Last Flag Flying & Bullseye
Vexillologists should be delighted this week as we attempt to raise the cinematic banner as high as we can when we discuss the top 5 Flags. From fictional countries to cartoon weaponry, it's actually churches that prove to be a surprisingly good place to go to collect them, after all it's a great place to seek pennants.
LAST FLAG FLYING is Richard Linklater's frequently moving but not entirely successful exploration of patriotism, friendship and loss which sees former Marine Larry "Doc" Shepherd (Steve Carell) reunite with Vietnam veterans Sal (Bryan Cranston) and the Reverend Richard Mueller (Laurence Fishburne) in order to bury his son, killed in action in Iraq. When a dark truth emerges about Larry Jr.'s death, Doc resolves to bring his son home to bury him in his civilian clothing alongside his recently deceased wife. Along the way, the three men find themselves coming to terms with the shared experiences of a war that continues to shape their lives through painful physical and mental trauma. The meaning of heroism is a complex issue which the movie handles sensitively and the movie is at its best when the leads are allowed to breathe life into thin characters. Sitcom style asides like Sal and Mueller being arrested as terrorists or a trip to buy a newfangled thing called a mobile phone are a distraction from the more interesting thematic content of the movie.
Staple of 80's Sunday night television, BULLSEYE is our kids tv selection this week as we take a look back at a time when moustaches were thick, mullets were magnificent, and working class northerners were paraded on British tv for the very first time vying for the chance to win a washing machine, toaster or of course a speedboat. Jim Bowen doesn't look a day over sixty-five which is a shame because he was 44 when he hosted episode four of the first season, the instalment we watched for this review. Find out just why there were so many speedboats, reminisce about the casual sexism and homophobia and find out which serial killer was convicted using evidence from the show.
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Bad Dads
Last Flag Flying
Reegs: Welcome to Flag Dad's Film Review, the podcast where a group of movie loving dads reunite to resurrect their long lost hobby after years of sacrificing it on the altar of parenthood. We're here to unleash our uncensored and often badly thought out takes on the flicks we missed while drowning in diapers and toddler meltdowns.
In this week's flag themed extravaganza, we're going to be raising the cinematic banner as high as we can by which I mean that actually flags are mostly a visual thing and podcasting is primarily an aural format in my opinion, so this could be a bit rubbish, who knows, let's find out. After we've compiled our top five flags, we're gonna kick it up a notch with Richard Linklater's exploration of patriotism, friendship, and loss in the 2017 Amazon Prime Studios movie Last Flag.
flying before we finish things up with by taking a cheeky stroll down memory lane with a nostalgic look back at a time when moustaches were thick, mullets were magnificent and working class northerners were paraded on British TV for the very first time vying for the chance to win a washing machine, toaster, or of course a speedboat in classic TV series Bullseye.
All that's left to do is introduce the Dads, and because I haven't had a lot of time this week, let's just say that Sidey has probably done something improbable this week, Peter has a lot of kids, and Dan is old. And I'm Reegs. Hello.
Sidey: Hello. We had a night out, didn't we? Three of us, me, you and Dan.
It was good. It was fun, wasn't it? Yeah, it was a nice night
Dan: Let's, let's night out.
Sidey: Yeah, so, so, like, off the hook. I fell asleep at half ten.
Reegs: Yeah? Yeah,
Dan: I fell asleep at half ten. Yeah, we were, we were, well, it's because we went hard. We went early. We went down to the, the restaurant where we had made no booking to get turned away and then brought back and then turned away and then brought back again. They really did. And it was, I was that,
Reegs: damned.
I had that thing and
Dan: I had that thing off the special and it was just amazing.
Sidey: great food.
Reegs: Yeah, it was great food. They were the oldest.
Dan: We were the oldest there by 20 years, yeah. We
Sidey: We had to retreat to the safety of the man cave after
Dan: safety of the man cave. Eventually we came back and watched
Reegs: I did notice that young people, there was a good amount of mullets on display. I, is that like a, a ma, is that just a jersey thing
Sidey: No, it was, it's like, like a diet shoreditch kind of thing going on,
Reegs: I love it. I really love it.
I, could I get, I was talking to you about this on Saturday.
Dan: to do some
Reegs: get a mullet?
Dan: because you're, you're. Kind of short on
Reegs: I know, but my hair, I'm like a, I'm like a fucking lion's mane. I could have a mullet in a couple of
Dan: you own that mullet when you've got it. We want to see it. We want to photograph it and we want to put it online
Reegs: I dunno, I dunno.
Dan: I want to measure
Reegs: thing to
Dan: How big is a how big when does When does kind of you know hair at the back become a mullet?
Reegs: when it's longer at the back than it is at the front.
Dan: it
Pete: I think that once it reaches the collar or whatever,
cause you
Dan: you go. It's
Pete: yeah, cause you could have a fringe, but you could definitely have a mullet that isn't quite as long, but it would still be mullet esque, especially if you shave the sides.
Dan: ones were like, party. Yeah, yeah. Well party of the back, but business. Business, yeah. It's like, whoa, I've got
Pete: I will sponsor you to grow a mullet.
Reegs: Sponsored mullet. Yeah. Let's see what the listeners think.
Sidey: Every single listener thinks you should get a mullet. Like, there's no doubt about it. I didn't watch anything other than YouTube stuff. I really hit YouTube hard this week.
And then the
Reegs: I really
Sidey: know, we had a big mass debate about it, didn't we?
Reegs: I don't really know how to watch YouTube.
Sidey: I just open my eyes
Dan: how old are you?
Sidey: I'm a bit obsessed with Jimmy Bullard's golf channel, bizarrely, and Stephen Hendry's
Dan: really good TV on there. The sandbag is I'm on to season three now.
I've just powered through. It's absolutely amazing. You guys need to get on
Sidey: I told you like I will watch it, but you've gotta watch the wire.
Dan: I'll do the wire. Yeah, for sure. For sure.
Sidey: Everyone wins then.
Dan: Yeah, it seems that way.
Pete: I didn't watch a lot either. I watched a bit of YouTube. What I did,
Sidey: You didn't even watch the homework, did you?
Pete: No, I haven't had a chance, and so yeah, I'm going, I'm flying blind
Sidey: You're just here for the
Pete: I'm here for the cheese and for the, for the lols. But I've watched, I've watched extended highlights of all of England's most recent World Cup games and just broke my own heart all over again. We were all over the French at one point.
