Midweek Mention... 2010: The Year We Made Contact

2010

Sidey: 2010, the year we made contact.

Pete: Hmm.

Sidey: I've mentioned this a few times before in

the

Dan: which surprises me cuz I was sure I'd never heard of it. Yeah. Honestly, this was,

Sidey: It was

fresh.

Dan: like today years old when I was watching it

Sidey: Because it, there is a book.

Dan: Yeah,

I, I'm just, I was absolutely shocked at my ignorance on this

Cris: Me

Sidey: too.

Dan: I think that says it all,

Pete: of

the entire English language

Dan: I think that says it all.

Yeah,

Pete: I,

I can recall at least four or five times being on this podcast and Sidy referencing this film.

So it just shows how much you listen when you are not talking.

Dan: What'd you say?

Pete: Having

Sidey: said that, I had forgotten quite a lot. So let's get into it. Pete, you were saying on our group that you've not seen. 2001.

Pete: I haven't.

Sidey: and you were asking do I need to have seen 2001? Well, no, because when it starts, it gives you a big fucking dump of all the information that happened in 2000 in case you were coming into this completely cold.

Cris: Well,

Pete: what I would say for, for the listeners and, and anyone else for that matter if you are going to watch a sequel without having watched the

Sidey: mm-hmm.

Pete: then this is a really, really good one to watch because it, it literally tells you everything that happened in the

Sidey: first

Pete: one in, in, not granular detail, but gives you all the, like, the

Sidey: Yeah. everything you

Pete: What happened, who was who. And Yeah. And then it kicks off the,

Sidey: story

Dan: Phil's in the blank to a point, but I,

Sidey: because there's, right. So Cause you haven't see, and ev, even though it tells you that you don't get the flavor of how fucking like bonkers 2001 is, it's trippy.

Like this is very much more linear, like plugging in all the gaps. The, it's, it's fucking out there the

first one. Okay. And you know, you're in masterpiece territory, it's Kubrick. It is fucking like from another level, like this is,

you

know, a bit

Pete: It's just one of those films that for whatever reason, has, has, I've not avoided, it's just passed me by and I've been aware of it and I, I've seen scenes from it and I know the music and you know, a new, I know a lot about it without ever having seen the original a d original.

Dan: yeah. It's almost part of, you know, movie cultural Yeah. History

Cris: Yeah. I, I

Dan: know, you see it everywhere

Pete: widely regarded as an all time classic.

Sidey: Yeah.

Pete: But it wasn't this, this is

Dan: Well there, this is the sequel, which as I say, it had escaped me even though you've mentioned it on numerous occasions.

Sidey: Yeah, it set nine years. Post. Because it's two thousand ten

thousand one. Yeah. And the after the failure of discovery one and the mission to Jupiter, because what happens in the first one is monolith appears.

One, you get all the thorn of man and all that

sort stuff and blah, blah, blah,

Pete: appears on the moon in the first one and Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. And it's kind of like evolutionary stuff and you, it's all these question marks. But this one Roski goes out to see Roy Schneider. Who's yours? He's forgotten all about the sharks at this point.

Yeah. And sort of lectures him about how well you fucked it. But the Russians, we want to go up and, and see what's going on. You won't even let us try and find out anything about it. You are keeping all that

Alien tech or whatever, and he is like, we can't get into it. You can't, Dr. We've tried nuking the fucking thing, like we can't do anything.

And so like to get into the story, they go, they, they just in the backdrop of the Cold War. A joint, US Russian mission is sent out to find out what happened.

Pete: Yeah. And, and I really like the scene because it is too, I mean, I dunno who the sort of, whether it was a Russian actor, but the, the actor playing the Russian guy obviously always get like Schneider, is it Schneider?

Schneider's the, the

Sidey: it's Schneider. Yeah. Bigger

Cris: Schneider.

Pete: So, yeah, Schneider obviously stellar actor, seen him in lots of things. Not

seen the other

Dan: guy, George one, George two, George

Pete: Yeah, exactly. But this, this is a really good scene because it. It kind of like, it's, it's good sort of dialogue and kind of playful.

