Dan: He's like, no, you can't go and fuck around with Tony Tope. Like, you know? And they're going, oh, look, look, okay, look. We just want a drink. And then he's come in then Sonny at this point.

And he said, you just wanna drink? And they like, yeah, you just wanna drink. And we.

Okay, serve him a drink, like.

Sidey: they just spray the beers all over Tony

Dan: And they just, they just spray the beers all over the bar and so Sonny goes

Sidey: they obviously think they're untouchable. Yeah. No one messes with these 10

Dan: messes with these kind of hard

Cris: gangs, whatever, yeah,

Dan: kind of denim

Cris: And then he, he kinda, he has that famous line where he's like, I'm gonna ask yous to leave. And he's like,

Dan: And they do this, and then he goes to the front

Sidey: now you can't leave.

Dan: it, and he goes, Now you can't leave, and you get this, this kind of commentary from C

Cris: Yeah. We got the, the fourth door or

Dan: Yeah, yeah,

Sidey: Well, the,

Dan: breaks the

Sidey: back door to the bar opens and all the guys just come through, baseball bats and all the rest of it.

Dan: that kind of thing, go, These guys, the blood just drained out their faces. They're just, they couldn't believe what they were going, you know, what was happening now because this didn't happen to them.

Cris: Everyone was scared,

Dan: the door and wanted to be in with them. Suddenly they were there and they realized they were in a lot of trouble and yeah. They pile in with baseball

Sidey: bats. They just get the living shit.

Dan: They've got a gun as well. Just to weld a bit of

Cris: pistol whips someone.

Sidey: Yeah, they get the living shit

Cris: So, so, after,

Dan: all their

bikes and

Cris: all this, so after all this, that's when, two days later, or the next day, or whatever Collagero's gang, all his balance, his mates, they start beating up these black guys.

Sidey: Yeah, it's a completely it's it's completely racially motivated, unprovoked

Cris: unprovoked. It's the

Sidey: through. It's just going about his day, cycling through the, you know, Sonny's one with his career is like horrendously violent but they they provoked it. Like, you know, he said to have a drink. Yeah, yeah. They kicked off. Like, it was It's still it was completely over the top But there was you know, there was a spark that ignited the flame there This one is just they're just fucking idiots.

It's mario and a few others They keep talking to talk but you realize they're just like cheap thugs. They're not They don't they don't get it, you know um And see he's just trying to talk them down like no and he he sort of pulls marioff one of the guys And my missus said oh god, it's gonna be It's gonna be her fucking brother And he's he's got the guy pinned to the guy so don't fight i'm trying to help you i'm

Cris: I'm not gonna hurt

Sidey: not hurting You just like get up and run off or something, you know, and then the other guy comes over I think there's a few more kicks to the head and

it's fucking fairly fairly brutal

Dan: of course.

Sidey: And when he then goes to meet her

Dan: She's

Sidey: next time she says

Cris: they were meant to go to the cinema, and Sonny gives him the car.

He's like, you find, and he gets the lesson is if she's the one, she's gonna open the door for you. She's gonna unlock the door. And also he's like, so I like this black girl. And he's like, so what? And he's like, yeah, but my mates. Fuck your maze. They're idiots. They're all going to end up in prison or dead.

If you really like her, you need to make sure she's one of the greats. Whatever gives them this

Dan: I love this. So he goes, one of the greats, how do I know? He goes, yeah, you'll only get three. And all the rest of he goes, but one of the Sure fire ways is spot.

And listen to this

Cris: lady, you need to dump her. If she doesn't do this,

Dan: she doesn't do this, if she doesn't do this. So when you open the car door to, to let her into the seat in the passenger seat and you step around the back of the car to go to your door, if she hasn't stretched over. And opened your side of the door, then forget about her.

Forget about her. Like, you know, but if, if she does, she's one of the greats. And you'll only get like three of these. Like, and as he goes, oh, it's a little bit later on, isn't it? But, I mean, when that

Sidey: does happen. Yeah. But, but first of all, we have, and

he goes, he goes to get her and she comes over and says, you know, you fucking asshole.