Sidey: Yeah, I
Pete: Yeah, it was there. It was there. And Harry's pen. Oh wow. Okay.
Move on.
Reegs: I've been watching Only Murders in the Building, the first season of that.
Sidey: Is it good? Because I started it and I instantly hated it, but I don't know if I was just too quick to judge it.
Reegs: I'm quite enjoying it. It looks really good. It's a Disney thing. It's Steve
Sidey: Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez.
Reegs: Yeah.
Dan: Wow, right,
Reegs: It's alright one thing that really struck me, but it's sort of about podcasting, so that's part of what's kept me hooked, but they paid four and a half thousand dollars for their podcasting equipment. It seems like an awful
Sidey: an awful lot.
Yeah, with everything, but that's just equipment.
Dan: Yeah, with everything. But if that's just equipment that's,
Sidey: We're doing about, we go through about a hundred quid a month just on all the subscription
stuff
Pete: just doing all the subscription stuff. It's, sorry, is Steve Martin and Martin Short two of the
Reegs: Yeah,
Sidey: Chevy Chase is a massive racist so probably wasn't, wasn't invited. Chevy?
Pete: Chevy Chase. Yeah, if it was a S If it was a Sur It would be Chevy.
Sidey: well we, well early on we had, we had Ruth Witherspoon and...
Pete: Ruth!
Reegs: So that's the least of
Sidey: that's the least of your worries.
Right. We had a top five last week, which was schools.
And I think we covered
Reegs: were inundated
Sidey: We were in a day with some really good ones. And I think
Reegs: I wanted to put in, I don't know who did it, but the Derek Zoolander School
Sidey: That was Russell Davies. Yeah, it's sensational. Derek Zoolander Center for kids who can't read good. It's unbelievably good. And we had the the top gun suggestion and we were trying to surmise if that was Gav, our friend Gav or
Pete: Has to be, there can't be two Gavs in the world that are obsessed with
Sidey: I, I, i dunno.
Reegs: Two Top Gun
Sidey: Reveal yourself
Dan: Gavs!
Yeah, please, move
Pete: out from behind the shroud.
Sidey: Yeah. So, but I think, yeah, Derek Suland, Riggs has gotta go in.
Well, I've noticed you've come dressed for the occasion, Dan, because this is top five flags, and you're wearing the stars and bars.
Dan: Yeah, well, you know I need to get on theme
Yet this was to do with the strong flag theme that I've gone for this week with
Sidey: covered off by two out of
Dan: Two out of three. Yeah And
I was thinking there must be loads of
Opportunities to talk about films that we like with flags in them. Because...
Sidey: so I
Reegs: think
Dan: how the top five works.
Pete: I
can do,
but I'm waiting for you to interrupt me as soon as I'm
talking. So why don't
Reegs: no, go on.
Pete: first, Dan?
No,
Dan: You go first then. No, no, go on, you carry on.
Pete: Well, what I've done is gone for flags that...
They're fictitious flags, so all of them are fictitious, apart from one,
Reegs: All right.
Pete: because that was the only one that I could remember,
Reegs: I've got a, a whole section on fictional
Pete: I've got
Reegs: and then Okay. Minor
Pete: a whole section flags. So I'm going to go, so I don't know how this section is going to play out, because obviously we've got to talk about the flags.
But I can give a reference point for this one, because this is the flag of Nibia.
Reegs: Yeah. Does
anyone
Pete: care to...
Reegs: Ace Ventura, when nature calls. Ace Ventura,
Pete: this flag, which current film this flag is from. Do you see what I did there? So yeah, this is Ace Ventura when nature calls the fictitious country of Nibia and the flag is, is, is black, red, and green horizontal bars.
And it's, it's almost identical to the Malawi flag, but the Malawi which blurs the lines, but yeah, this is, this is just the hard lines there.
Sidey: like a trickle law
Pete: Oh, weh. But yeah, it's, I don't know if the, the Wachatu and the Wachuti tribes themselves have their own distinctive flags or not.
Sidey: reckon they would have.
Pete: But this is, this is a great film, and one of those films that I think just as good as the as the original.
Sidey: I think it's better.
Pete: Could very well, I'll hear arguments for it being better. It gives us,
Sidey: think it's more consistently funny.
Pete: Yeah, multi, how they took it from... What it was, the original and put it somewhere completely like preposterous and made it amazing and gave you like Chika and various other like ridiculous scenes strong, strong, strong films that I haven't watched for a long time that I might revisit.
But yeah. Nibia,
Dan: Okay, are we gonna go around the world with this shit or what?
Yeah, okay Well, you're next.
Reegs: Oh. Well, I'm going in a slightly different direction. A completely staple a staple of the sort of Looney Tunes universe. Really, this is Tied to a weapon used for the failure of countless cartoon suicide attempts or murders. It's
Sidey: where you fire a gun
Reegs: fire a gun and a little flag comes out and it says bang
Sidey: There's
Reegs: it and two little cinematic versions of that that I like is obviously one in Tim Burton's 1989 Joker.
He pulls the gun on Vicky Vale shoots, but it comes out with a little flag bang on it. And then in Bill and Ted's bogus journey DeNomolos at the end. Exactly. At the end when they can go back in time and switch the things. DeNomolos is like, I can go back in time, pulls out his gun, but he's like, ah, but only one of us can actually.
Do it. So when he pulls the trigger, it comes out and it says wild stallions rules on a little flag on
Pete: rules on the little flag. Also,
Sidey: That's Bang out of order.
Reegs: bang out of
order. Nice.
Oh, and also, I know massive fans in the man cave of Murder, She Wrote.
Ooh.
Sidey: Yeah, huge.
Reegs: But in the opening credits Jessica Fletcher shoots a gun with a little bang.
Sidey: Oh right. Okay. And isn't the Looney Tunes thing when they say that's all folks, isn't that on a flag? Or am I imagining
Dan: going to say, isn't there something with
Sidey: Yeah.
Dan: Roger Rabbit as well?
I'm sure there's some kind of bang thing
Reegs: do do do. That's more curtains, I think.
Sidey: Almost certainly. Cast your mind back a little while ago, and we watched Master and Commander. Do you remember
Dan: certainly. Oof. Cast Your
Sidey: Crowe with exceptional hair. And there is the very, like, like, pivotal scene where they do the old switcheroo with the flags, and they put the whaler flag.
On their mast,
Reegs: Yeah.