You can see like there's tension there. There's acknowledge an acknowledgement of it. He's referencing the fact that there's like conflict between the, between the two countries. The Russians are ahead of them in terms of being able to get out there to, you know, they want to go out there, so they've got, they're, they're ahead of the game in that.

Regard, but you know, the Americans have got the bits that they're missing, which is the actual intel on the, on the ship and, and the, the computer that, that runs the ship. So the only way to, to solve this is some kind of collaboration, but as against the backdrop of, I didn't think it was the Cold War because this is

Sidey: 2010.

Well, at the time this was made, the, the Cold War, Mac,

Carolina. This is like projecting that

Pete: further,

further,

ahead and like trouble in Latin America or so Central America or

Dan: And the landscape of that scene as well. Where they're on Yeah, just this arid kind of flat land with all these towers

Sidey: and it's called something like the very large telescope array. It's got some really bland name

like that. But that

Pete: think what I liked about it is it, what it does is it, it sets up the. What's now gonna happen in the film or what, you know, without load of like heavy handed kind of office, you know, showing five or six scenes building up and establishing that point. It's literally just a conversation between two guys really.

Well, acted against an incredible backdrop. And then the, the Russian guy comes in on kind of like Meek and like, we need something from you. And he's trying to convince Lloyd is Dr. Lloyd is it?

Floyd, sorry. He's trying to convince Dr. Floyd, but ends up kind of almost like walking away, leaving him wanting more.

And then that's, you know, fast forward to the, to the White House scene.

Sidey: Yeah.

And he's saying what to his, his contact, who's my contact?

Like, oh, I've gotta go into the fucking White House and tell the president that we're going up with the Ruskis. And he's like,

Dan: Oh,

that, that's him. Sat with his kind of colleague mate. Yeah. On a bench outside the White House, isn't it? And they're put thumb in behind him going, oh, I've gotta go in there until, and

Sidey: and he's like, yeah, it's gotta

it'll have to be me. It'll have to be. Dr. Chandra. Who was the engineer who built how, and John Lithco should probably tag along as well. Yeah,

Dan: Because he's a fine actor.

Sidey: Yeah. We've seen him twice this week. Yeah.

Yeah. Which is interesting.

And so they, they really don't waste too much time getting into it.

It's like the scene, like the setup is, is given out like pretty early on. He's gotta tell his wife that he's gonna fuck off for four

Pete: which obviously

I, I, I dunno how much, I don't even know if, if Schneider is in the, the original film. I can't imagine he was, but his character is

Sidey: the only returning characters are Dave and Hal.

Pete: Right. But his character is, is referenced in the first film, I believe. Anyway, so, but I, I didn't immediately appreciate that. That was his wife. I thought it might be his daughter because she's this, there's a sizable age gap there. What they do have is, is a pool in their house

Sidey: house with dolphins

Pete: the house with dolphins in it,

Sidey: it. But she's a, she's a marine

Pete: Oh,

Sidey: so that's, it's completely fine.

Pete: Okay. Normal.

Dan: That was, yeah.

Pete: of like a glorified bath

that the

Dan: he, would just be doing his work, wouldn't he? And there'd

Sidey: was like a super villain's

layer.

Pete: It was, yeah. It was pretty

Dan: Yeah. Quite a pad. And he's, anyway, needs to leave it. He needs to, to head up into, into space.

And it, it moves quite quickly,

Pete: There's no fucking about next cut to the next scene. And there's space. They're in space.

Dan: We're in a space. We didn't need any training montage or anything.

Sidey: There's a distinct lack of montages in

Dan: just went straight into Right. We're there. And it was obvious. They talked about it.

It was, he'd had that conversation.

Sidey: Did get a bit with Sal because there's the, there's

like Chandra

Chandra talking to the, the, the latest iteration of the super computer thing, and it's called Sal and it's got a girl's voice. And he kind of runs through some scenarios, but yeah, then after that we, we just, it's like a quick meet the crew and then they bugger off.