My brother was in your neighborhood, you guys kicked the ship. And he lies at first says, I wasn't there. I wasn't there. And so he recognized you and she calls him over and he says, yeah. It was him. He

Cris: He beat me

Sidey: beat me up. And you're like, and he confessed. He said, no, I was there, but I tried to help him.

And you're like, well, you fucked it by lying, you know, but it was, it was always going to be a

Cris: calls them,

Sidey: then, yeah, he, I, I found this.

It was just a shock because he drops the n word, like, it's shocking.

Dan: Because you

Sidey: and she gives him, yeah, she gives him, he's obviously like, he's freaking out or whatever. It's totally inexcusable.

She she has this look on her face of just like pure disappointment and she's super upset. And he has to

Dan: I was upset.

Sidey: Yeah, so he has to go off.

It drives the car back drops it off and suddenly it's like, what's happening? So I don't want to talk about it and he f s off and then suddenly he goes off to do something.

And then he basically, it just varies quickly afterwards. He comes back to the, I think it's to the, Social. And pins see up against the wall and says, where'd you leave my car? What would be doing with my car? And he's like totally taken aback. 'cause he is never seen this side, not to him. remember. he sees him driving the car, right? he is the car.

Cris: he's never seen this. Fell off with his bird or whatever he's fell off to his family. Now he's outside and Sonny comes off. He's like, Oh, there was a device that was meant to explode in my car, but it didn't, did you put it, what did you go with?

Oh, it's just like, it's

Sidey: it's full on. Yeah. I never thought he was going to actually like

Cris: just after his dad tells him that that guy doesn't care about you, you're driving his car around, blah, blah, blah, like all that. And

Dan: he shows how much he,

does care. 'cause he gets so angry. 'cause of the danger

Sidey: him.

Yeah, the guys

Cris: he just gets pinned against the wall and they all, and

Sidey: does, how does the, then God cut this

Cris: He just says like,

Sidey: crew then they get the Molotov cocktails and stuff and they're going to go

Cris: after, after the thing, he's like, Sonny, that's the thing. He's like, I would never do that to you. You're like a father to me. Why would I ever do that to you? And then he just kind of runs away, kind of cries. And then Sonny's like, I'll leave him alone. It's fine. And then his mates just pull around the

Sidey: I'll get in

Cris: and he's like, yeah, get in.

Sidey: going down around the block and they're they've

tooled up and

Cris: Because meanwhile their social club got attacked with eggs or

Sidey: They egged their gaff, so they're gonna one up them by Molotov cocktailing theirs. So they, they On their way down there and you're thinking no don't fucking do it He's In

the back seat like in between

Cris: the middle as well

Sidey: and he's thinking to himself. I can't just get out I can't lose face in front of all this lot and he's kind of like stuck there And they pull up at some lights and sonny just bangs on the windows get out Fucking get out and they they jump up and he's like fucking shut up

Cris: he's like fucking shut the fuck up

Dan: you get.

Cris: out and he says

Dan: Sit down.

Sidey: So he gets out and he says to Sonny, That device must have been in there when I drove the car. Do you not fucking think of that? It could have been me and her that got fucking blown up. And Sonny's like, yeah, fuck.

Dan: yeah

Sidey: So he's had a narrow escape there. Now these boys, they go down to the black

Cris: club, they like march

Sidey: They light, light it up, Molotovs through the window, the whole lot. But they're fucking idiots.

Cris: And one of the bottle doesn't break.

Sidey: them doesn't break, so the guy picks it up and throws it back at them, goes in the car, catches fire.

Cris: And he still

Sidey: got a load at his feet. And I thought this was really well filmed actually.

You can see them trying to get down the road, but they're all on fire, you know. And then boom, the whole thing goes up. But.

See a twigs, you know, he'd remembered and he runs down there with we should remember him with Jane

Cris: Because

Sidey: he knows his brother

Cris: she,

Sidey: she had come to find him. That was the one bit in the film I was like after he said that to her.

Dan: Yeah, but she was keen on him, and she knew that it wasn't like him.