Sidey: whatever you call it. And they use that to hoodwink the disgusting Frenchies and Is there some sort of like, international law about flags and that's probably a bit of a no no? You're not
Reegs: allowed to fly the wrong flag, are you?
Sidey: allowed to
Reegs: like a war crime or
Sidey: Yeah.
But they do, but they fucking do do it and it works to great effect.
Yeah, and it was a great film too, I think.
Dan: Well, just trying to get around the world, I had Madagascar because, you know, it's
Sidey: place.
Dan: it's a place and it's got a flag, but
Reegs: on, hang on. And it's got a flag
Pete: in the film? cause all, you know, all countries do have flags.
Dan: draped around. I think at one point when they're going through on a boat, they've got the flag of Madagascar, the green, red, white. Bands.
Pete: I'm familiar with it.
Dan: Yeah. But the one that I was gonna say in this was the How to Train Your Dragon Series because they've got all different flags for the different dragons and everything or Burke and everything.
And that's got its dragon emblem. And that was the film when I first went to see down at the cinema. It was like a Saturday morning matinee, matinee. And it was a, it was like for a quid, they used to do it, and it was like, oh, well, let's take, and they never showed amazing films or anything until this one came on, and then it was like, whoa, couldn't believe it.
First time I, we just strolled in, and
Sidey: Have you seen all three?
Dan: seen all three, it's got all the series, watched all the kids
Sidey: Oh, my daughter's
Dan: series, yeah,
Sidey: off the chart. Loved
Dan: loved it, and we bought books and everything, you know, we were really into dragons at
Sidey: are a lot more hardcore than the TV and film stuff. They're really fucking violent.
Dan: Well, I don't know.
I had the impression and everything down
Reegs: Who was that an impression of? That
Dan: That was impression of one of the kids in it.
Sidey: Hiccup.
Dan: Hiccup. And
Sidey: haddock. Yeah. Not well. Okay.
Reegs: You recognise that from...
Sidey: well, I know who toothless is. The dragon rider of Toothless is hiccup haddock. It doesn't sound anything like that. No. Just for the record.
Reegs: why I assumed.
Pete: Just this is genuinely not prepared, like a bit of flag knowledge, just like lept into my brain.
But there are only two flags in the world. For countries where they are not rectangular. I'm expecting at least one person in this room
Reegs: Puerto arsed
Dan: Well, there's one behind you.
Pete: What is it? Cause I can't be asked
to
Dan: flag of
Pete: Correct. That is, it's a couple of triangles, isn't it?
Dan: Yeah, it's like a
Pete: And the other one,
Dan: formation.
Sidey: I don't
Pete: Switzerland is actually square.
Sidey: because they're so Biff.
Pete: Yep. Cause they're squares. Yeah. There we go.
Dan: Thank you, Peter.
Pete: That's okay. I've got other facts, but not to do with flags as well. So I've got, so this now.
I,
saw this today and thought, I bet we've all spoken about it, so when I say we, you guys were probably talking about it and I was thinking about something else.
But I was only today years old when I found out about the fictitious country, Valverde.
Reegs: Mmm. From Commando.
Pete: before?
Reegs: I don't know, but
Pete: it's not just in Commando,
Reegs: it's in a loaded platoon, is it? No, not Predator.
Pete: It might be in, I don't know,
Sidey: I think we have briefly touched
upon
Reegs: Val Verde, yeah.
Pete: so the couple of iterations that of the flag that I saw were the Die Hard 2 which has some kind of like Condor on what looks like a Bolivian flag And then Commando, which is really odd.
It's some sort of like druid imagery or something But yeah, I didn't didn't know if we covered that. I assumed that Valverde had been covered, but it hasn't all
Dan: of Val Verde?
Pete: well That's what I'm talking
Dan: Yeah, but what is it? What does it look like, is
Pete: Well, there's two there. I've just described two of them to you,
Reegs: He literally has, yeah.
Pete: they're there, but
Dan: there, Is
anyone else not
Sidey: them to
Pete: yeah, it's ironic that I was talking about the fact that this might have been spoken about before, but I wasn't listening for you to then come in with that.
So yeah, I wanted to bring that up because I thought I'd found something that, that you nerds had
Reegs: No, we've enjoyed that before, but that's alright.
Pete: Okay. That was really patronizing.
Reegs: Oh, thanks.
Pete: I don't know
what you said. Thanks.
Dan: What did one flag say to the other? Nothing, it just waved.
Yeah, yeah,
Reegs: yeah.
Pete: YouTube
Dan: It's the way I tell him. Yeah.
Pete: like, see how bad Dan's jokes are as well as hear them.
Sidey: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We should
Reegs: so I always think of the final scenes of Spider Man, especially the Tobey Maguire. I think the first one finishes him with, like, literally clinging to a pole as the American flag, like.
Sidey: Okay, right, so I only put this out relatively late and we've had that, this has been nominated in video form.
Reegs: Okay.
Sidey: And there is a term for it, it's called flag shagging.
Reegs: Okay. Yeah. Well, this is flag shagging.
Sidey: repeatedly lands on like the, the flag pole y thing. Yeah. With it billowing behind him or it just happens to be in, on every building. I mean, America is like that. Yeah. But it's just so
Reegs: Well, it's a big thing in the comics as well. I think in Spider in Superman 2 as well, the last thing, because that's the one where Reeves becomes a prick for some reason, because Gus puts tobacco
Pete: think it is.
Sidey: Zod
Pete: Zaden. The boys is Superman
Sidey: is Superman II Superman II
Reegs: I
things. Yeah. Well anyway, when he fixes up, he fixes up the world.
He fixes up. The American flag
Dan: What's
Pete: He puts it back on the White
Reegs: House. Yeah, that's right.
Pete: with it. Yeah.
Dan: What's the one with the Hulk on it?
Sidey: the
Dan: Is it like a... banner. I
can't
Reegs: with the whole con it.
Dan: actually answering
Pete: I can't believe people were actually answering like that was a genuine question.
Sidey: Wow.
Okay well they're quite often...
You know, symbol of military victories and all the rest of it. So the one that really jumped into my mind is the flag from Iwo Jima. That's a Flags of Our Fathers movie. It was the one I thought of, which is a Clint Eastwood joint. And it's that iconic image, which I have here, but it doesn't work on a podcast, of a load of soldiers kind of hoisting it kind of like on the top of a hill with a load of fucking bodies lying around.