They're up there with the Russians, one

of

Pete: the leonov, which is

Sidey: was, yeah. One of which is Helen Miran.

Pete: Yeah, that, that was, I wasn't expecting that. Looking quite hot. I'd

Sidey: Quite hot. Yeah.

Very hot. Yeah. And again, it's like a, a few bit of like push and pull of are you stupid, you know, imperial dogs and you stupid Russian fucking communist.

Fuck. And then they just like hoof, John Lith go out with the other guy. To effectively replicate all the breathing scenes from 2001

Pete: Oh right. So that's, yeah, cuz that, that did, you know, so, so the first sort of foray out towards the

Sidey: Yeah. And this guy's in

Pete: the Russian engineer guy and, and John Lithco, who is just an engineer but has never, doesn't, I don't think he's done a space walk before. No.

Sidey: No. This, he would all, all been in labs and stuff right on, on Terrafirma. Now he's out doing a

Pete: So,

so the, again, whilst, whilst they're kind of, this is quite a protracted scene and like right the way through the scene, even though this, this, this, there is some score and so on. There's also like John Lith go's heavy breathing all the way through the scene. So he's having

a bit of a panic attack really.

Sidey: It's quite

Dan: a way. He's gotta go drifting through the blackness of space to,

Pete: Yeah. Walking

Dan: kind of lands onto this other capsule, this other ship that has originally been floating out there. The discovery? Yeah.

Pete: Yeah.

Sidey: yeah. And had they, the, the premises that Hal will have all the answers or, or potentially

will have all the

Dan: imagine it, can't you? They, they've been on earth, this ship, discovery's been lost. They've got a, another ship now with this effort and everybody wants to, to see what the fuck

Pete: Yeah. Cause like

Sidey: well, and also they, they know that there's extraterrestrial life.

Yeah.

Because They

have these monoliths. And they know that they exist, but there's so many questions and why did this supercomputer fail?

Like, what happened? Cuz it killed the whole fucking

Pete: ano. Another reason that they need to go to the discovery, it's in a, I'm gonna say perishing orbit, I don't think that's the right word,

Sidey: It's a decaying

orbit. It's, it's

Pete: orbit. So it's eventually it's gonna crash into Jupiter or one of the moons or whatever. Yeah.

Dan: So they a, a race against the clock. And as they're going up there, they, they see something around Jupiter, don't they? Or one of the earths of one of the moons of, of Jupiter.

Sidey: It's Europa.

Dan: of opa there's some kind of anomaly going on there

Pete: Well, they, they send a probe.

Dan: That's

right.

Pete: They send a probe out and as it gets closer to Europa, there's like a, like an energy pulse.

Sidey: Well, there's the, it's another one where they. They sort of drag the suspense out of it by having the beep beep. And as it gets closer to what they're

Dan: beep, beep,

Sidey: gets closer and closer to, it's a shrieking

noise

Pete: readings that

Sidey: some sort of energy pulse fires past

them and wipes out the, like a, like an

Dan: Kubrick inspired moments.

Sidey: No, what?

E

Pete: Electromagnetic pulse.

Sidey: That's what

Pete: em, e emmp.

Sidey: The kind of like temporarily short circuit

Pete: but this probe is, is confirming what they already suspect that there's chlorophyll.

Sidey: Yeah. There's a few

elements

Pete: the atmosphere. Which, which would suggest that there's the presence of life in on this Moon Europa.

Dan: What was the the probe about Uranus you were telling me about?

No,

Pete: that's much bigger than this one in the, in the film. Yeah. That, that lets out electromagnetic pulses

Sidey: well.