Sidey: because the brother, the brotherhood confessed that he hadn't, he hadn't been part of the,

Dan: this was

Cris: guy actually helped me, kind of thing,

Sidey: But, so he's run down there to try and help him 'cause he knows his mates are going there to cause a fucking hell of a lot of trouble.

Dan: And that's where he

Sidey: and he sees it basically go

Dan: of rushes in to the thing and he lets her in the door and then he goes around the back and he sees her opening the, and he's like,

Cris: just jumps up

Dan: one of the

Cris: brilliant that. I was cheering for him as well.

Sidey: by the time he gets round to their neighbourhood, they're under body bags, burnt to a crisp guys there are like, yeah, they look bad like that. And it's just really racially charged. It's

Cris: he's all the only white person there as well.

Sidey: it's a really hostile, obviously environment because the guys have gone down there to kill people, you know, and it's backfired on them.

But He,

Cris: He just runs off because she

just ? tells

Sidey: No, they, they, they kiss. They kiss. Yeah, they kiss, they kiss.

Cris: All right. Yes. Yeah.

Sidey: they, they have a smooch. Maybe it wasn't right there and then, but they do kiss and, and he's terrible at it. And so she kisses him properly. She,

Dan: terrible at

Cris: just before they realize they're going for the brother again.

Sidey: it. This and that.

So he's gonna go back now to his own neighborhood and there's a big shindig going on. There's a big party in the bar and he's gonna go in there to see Sonny and tell him thanks for saving my life.

You know you literally have just pulled me out of the car and saved my life. He goes in and he's smiling as you can see Sonny's smiling and he just looks across and there's a kid. He goes there's only one person in the whole bar not smiling and he knows exactly what's about to happen. Yeah. And the guy just comes in and just cheapshot Sonny in the back of the head.

Bang. Yeah. Gone hit the deck straight away. God knows what happened to

Dan: as

Sidey: He, he'd been ripped fucking limb from limb. And the next thing is Sonny's funeral where he's in an open casket. There's a whole load of guys there and he looks around and he goes, it's just like Sonny said it would be No one fucking cares.

Cris: And it's also

Sidey: they're there, but they've moved on

Dan: no one fucking cares. They're there, but they've moved

Cris: The way the way I saw it is it's gone full circle because The guy that they fought over a parking space, he was at the funeral parlor at the beginning of the movie.

Collagero was looking at the funeral party at the beginning. Sonny's at the exact same funeral party as the guy. And it went full circle because Sonny got killed by that guy's son.

So it went kind of from the beginning of the story that triggered the whole story. The fight over a parking space, Sonny killing a guy.

That guy's son comes back eight, ten years later to kill him and Sonny ends up in the same funeral parlor as the guy that he shot. So it's almost one of

Dan: tied up in a little bow.

Cris: like a full of like an irony.

Sidey: Yeah, and

he's, he's really cut up about it. He's, he wants to stay, he can't bring himself to leave for the funeral parlor and the guy that's running the places, like, I'll give you a couple more minutes, then he really got, you know, close it

Cris: his dad

Sidey: dad then appears and it's a quite surprising moment. He is, is de near there as Lorenzo is. He says, oh, I just came to pay my respects. And he's, he, you're a friend and he has some kind words to say to him. He says, look, I guess I was just mad 'cause you kind of made him grow up so quick. But, you know, I respect what you did for him and stuff.

Dan: looked out for him

Sidey: did look

Dan: was a man of honor even though obviously he wasn't he killed people but when you're on his side and you you did him a solid he he kept true today he kept his word

Sidey: Yeah. And he, he disappears. And someone just comes to the door just as he's

Cris: leaves it. Well, it's a

Sidey: know, it's good fellas. It's Joe Pesci appears and and he said and he says, oh, hi, brother. And he goes, I've already met you. You I I was the guy.

Dan: The first

Sidey: From the parking

Dan: Yeah

Sidey: And he's like,

Oh, wow. Okay. Cause look, I'm going to be around now. And he's obviously coming in and he's taken over.

He's the new boss. And he says, you need anything from me? You just come and see me in the, in the

Cris: see me.