Reegs: Been recreated over and over and over and pared and
Sidey: And then gets people like Spike Jones to kick off because in Clint's version, there were no black marines, and yet apparently there were at the time, you know, there would have been, and they're under represented in
the movie but certainly a very iconic image. Again, it's the stars and bars
Reegs: iconic Sharknado 3, oh hell no. That image. So, rightly recognized in cinematic history. Yeah,
Dan: Oh, yeah, brings a tear to a glass. I I was in Thailand earlier this year and I went to Canton, a buddy, which is where bridge over the river. Why? That's where him, that's where he be no, it's this it's the, the story of, you know, prisoner of wars needing to make railway track and bridges and all the rest of it.
And we went down to this bridge and
Sidey: Blew it up.
Dan: we didn't know, we just kind of walked along it and walked over it and then came back again. There's all. You just think now looking at that river when you look at it, it's a big old river but you probably think, Oh, I could swim across it. It's not that far to look to the other side, but the current's really strong and everything.
And you just think, wow, that now they've got little. Hotels and guest houses and things the way down the river obviously back then it had just been jungle and there had been Horrors and kind of all kind of terrible things He would have seen just look in this river would have still just been rolling along the the same way but um right towards the end of that film as I think alec guinness is is lunging forward and falling over to blow up the bridge You see the the union jack just kind of floating and and waving in the wind and everything but
Sidey: that's That'd be pedantic.
It would be the Union Flag.
Dan: be the Union flag.
It's
Sidey: It's only a jack on the, on an HMS vessel,
Dan: only a Jack
Festival, I believe. Wow, that's strong. That's a lot of energy. That's
Reegs: is that it?
Sidey: Vexillology. Wow, that's even better. I like that.
Dan: that's a lot of
Pete: Only because I've realised all of my flags are basically like made up flags in films and it's going to be really boring to just talk about them all. I was going to ask the question, has anyone ever, has anyone ever lived in a house where you've got like, you know when people have got flagpoles in their gardens or they've got flags on top, flagpoles on top of their houses?
Anyone? Ever?
Sidey: I've not, but when a royal dies or something, someone's significant dies and you drive around here, you see how many, when, when they stick him on a half must fucking loads him over.
It
Pete: Loads of them. Yeah, like, I, I immediately
Sidey: I think how he's Howie's
Pete: Has he? Well, there we go, I've, I've, yeah, I'm obviously right. But, you know, it's really pretentious, like, why have you got a flagpole in your garden?
And why, like,
Dan: Swayze's got one in his. Has he? He's
Pete: He's just, he's just inherited a flagpole. I imagine he's gonna, like, cut it down and smoke it
Dan: Yeah. You don't think we should get one for here? The man
Pete: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I
Dan: There's a brilliant one, actually, as you go up Grooville Hill, just on the right, the bottom of the hill there.
Have you seen that flag? I say it every
Sidey: Oh, I said West Ham one, isn't it? It's
Dan: yeah, it's yeah. Yeah. I like that one as well.
Sidey: trap.
Pete: But one, one, one I did want to talk about and you see this like throughout Star Wars is the, the, the flags of both the like the. The Rebel Alliance and the like, the Empire, I guess. And The reason I mention that is because a friend of mine, he got, like, the, the two emblems, like, tattooed on either arm.
And I remember being fucking, like, absolutely, because I'd already got, like, tattoos in those places, really shit tattoos as well, that I got. And being really jealous and thinking, Why didn't I fucking think of that? It just
Sidey: must be somewhere else you get them when you're like...
Pete: I know, but yeah, then I kind of grew up and stopped getting shit tattoos.
Yeah?
Reegs: Well, Game of Thrones has got a lot of flags in it and they've all got their own banners. Famously, the Stark one is obviously a wolf,
Pete: game is obviously a dire wolf.
Reegs: A
dire wolf, the Lannisters were the lions, and
Sidey: Staff and things,
Reegs: things as well.
Pete: What, what house were the, the mountain and the, and the, and the,
Sidey: where are the other houses?
Pete: Trigla, Trigla, Trigane.
CLA
House
GaN. Yeah, they, I can't, oh, the, the, what's it the, I've forgotten their name. The Boltons, was it the Flad man? Like a, it's like a, yeah, it's like an upside down bloke on a cross with his skin peeled off. That's,
Sidey: That's what represents your house. Fucking baron, yeah.
Reegs: new significance when Creed
Dan: Ah, yes. I had this. Yeah.
Reegs: wears them in his final bout against Tony Bellew, whoever I can't remember the character's name, but that was great. And I, you know, he continues to wear them throughout the franchise and they're such an iconic, you know,
Dan: great short.
Reegs: Yeah, great shorts. Top, if we did top five shorts, I'm sure they'd be in there as well.
Sidey: Nazis are fun and,
Reegs: They like a
Sidey: they really like, like iconography and stuff.
Reegs: It's, I tell you what, it's fucking weird when you go to India because that symbol. It
Sidey: they did steal it,
Dan: means purity, and... Yeah, but you
Reegs: yeah, but you see it and I remember the first time I was like, you know, you see it quite a lot. And I was like, Oh, right.
Okay. But then,
Sidey: Am I okay
Reegs: I didn't need to like.
Pete: I right in thinking it's reversed, or is it not? Like it's the other way round.
Like The
prongs point the other
Sidey: well, in any case Indiana Jones has frequent Nazi contributions does and so lots of flags, but also I was thinking about the man in the High Castle, which is the alternate take where the Nazis won.
And so the, it's that flag is flying freely in that case. And you can often pick up a Nazi flag here in Jersey at the auction
Pete: There's loads of Nazis, every week there's Nazi memorabilia.
Well, I mean, the, the, the Jerries did like,
Sidey: the post, there was a post
Pete: on these shores for a
bit.
Sidey: Yeah. Well, there was a post on Facebook this week of someone who said, oh, I'm doing a bit of research and digging into the occupation and uncovered just how much collab collaboration there was and loads of people pardoned him, like, what the fuck? And they was like, well, what evidence have you found of all this Obviously people who did that sort of shit, but it stirred up some pretty strong feeling as you can imagine.
Reegs: do
Dan: Well something
Reegs: have anything to offer? What do you remember of the
Dan: Of those days actually you'll find I was on different shores then.
I was on different shores then.
Reegs: did you have a little crystal radio? Well, it
Dan: ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, They'll have some flags at some stage, even with the cowboys
Sidey: the confederate ones and stuff, and those
Dan: those kind of things. And I was trying to think of getting around the world. So I had South Africa's flag,
Sidey: Y upside down Y fronts.