And so there, there's science guys and they're like, well, we, something's happened. And Schneider's Dr. Floyd's, like, that was a fucking warning shot. You know, we all saw it. We know what happened. That was a warning shot

to fucking be careful. And so they're kind of hanging about and then it's time to, the monolith is there and I think it's, they, they kind of think that it's. Two kilometers wide, but it's very hard to measure because it's so, it doesn't, it doesn't rebound any of the signals that they

send

Pete: yeah, there's no, there's no light, light, light doesn't reflect off it or anything, so it's difficult to actually,

Sidey: so they send out the,

Pete: and the Russian

Sidey: engineer. Who he's been very confident and very capable, and as he goes out, he's like, well, it's, you know, not getting any reading. It's all very difficult. And they've been playing back. Dave's closing line from. 2001, which is, my God, it's full of stars.

Yeah. And suddenly some lights and, and blue sort of flickers appear in the monolith and it fucking zaps in basically.

Pete: Yeah. So again, it's a, an energy pulse. Almost like another warning that you've

Sidey: Dr. Floyd's been saying, send it unmanned. You know, we can fucking remote that. And they're like, no, no. Russian's like, no, we just need to send our man.

I dunno why, I

dunno. What he was

Dan: they, they, it is still because bubbling all the way through this, they're getting information from earth and the. The two countries are, are kicking off

Sidey: But yeah, there might not be any earth

to go back to

Dan: E exactly. It sounds like it, it is really kicking off down on earth.

So there's also that competition of, well, if we go and we send a probe, we're sharing that information. If we go, I'm giving you what information

I

deemed to, to give you. And, and so that's the undercurrent, I think. Yeah.

Pete: And, and at this time there's, there's also then another earth scene, which is a lady who's just watching her telly.

Sidey: Yeah.

Pete: Yeah. And what I sort of then worked out to be Dave Bowman. Yeah. The the guy who

Dan: original astronaut. Yeah,

Pete: original guy who was in the, the, or like, you know, on, on discovery who went basically just went missing. Is that right?

They didn't

Dan: went, seemed

Pete: to be conclusive that they, he was, he was deemed lost in

Dan: it was his last words,

Sidey: when it goes into the thing in this bit where you see him and he keeps aging in different ways like that.

So he, he kind of disappears and then you see him in this sort of palatial bedroom aged with the monolith right in front of him with the fucking score, gang mental. And then you see a giant space baby, and you are like, what the fuck's going on? Right. So, yeah, he was gone. But

Pete: yeah. So, but he appears to his, his wife

Sidey: I'm, I'm

what

was.

Dave

Pete: I was, yeah. I was like Dave Bowman, but she b basically like he says that something incredible is going to happen. Yeah. That then, and then not long after his IT visits. Dave Bowman's mother in a, in a home where she's

Sidey: full horror episode

Pete: and she's basically catatonic, cata, catatonic, sorry.

And the, the doctors leave the, leave the room and she just

Sidey: full horror.

Pete: right? Yeah. Goes, goes like Polter guys like, Yeah, there's, there's nobody there but a, a brush like just comes up and starts brushing her hair, but she smiles. It's not, she's

Sidey: not yeah, She's comforted.

Pete: not like panicking or anything like that.

She wakes up, but then

Dan: the classic moment, the security guard of

Sidey: the nurse she comes in cause she, flatlines doesn't she? And the nurse comes in

Dan: a magazine though, instead of looking at the

Sidey: ah, did you see who was on the cover of the magazine? Yes.

Pete: Yes. Well, I had to look up who the other person was.

Sidey: It was Stan.

Pete: It was, Kubrick was the Russian premier.

Sidey: Was

it? Was it

Pete: The other guy was asked Arthur C. Clark. Yeah. Yeah. So a nice little nod to the, to the creators of, of this fair.

Sidey: It, yeah, I thought that scene was kind of incongruous the rest of the film, it was

like odd. It

Pete: Didn't really serve any purpose. Yeah. So, but anyway we're, we're back up in space now.

And so Chan Chandra is, is sort of, he's re umani animated for one of rebooted Hal erased the, the memories that he had from like a really early point in the last mission and is now sort of,

Sidey: he's pieced together

Pete: what happened?

Yeah. It,

Sidey: Why he went rogue.

It

Pete: It was effect, it was effectively a contradiction in his, in his instructions that,

Sidey: Well, which answers

Dan: a lot of the questions.