Sidey: Anything at all. And he's like, I'm just. Yeah,

Dan: men are yeah, they they

Sidey: I'll be alright, I'll be alright.

Dan: taking a little more advice from

Sidey: taking a little more advice from them. a It's

Dan: great film. I mean it's and it is a tale It's a

Sidey: a real story. And it's

Dan: and it's it was well written it was well acted it was well directed and it caught all the The authenticity of the time I mean, I've seen a lot of these Mafia movies particularly a few years ago when I was really into him and I'd watch you Know every everything that came out that was Mafia related old and this was always one of the better ones

Sidey: I was a little bit concerned by it at the start because it's so good fellas. The way they introduced, the way he

Dan: bought, it's just the

Sidey: way he does, he does the voiceover talking about all the guys in the street, and they introduce the characters and their names. And I was like, God, I had checked the date to see which one came first.

And it's like, Oh, this one's after. But that quickly over that, I thought it was fucking excellent. I really, really loved it.

Cris: I thought it was fucking excellent. I really, really loved it. This and again, I'm not obviously it's not my film. I'm not that excited. You know, I didn't invent it, but I remember the first time watching it and I thought this is brilliant. And it's also, I find a slightly different touch to the mafia films because this is more of a, of a life lesson.

And also with the end is this is just another Bronx. So these things happen.

Sidey: all the

Cris: All the time. And this is just more of an untold story of he's not, he's not the big boss. He's not the Godfather. He's not Henry Hill. And these guys, he's,

Dan: right. It's just of an area of a

Cris: that guy on that corner on that little area in, in

Sidey: yeah, he'd been doing numbers on that couple of blocks,

Cris: kind of blocks.

And, but, but he was the, the, the guy there and the people that he affected in his life and other people in the situation and how New York was and all this stuff. And also

coming

back to De Niro.

Apparently he put this on purpose because there's also the fact that a young white Italian male falls in love with a black girl is because it happened to him and he's notoriously,

Dan: connection

Cris: notoriously known for

Sidey: He likes black women.

Cris: just, he just loves black women.

So, which fair play, you know, who doesn't, I guess, but

Sidey: yeah, I mean, Chaz Palmincieri struggled to get this off the ground. He wanted to play Zonni. It was his story and it was struggling. And De Niro came and said, no, we'll finance it. I'll go in and let him have every concession he wanted. And then got him involved in every, every aspect of it.

Casting sound, every, every

Cris: I have to say I mean obviously it's fairly easy I would imagine in New York to find kind of these characters but all of them looked like great I know it's you know 93 so so it's

Sidey: Felt bad for the ugly guy who had the bad

Cris: oh yeah with it yeah

Sidey: or

Dan: it, was it a corn cookie dough or something like that? It

Cris: get him out there get him out I don't want I don't want this kid look at that when he throws the dice

Dan: Yeah, some, some really great humor in there as well. And as said, the the, the guy who was the mob boss, this Michael Fran,

he, he'd said the authenticity of the dialogue was What?

He enjoyed most about it.

He said in more than most other Mafia films, this one caught it, that it was a good laugh as well. It wasn't just like shooting and you know, all dark.

Cris: Yeah,

Dan: they had a really great

Sidey: sonny. I just think sonny was more

More led and had more three dimensional than other mob boss characters because he had the the affection he had for the boy and and the neighborhood and stuff So I like

Cris: more it was more the relationship of him and the boy and this boy's family rather than him and other mob bosses or other mobsters. There's no drugs involved. It was more a bit more romanticized. The whole thing. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. And I think it was brilliant. It's a long movie as well.

Dan: Yes,

Sidey: just under two hours, I think, wasn't it?

Dan: couple of hours long.

I mean, it's coming

Cris: hours, you know, we've watched movies that, they're, they're

Dan: I've felt longer, even though they're shorter. And this one didn't. Yeah. I mean, for me as a coming of age movie mafia, all the rest of it, it's, it's really good. And I recommend if you haven't seen it or if you haven't seen it in a while, watch it again.

Cris: it's

Sidey: strong. recommend.