Dan: which, which was Invictus. The movie of
Sidey: Nelson.
Nelson Piquet. and,
Dan: and winning the the 1995 World Cup, Rugby World Cup, not sort of football World Cup.
No, no, it's just the rugby, but it's I think we're pretty big there.
Pete: Bigger than that side.
Dan: and um, well, Matt Damon...
Matt Damon
Pete: not anymore. Hansi
Dan: what was his name? The Hank, Hank is it the.
Sidey: Hank, Hank... Is it the...
Reegs: Nelson Mandela.
Dan: Mandela. That's him. No. Han Cro,
Sidey: I don't think...
Reegs: was
Dan: Who was the
Sidey: captain. Hansi...
Reegs: Oh Vest of
Pete: African rugby team that won the World Cup.
Dan: That's who Matt Damon played.
Reegs: that? I
Sidey: who Hansi
Pete: I might go with Hansi Kronje again, that's someone I've heard of. Was
Sidey: captain, cheat. Oh, did he
die in
Pete: Did he die in a helicopter accident or something?
Sidey: His plane crashed.
Pete: Okay, you,
Reegs: You almost did inverted
Sidey: Well, I think they said it. No Payne Stewart's one was decompressed. His plane just crashed. I think he probably ploughed it into a cliff.
Because he'd been, like, it was a huge scandal.
Pete: Oh, it's a shame. Like Smith didn't do that after he got caught cheating.
Sidey: Well, this
Dan: Oh, it's a decent movie if I could remember how I
Reegs: anything about
Dan: yeah but it was a based on a true story sports movie of how they really needed. To win this World Cup, not just because of the sport and the history that would bring, but really to unite the country together because it was a mixed race team which needed to help represent this new South Africa after apartheid and Nelson Mandela coming out.
And it wasn't, it wasn't really going all that smooth up until that point, but then boom. You know, you've got this massive change and they, they pulled it off, haven't they? I don't know whether they, I don't know, did they?
Sidey: I don't It was that one, yeah.
Dan: a good one. It might, Morgan Freeman,
Reegs: was Morgan Freeman in that one, yeah. Oh,
Dan: was that one, yeah.
Sidey: Anyway. Anyway, let's move on. Spent too long talking about South
Pete: yeah, so there's, there's two, two here that literally adjust for the purposes of, of trolling a couple of people here. One is in all the Pirates of the Caribbean films, obviously you have the,
Sidey: the Jolly Rancher,
Pete: which which is often referred to as, as skull and crossbones, but quite often it would be like two swords underneath
Reegs: as well.
Pete: Yeah. And,
and not in fact crossed
Sidey: Yeah, there's a guy
who goes around on a mobility scooter over here who's got one, it's rad, yeah, it's really cool.
Pete: Yeah, he's a big Pirates of the Caribbean fan. And the other one is, I've only this week I've found out that Reegs dislikes Lord of the Rings. I didn't realize that.
Reegs: don't dislike it,
Pete: I've been doing my best to now, like, troll you
Sidey: It's a, no, it's a big surprise to me that Reegs is such a hater of fantasy
Pete: What a bell! But, but there's there's tons and tons of flags in in Lord of the Rings lore so much so that they they have them for like the the area like you know like Rohan and stuff like that and and Gondor have all got their own flags they're mostly triangular or very
Sidey: Well, you would have, in, in the big battles, you would have a standard bearer. You know, if someone likes to look... Why
are you
Reegs: but I want to know
Sidey: I want to know
Pete: I don't know,
Sidey: I don't know,
Dan: funny. That's not funny,
Reegs: know, he's just nerding out over in the Lord of the Rings. Yeah, they'd have had a standard
Sidey: No, but in, no, just in military stuff, you know, factually,
like, there would be someone there
Reegs: Job to just Carry
the fucking flag.
What a shit
Dan: that would have been Francois Pino's job. That was the South African
Reegs: it.
Sidey: Right, okay.
Reegs: So
you just carry the flag. What if the fighting comes over here? Nah, just carry the
Sidey: Don't shoot me, I'm a standard
bearer.
Reegs: I have a gun though? But, no.
Sidey: but that would have been someone's role, it would have been.
Reegs: just get a
Pete: There's probably like, you know, rules of engagement where you're not allowed to fuck with the guy who's carrying the flag or something like that. Because that's just an easy, easy target really. This guy
Reegs: onto the battlefield, I'm going straight for that cunt with the flag. Yeah,
Pete: but just, just banging on about Lord of the Rings, some more to upset Reegs there's, so people themselves, so Aragorn has his own flag, which is a strange shape, it involves like a tree and some stars above it and stuff the orcs have flags as well, with like, with like, sort of like fairly bleak imagery and stuff like that on it, and the Rohirrim.
So the horses, yeah. Yeah, the horse lords. So they're just like a group of people. can we eat this out some more to, to keep... You're You're, a horse. You're a horse lord.
Reegs: Yeah, yeah.
Pete: Yeah, no, that, I'm, I'm out. Minas Tirith, let's talk about that flag. Let's not.
Reegs: I guess
this is trolling myself more than anything, but sticking your tongue to a flagpole is a famous scene from that god awful
Dan: Ah, I love, I love that movie, yeah, yeah.
Christmas
Reegs: Story, yeah, yearning for an awful time in the world the fifties.
And yeah, and the little kid, doesn't he, licks the flagpole. After a dare, and the fire department have
Dan: you're gonna double dog. Dare him. Yeah. Yeah.
Reegs: Double dog daring, that's right. And memorably sort of a scene that I think pays homage to that Christmas classic movie is Jackass 2, when one of the guy freezes his balls to
Pete: to like,
Reegs: like a, a block of ice. No, not so
Pete: But funny.
Reegs: but, yeah.
Sidey: where one of ice. Not flag blunders? Jarret's the fire everyone raves about, but they really fucked it because it's obviously set the Paris Olympics of 1924. And they clearly show the US flag having 50 stars, where in fact, at that
Reegs: It would have had 48. They do the same thing, Saidi. Of course you know this, but they do the same thing in Windtalkers, the Nick Cage
Sidey: silly fuckers.
Reegs: Yeah, it's unbelievable.
Sidey: of the movie just shot down, you know, in a
Reegs: if just to like normal average people like us with barely competent flag knowledge could know
Sidey: I know.
Because even the, it even looks different because it would have been a straight grid, whereas the 50 flag,
Reegs: was a different configuration. Yeah.