I think people would've had from

Sidey: Yeah. And

Dan: like is AI because

basically

Pete: a like syntax error on a, on an old like Commodore 64. But with, with far greater consequences,

Dr.

Sidey: Floyd had given the original instructions, and then they'd been superseded by someone without his knowledge, and it caused

Pete: from, come from the top,

Sidey: Yeah. it, caused the kind of logic error, and so it, it kind of made how paranoid and

interpreted yeah.

The he was basically able to carry out the mission on his own without anyone there, so he

Pete: Well, he, he thought, from my understanding, was that he thought that the crew were trying to jeopardize the mission or were doing things that were gonna jeopardize the mission. So he effectively terminated them by switching off the life support or whatever it was that he, that he did. Yeah. But he seems to be back on a far more, he's been in therapy for, for the last nine years, and Hal seems to be far more compliant.

Sidey: Yeah. And once he is back up and running, Dr. Floyd, they've had some touring and fraying about what they're gonna do. And, you know, we're all scientists, even though the, the politicians are all being tws down at home, we need to fucking like, work together and get this done.

You know, we we're all about knowledge, so let's do that. And he's sitting sort of mulling things over and Hal says, I've received a transmission for you.

Pete: Oh, yeah. And

Sidey: he is like, oh, okay, cool. What does it say? He says, you need to leave in the next two days. And they've already had instructions. I think it's 40 days or something like

Pete: They've got a window

Sidey: the next. The next available time that they can

get

Dan: some lunar orbit

Sidey: he's, cuz they, there's a, there's a difficulty with the, the amount of fuel they have and so it's, no, you need to leave now. And he's like, well, who's the message from? And he's like, well, you would know them as Dave Borman.

I keep wanna say Dave Gorman. It's Dave Bowman. Bowman,

yeah.

And he's like, well, how can that be? And he is like, You know, I just, you understand that? I can't believe that. I mean, it's

crazy. prove it. And

he just looked behind you and he is like, oh fuck. And he looks behind him and there's Dave as we know him from 2001 in his space suit as we last saw him.

And he just kind of in the doorway standing right there and he walks off

and

Floyd has to follow him and he just keeps aging. He jumping between different ages like he did in the, in the first film. And it repeats this kind of mantra of like, something incredible is gonna happen. It doesn't say what it is.

It says We won't meet again. You will get another message, but we won't, we won't communicate again. And you just have to, you have to

Pete: So I, I interpreted this as the alien beings that are either within the monolith or the creators of the monolith or whatever it is. This is their way of being able to communicate with like someone who they believe is, is a, you know, pivotal figure in this.

Like whole sort of thing. That's, that's,

Dan: Yeah. So not just,

Pete: And obviously if they, if, if they appear as, you know, we might not be, be able to even comprehend what they look like or anything like that. So he, he's giving him like, they, they are giving him a reference, which is someone that is gonna look familiar to him, a human.

And

Sidey: well in the, in the first one, the, the mono appears at like evolutionary steps.

So they're the apes, the, the products. They touch 'em on lift and then it cuts to

Pete: Right. Okay.

Sidey: then he, he then sees one on the mission and he. Becomes a giant space baby or something. So is that he's like, become something else, like the next step. So there's, they're causing something to

happen.

Pete: I mean, it's, it is. It doesn't, it's, it's slightly relevant. All the while it's now instructions have come through from both the, the Russians and the, the, the Americans at the same time, when they're all on the le of the, they now need to part ways, like everyone, all us, have to leave Russian territory and vice versa, which means that they have given, been given explicit instructions to separate, go on the separate ships.

The discovery's now fully operational. And, and they're not allowed to even communicate with each other. But because of this, this this, this I guess like visitation that what's it

Floyd,

experiences? He feels compelled to like go over and tell he Helen Miran what, what the crack is.

Yeah.

Sidey: I think he's gonna have a hard time convincing her, but she's on board like

pretty

Pete: straight away.