Sidey: configuration. Casino Royale the good one, is the beginning set in the fictional embassy of Nambutu Yeah. However, the guards are clearly wearing the Madagascar flag patches on their uniforms. So that's a better Madagascar flag reference than Dan's.
Pete: Yeah.
Reegs: So that's a
Dan: in Thunderbolt,
Sidey: Thunderball, which is my favourite Bond film, It was, until I read this. The Panamanian flag is seen on the villain's yacht, but it's fucking upside down.
Reegs: Well, that Nambutu thing, that, that is a thing across the Bond franchise, isn't it? They have Nambutu. They have a
Sidey: Oh, that's consistent, is
Reegs: I think so.
Sidey: But are they consistently fucking it with the flag incorrectly? Wankers. Because it does have a sort of a consistent thing around Bond, you know, with his like universal exports as his cover and all that sort of stuff.
You hate Bond, don't you? I hate
Reegs: Not hate it, it's just...
Sidey: hate it. Officially hates it.
Pete: you hate everything, you.
Dan: dude. You're such a
Pete: that Martha from
Heather's film.
last week. The fat girl.
Sidey: He's totally slight shamed the chick in the mid week as well.
Pete: What is wrong with you, Riggs?
Sidey: Immediately. He was right, though.
Pete: Yeah.
Dan: there.
It's time to hoist up our
Sidey: Are we going for it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sam.
Reegs: so.
Dan: I'm gonna
Pete: Oh, I had, I had another flag that I just wanted to mention because I saw it today. I've never seen this episode, but in my flag research, it's a very un PC flag, but in an episode of family guy, there's it, it, it features, I don't, it might be one of those like skits where he like turns on the telly and there's something or whatever. No, this is to do with the special people's games, which is like a parody of the Paralympics, obviously, and the flag in the background
is,
like, it's the Olympic flag, but instead of five Olympic rings, it's five of, like, the wheelchair symbols, which is yeah, it's not
Sidey: think that's okay, isn't
Pete: at all, and I don't condone that sort of stuff.
Dan: Well, i'll start off with bridge on the river quay that would be my choice of flag
Pete: of...
Well I'm, I'm, just because I'm getting a kick out of trolling Reegs, I'm going to go for the, the minister the minister, no, I'm going to go for the Rohirrim which is the horse lords the, the flag of the horse lords
Reegs: I'm gonna go for the flag of Wakanda.
Dan: No, nice. Okay.
Sidey: I'm going to put in the triangular version of the British Union Jack called the UK7 commemorating the British colonies on Mars and Titan. That's from Alien.
Pete: Ah, read about that today. Yeah. Can I just put you up quickly? Res you, you are happy with Wakanda? Yeah. But you were saying, oh, it's really unfortunate when they give like, countries like made up names and it's, oh, it's quite a bit racist.
And they're like, you got, you are high horse Lord. Yeah. But Wakanda, you're okay with? Yeah. Okay. All right.
Dan: Cleared up nicely.
Sidey: It's cheese subscription day.
Pete: It is. And I, I mentioned last week, I think that we had refined our order hasn't. Yeah, I, yeah.
And I think we might even refine even further and just like, let's just give us like the, the hard stick, not
Dan: the hardest stick. You two are absolute purists though, because you bring some of the smelliest dog dick cheese that we've ever had
Reegs: Peter has like literally run out of like parts of his penis and balls to compare cheese to with one of the cheese tonight.
They
Pete: They do tend to lend themselves, the smells lend themselves to like dick, balls and bum holes.
Sidey: it's like it doesn't immediately lend itself to something you'd want to
Pete: Well, I quite like Dick Bulls and bumholes.
Sidey: but the fragrance of one of these cheeses, it really is quite overpowering.
Pete: It is and let's let's just quickly go through them. Now. We haven't yet. Delve into the burrito mode. Don't gay. I'm going to call it.
Sidey: It is what it is, that
Pete: I mean, it's, it's, it's gonna, it's a brie, so how good can it be? But, it's also, it's, it's the nine times winner of the coveted Medaille d'Or, which is the gold medal.
Dan: I'm holding that up for everybody
Pete: That, what you're holding in your hand has won more stuff than West Ham.
Reegs: So,
Pete: you've got to appreciate that. Okay.
Dan: quality
Pete: Now then we went and if we'd I wish we'd started Well, I'll cover off the other soft one that the pretty monster which is that is
Sidey: That's the fragrance.
Pete: doesn't
Reegs: really does. It really,
Pete: It's a I was sniffing like
Reegs: if we're quiet now, maybe the listeners can smell it because it really is that strong. Are you having some now?
Dan: Is that what i'm about? Yeah,
Pete: smell it first
Dan: Oh, dear me. Yeah, that's the feat, isn't it? That is the
Sidey: mostly with these cheeses, the taste is never, it never is
Pete: And the same, same with this
Sidey: the taste equivalent of the
Reegs: No.
Pete: because
Dan: worse than the bite.
Pete: it is, is the wash rind. It's a sticky orange rind produced by continual brushing with brine for three weeks. So that's what,
Dan: a lot of brine
Reegs: Yeah.
Pete: that the flavor is complex.
It's savory, sweet, and tangy with a final note of
Dan: Who the fuck brushes brine for three
Sidey: guys
Pete: brine. Yeah, these guys, the
Reegs: brusher.
Dan: me. Just to get that smell, I mean.
Pete: Munster Valley. Where's that? Is that Germany? Yeah, it's fucking Germans.
Dan: you're eating them,
Pete: Yeah,
Dan: doesn't taste like it
Pete: it was so I touched it and then Riggs just caught me moments ago Just sniffing my fingers and and the only thing I can say it's akin to is when you know It's like a hot sticky day and then you stick your hand down your undies for a little scratch and then come back up for A sniff.
Dan: still got to eat
Pete: yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's what you're
Sidey: it it's the kind of texture of cheese that just doesn't do it for me. It's a bit plasticky.
Pete: Yeah. Yeah. It's
Sidey: that's not my preferred consistency
Pete: okay. Right. Well, sorry.
Sidey: But, then we move on
Pete: well, so I'm going to start off now. This by itself is a solid cheese, right? And I wish we'd started there because this is the spark and ho Shropshire blue.
What a name to start off with. Will Clark makes this.
Sidey: Oh,
Pete: Yeah, Yeah, Clarky boy makes it to the same recipe as his spark ho, spark and ho blue. I don't know what, what this means. Um, Yeah, but then he just adds.