So, well I saw, I saw a dead guy and he said We gotta get the hell out of here and get well given they've had those two pulses, which have like killed someone and like destroyed their probe. So

Sidey: well he shared some whiskey with her as well, so

Pete: He does, yeah. Yeah. He smuggled some contraband

Dan: was strange the, the dynamic of the crew because you also had the a moment early in the.

In the film when they're kind of jetting in into another area or they're taking a

Pete: To get in position.

Dan: One of the Russian q q crew that doesn't speak any English she, she really hot, comes in next to him, kisses him just maybe in a scary moment. You don't really see her then in the rest of the film.

Sidey: Shame.

Dan: she's, she's kind of just one of the, the other actors and but. With Helen Mirin in, in that scene that you're talking about, where he goes in there, to explain, you know, this is,

Pete: this is more important than squabbles over like,

Dan: and I think she's on board quite quickly because of that.

Yeah. You know, she agrees. Yeah.

Pete: So they they obviously agree that they, that there, it's impossible.

There's not enough fuel to send both ships back to earth within the two day. Kind of like

Sidey: well, as he's telling her this, that it's gone, the monolith is gone. He

Pete: Oh, yeah, yeah,

Sidey: and he is like, wait, look.

And she's like, what is the

monolith, fucked off?

Dan: Importantly, the, the monolith is possibly responsible for life being created because they sent a probe down to the planet that we mentioned earlier, beep,

Pete: the Moon

Sidey: Europa.

Dan: they've, they've found the. Chloroform and, and these kind of chloroform

Cris: oh, the, or a feel, believe it.

Dan: it.

And a tv, an old, an old TV set down there. So that's still bubbling on. And, and I was thinking through this. Well, that's why they want them gone. You know, they're, they're doing something here that they

Pete: They're making worlds

Dan: They're making worlds.

Pete: you bugger off.

But yeah, so, so it's, they come to the conclusion that they can't leave within this, like, now 48 hour window and send both because of the, you know, the orbit and they won't have enough propulsion and la la, la and, and, and fuel. So, Floyd comes up with the ingenious idea of, well, we'll use discovery to basically like give a push.

Yeah. And then that should get leonov going in the right direction enough for them to then switch on the engines.

Sidey: We have to rely on how

yeah, yeah.

To do the nesta. And there's still question marks over

Pete: Yeah. It's,

Sidey: he will

interpret that.

It's a

Pete: scene because it's basically. Like how they deal with, like, what has previously obviously been a really volatile, like, you know, piece of ai, I guess.

And like they, they agree that the best thing to do is just to be really honest about it and explain in, in like specific and explicit detail how, why they're

Dan: Right At the end they try and keep it. And how's not buying it? How's just not having, you know, he's saying, oh, I think we could still probably have bought the mission, couldn't we?

And, and every minute we've got a minute to go. I'm not sure whether this is the best way to do the mi. And then he, he needs to come clean

Sidey: Chandra tells him

Dan: and how? Oh, thank you. Now I understand,

Sidey: Yeah, he goes through there. But whilst that's on the backdrop to that is when the spot appears.

Pete: Oh, yeah.

On Jupiter.

Sidey: Yeah. On Jupiter.

And it looks like Jupiter's imploding. It's like caving in on itself. And as they zoom in onto the image, there's not one monolith, but

thousands, and exponentially growing. And so it really is the race to get out of there. And so how, how does what he's supposed to do

Pete: gives them a push

Sidey: cut straight to it, right? Yeah. So, the. The monolith just keep on going and going and going. And it, it detonates stupor in some kind of like massive supernova Yeah.

Explosion. Which they survive from like pretty close.

Pete: Yeah, well that, that, that seems to take out the discovery, but discovery's already pushed the lion of sort far enough away for them to be able to survive this huge,

Sidey: sparks and that was

Pete: Huge, huge explosion.

Sidey: And he, We get just before the discovery goes.

Another transmission.

Oh yeah.

To how he said there would be one more. And it's Dave Gorman and he says, I need you to transmit this. Just put it on repeat as many times as you can before you're destroyed. And it comes up on the screen. All these worlds are yours except your roper. Except no landing

attempt.

no landing. There, use them together. Use them in peace. Yeah. And it's created effectively another sun.