Anato to the milk. That's how
Sidey: he, that's what that
Pete: the
Reegs: say Anato.
I say Yeah.
Pete: So
yeah. It's a sort of an orange blue.
Sidey: I think he makes a red molester, doesn't he? That's for the,
Pete: He does. He makes the spark and ho red lester. Yeah, you're quite right. You're very knowledgeable about this stuff. Or you read the notes
Sidey: read the notes, yeah. Yeah. It's how, it's how you get knowledge though, isn't it?
Pete: it is by reading, yeah. The taste is buttery and mellow with a gentle spice to finish.
I think that is a solid cheese and so for you kind of like the blue lovers out there I'd say it's probably like a three out of seven on the on the strength o meter.
Sidey: But in cheese terms, I'd say that's an eight out of ten
Pete: It is an eight out of ten cheese, it's solid. Now we move on to... What is a 10 out of 10 cheese? And I think it's all the way up to seven on the strengthometer in terms of flavor.
This is the Roquefort Carle and it is made by the third generation of the Carle family. And
Sidey: Carl Drogo, who
Pete: remain one of the only family producers of Roquefort left in the region.
Sidey: And oh, my
Pete: And it even says, on the notes, this is
as good
as you will get. And I
Sidey: they're not wrong.
Pete: I cannot yeah, I can't argue with that.
It is a sensation. It's
Dan: That's that white one that
Pete: That is the white one. And it's a bit, yeah, looks like seagull shit. It's gone a bit sweaty now as well, which I like.
Sidey: yeah. It's got, where is the, the Putty Munster is all in your face, but then doesn't deliver. This one just like kicks you. Like right in the coj.
Pete: yeah, just kind of
Reegs: straight away
Pete: sidles in like not really making a great song and dance about
Reegs: Now it's like you've taken a bite out of a Petri dish at
Sidey: Yes. That's a good, yeah. AP description. Yeah, it looks like that. And it tastes like that. Yeah. Sensational.
Pete: it would be it's very acidic isn't it it would be like put a bit litmus paper on it
Sidey: and
Pete: out your hand
Sidey: We've obviously, we've laid down the law and said toast only, so we've accompanied it
Pete: IV, that's right, that's what 200mg is. I think this is
Reegs: to these
Dan: Thank you. Well, I, I feel this conversation is flagging.
Sidey: Well, that segues, it really does segue into a movie
Dan: That's right. That's what 200
Sidey: the most forgettable movie title.
Reegs: right.
Sidey: I think this is the most forgettable movie title in that I keep forgetting it, but it's it is Last Flag Flying. And I know that because I have it written down here
in
Dan: here. Well done. Yeah, cuz I got it wrong at least twice
Sidey: Yeah, it's an Amazon Studios thing. So kind of straight to streaming, although I think it may have had a limited.
Dan: May have had a
Sidey: But this is a it's it's an ensemble piece, right? So, it it works on telly. Yeah. In terms of it's really just the the three leads. Um so, it's it's features Steve Carell, Larry Fishburne, and Brian Cranston.
Dan: Yeah, some cast and and that's what attracted me to it. It was one of those weeks where I got told it was my turn. I think we were already at,
Sidey: We were pestering you for
Dan: Yeah, you're pestering and I, I bought this out because I thought, oh, that's interesting. Along with Pleasantville, which I was pleased to have caught up and chatted about in the midweek.
This one, I didn't know anything about it other than it's a comedy drama. It looked like a road movie. Had these three guys in it. There was a little bit of bumf about, you know, three reunited military guy vets were, were on their way. And I thought, okay, this sounds. I was expecting a lot of laughs in this.
How did you go into it? Had you seen it
Sidey: before? I don't know anything about it at all. And then I just
Reegs: I just saw the Richard Linklater thing
Sidey: see that until the end credits. I didn't have a clue really. And so then when he, like, so then it becomes like clear early on that they're, they're Vietnam vets. And so you're thinking, well, every Vietnam vet movie that I've ever seen is like. Never particularly like a happy story, do you know what I mean?
So that's what we, we are sucked into really. And it starts off with I think it's Sal isn't it? He's he's a bar owner.
Reegs: Yeah. He's complaining about reality TV to one of his
Sidey: Rightly so,
Reegs: He's talking about it's one of those, like, cops shows or something. Police cops. Yeah. And,
Dan: is Brian Cranston.
And yeah, he's talking to some, like, almost...
Sidey: Like,
Dan: Barfly kind of drunks, yeah.
Reegs: Because it sounds bar and grill. That he owns. And at first he doesn't recognise when Carell comes in,
Dan: Orders a beer, gets him down. He's a bit preoccupied,
Sidey: doesn't really know what to order, does he? He's like, what's good? And beer?
Dan: No, he comes in and he's quite... lost, but he sits down and he looks just,
Sidey: downtrodden.
Dan: And unsure of himself, but sits down and orders his beer, starts going, Oh, this is good beer. Starting up a conversation across the bar.
Reegs: Sal kind of shuts it down fairly
Dan: yeah, he goes, yeah, that's right.
It's good beer. And obviously doesn't recognize him until.
Sidey: that, doesn't he? He says, you don't recognise me, do you?
Dan: And then he goes, Doc? And it's, realises it's his old buddy from Vietnam. In fact he never even remembered his name properly because they all kind of had nicknames. It was Doc and it was Sal and he goes, what was your name? And he says, it's Shepherd or something, isn't it?
Sidey: Yeah. Larry, Larry uh, there's another guy in town that is also a vet.
Dan: Well they have a, they have a bit of a night out, don't they? Or a night in Sal's and he wakes up and Sal wakes up with a terrible hangover, has a beer
Reegs: Has a beer to get going
Dan: rid of that
Sidey: it's immediately obvious
Dan: a bit of pizza over the face of, of Steve Carroll's, who's
Reegs: And it's a very big performance from Bryan Cranston from the off.
Dan: Yeah, yeah, he's
Reegs: very full on and Sal is a kind of... Hard drinking bar owner vet. I mean, you know all about him straight away, broad brush
Dan: That's right, yeah,
Reegs: And he'll say anything, very
Sidey: Yes,
There's no filter.
They go, they're going to go off and meet another mate
Dan: Yeah. And, and he kind of, has this conversation. And if you any doubt who Sal was, you, you kind of pick up anything you might not have already in this conversation where he just says, you just jumped in the car.