Pete: Yep.

Sidey: And now all the planets in our solar system would be inhabitable

Pete: Oh, I, I didn't, I didn't take that. I,

Sidey: Because we see that we, we do get a tiny little montage of one of the planets, the

colder planets. was the, well, maybe, but, but that's what I

Pete: in like ice. It was, it was that moon that they'd found life on before that I, I, I took it as, that was kind of like bubbling away under the surface.

Sidey: But because I think the

Pete: of this starve right next to it, it had the necessary

Sidey: my in. Yes. But my intention was that all the other planets, cuz he says, he says, all these worlds are

yours.

So I get that they will all be like terraformed and be able to,

Dan: and we will use 'em all. We'll get through 'em all, and then we'll be looking at Europa.

Pete: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sidey: But you're still left with like, well what's your, like, what's

like, what you got there to

Pete: well that I think, yeah, because I mean,

Sidey: So the the forbidden fruit,

Pete: I mean, that's, that's basically, oh, and there's a monolith, just like

Sidey: like, and the music there, the classic music

Pete: in, in the primordial soup of, of this new world. And then, and then obviously there's, there's the music and, and that's the end. I'm aware

that there are then further sequels in book form.

Sidey: Yeah. I dunno

Pete: So I, I dunno anything about them and it doesn't look like they've ever been turned into put on the big screen at any point or any, seemingly

Dan: even know about this one, so No, I dunno about any others.

Sidey: no.

Pete: yeah. You, you wonder if, if you roper then features in these others. It kind of makes me wanna read the

Sidey: Yeah.

Yeah. Me too. Yeah. Some of this looked a little bit like Red Dwarf. It

Pete: It did, yeah. Yeah, it did. It

Sidey: it it like str the first shot when we meet Dr. Floyd, he's.

Like upper staircase working on one of these telescope arrays, like just like basic maintenance and the camera kind of pans up to it. And even that I was like a little bit critical cuz of what, how Cubic did is it's a little bit jerky, it's not very smooth. And I was like, oh, this is,

Dan: how's this gonna go?

Sidey: is like gone from a

real masterpiece to like

a real piece of shit.

Dan: you can't, you know, different director, different interpretation. Couldn't, it was much more mainstream, this film and linear as you say, than, you know, you got two big stars at the time.

Yeah. As well in

Pete: And it finished with two big stars.

Sidey: Really, really

like tattooing. I didn't

particularly enjoy so how's like a great villain in the first one? And it's so ambiguous as to why he's gone rogue. Whereas this, they just, they just tie that not in a nice bow with like shitty orders. You're like, oh, okay.

Dan: which makes sense.

And you know,

Sidey: I mean, and it is very much like, people didn't really get that film. Let's just make it nice and easy for everyone to understand this one, but I still really fucking enjoyed this. So it's

Pete: Well look through the eyes of someone who's not seen the, the the original film or the first film.

I enjoyed this like enough to, I mean, listen, I probably, I would've watched the original at some point anyway. But like I said, I, I'd, I'd quite like to go and watch it. And then I'd, I'd quite like to, to read the books and see then what the follow ones

Dan: might be an interesting way to go about it to, to see this one first and then go into the, the Kubrick one.

I've done it the other way round. I I

Pete: the normal way. Yeah. But

Dan: I've, I've done, I really enjoyed this, you know,

Sidey: Yeah, I did. So,

Dan: There was enough tension

and

Pete: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dan: through the film that, that kept you watching and. Yeah, all the, obviously all the actors are, are, are top, not you say bit red dwarfy in some

Sidey: Yeah, some of the visuals,

Dan: but it is of the time and I was, you know, the conversations there was real you know, atmosphere between the Russians they have and the Americans having conversations about who they can trust and what they've not been given cuz they've been

Sidey: we've moved on from those times, eh,

Dan: and Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So no very topical like that.

Pete: Well, it's a strong

Sidey: strong recommend.