This is Steve Carroll. He said, you just jumped in the car with me. We didn't know where we're going. You left your bar in charge of a guy who's asleep on your pool table and you don't even know where we're going. And he's like, yeah, well, you know, that's just. I mean, I didn't think it would be so fucking far, but yeah, okay,
Reegs: on the way they have a little sort of dad comedy where Brian Cranston can't believe that Eminem is white.
Dan: Yeah.
Reegs: When they're listening to the music. That was quite, I
Dan: yeah, they have that and they pull up into a church where they come into the back of the church. The sermons underway and Lawrence Fishburne is our minister and he's, he's preaching about forgiveness and love and God and all the rest of it. And they catch his attention. He welcomes them
Sidey: they stick out, don't they? Because it's an entirely black congregation. It's that sort of real preachy gospel kind of presentation where they're going through. And he's really laying it down. He's quite, you know, enthusiastic about it. Like you see that and they just plop themselves down at the back.
And Brian Cranston is kind of like rolling his eyes and making a few comments. And the lady next to him is kind of getting offended because. He's disrespecting the,
Dan: Yeah, well, he goes, skip over one stage. I think you can sit anyway. He's just moved this woman over. But anyway, they sit down and eventually find themselves sat around the table with the minister because they say, Oh, you know,
Sidey: We spot some, doesn't it?
Dan: Yeah, he used to be my buddy. This is your minister we served.
And they can't believe this guy, this guy, because you're already between them. They're kind of laughing at each other and like kids at the back going, this guy, cuz he used to be the baddest
Reegs: He was,
Dan: They knew he was, he was just crazy. He was, there was a, the Moeller, they called
Reegs: Mueller, yeah, because his, Richard Mueller is
Dan: Mueller, the Moer. Yeah. And
Reegs: I think quite quickly, really Mauler, Mueller wants to spirit them away back to
house, because he.
Sidey: he says it at the dinner table. He's like, to his wife, get them some pudding so we can, you know,
Reegs: Before
Dan: they leave, yeah.
Reegs: And so he's not so keen on, you know, he's chosen, obviously he's had a wildlife and they explore this a little bit at this point, but a lot, much more later in the movie.
Dan: We, we, we, just previous to, to the part where he's kinda asking him to move out a little bit quicker, or just after that, sorry, it, it's, we get this bombshell that Steve Carroll's wife has died at Christmas.
Sidey: Yeah. The, the Mueller's wife is asking them about their personal life and, and it's, it's all really Sal at first.
He's just being really brash and, and whatever. And then they ask about
Reegs: well, and also is this at the point where Sal reveals he's got a plate in his head,
so
Sidey: he's, he's had some fairly significant trauma as a result of the war. But Doc he says, you know, I met a lady and she's a little slow. But she's fine, you know, she'll do everything.
And he's like, oh, I didn't realize that your, your wife was retarded. And he's like, no, no, she's not. She's just...
She does things a little slower, but she can do everything anyone else can do,
Reegs: you know.
Sidey: She passed, it was just like she passed in January this year, and they were like, Oh, fuck, like, that was inappropriate, and...
Reegs: Well, and it's such a quiet performance from Steve Carell as well, you know, he's taciturn, he barely says a word throughout the movie, and you know, then he reveals this big piece of information, and then goes on to reveal more information.
Sidey: Yeah he...
Dan: he talks about his, his son being shot in, in
Sidey: two days ago, I think.
Is it two days ago he's learned that his son had been killed in action? Yeah. Well. and he says, and the reason I've come to see you guys is that I want you to come with me.
Reegs: to Arlington.
Sidey: we're gonna, you know, collect him and we're gonna go on this journey to bring him back. I'm gonna take him back. Yeah. I'm gonna
Reegs: In in my hometown and that's what's gonna go. So that's why I've reconvened the gang because we haven't seen each other since Vietnam, effectively. And...
Dan: Well, they, they go to Arlington though, don't they? They first...
Well,
Sidey: Preacher character. He's been sort of keen to kind of like, yes, come into my house, have dinner, but then please just fuck off. And it's his wife who says, you are not letting that guy go and get his son on his own. Like you're fucking going with him. And he's sort of reluctant.
Reegs: cuz he doesn't wanna face up to, we'll find out some stuff, but he doesn't wanna really face up to, I guess, things that he's already the past.
Dan: surpassed. Yeah. He doesn't wanna look back at that, that time. And he, he says, this was a very dark period in my life.
These guys represent a period of time I, I just don't wanna be thinking about anymore. But his wife has, says, you need to go and, and get around that how, you know, go and support him. So, He does. And and Sal, who's, who's kind of just up for anything, jumps. Yeah, yeah, he's like, right, let's go. And so they head off to Arlington which is, looks like to be a drive through the night and they get there and Steve Corral's got a piece of paper and he's saying, Oh, it's not here.
We've got to go to, like, Delaware or something, there's another base where they're, they're meant to be flying them in, but he's not said a word of this, he's obviously still completely confused, he doesn't really know how he feels, he, he's, he's, he's a whirlwind
Reegs: And I guess also while he's doing this, you know, Sal and, and Mueller. Having these sort of constant philosophical debates, really, about Sal's atheism, and Mueller's sort of newfound,
Dan: Moola's sort of newfound calm and, and spirituality does manage to in a few kind of conversations managed to get him shouting Moola I know, like, yeah, I thought I'd lost him forever there
Reegs: Well, because he reveals, I think pretty early on, a pretty crucial piece of information. It comes out a piece by piece. First of all, we know that something bad happened because, Doc carries the shame of spending time in the brig.
It's one of their all permanent reminders because Doc's, yeah, Doc was in the brig. Sal's got the plate in his head. Mueller's got the bad leg. And, you know, there was some suggestion they were getting high on the morphine that was handed out to, like a lot of American soldiers were in Vietnam. And yeah, later that will play out even more, I guess.
Dan: Yeah. Yeah.
Reegs: So yeah, they do eventually go from Arlington to Delaware. Did you say? It
Dan: Yeah, I think it was somewhere. some base where they had to go.
Reegs: Some enormous aircraft hanger.
Dan: that's right. And it's not just them. When they get there, there's maybe seven coffins or something.
And there's families from each of those kind of soldiers, fallen soldiers sat on the chairs, sobbing and sort of silently watching and things and they kind of walk in.
And it's, it's such a weird kind of room and everything. And there's an
Reegs: it's huge, highly sterile environment. Yeah. Basically. And, you know, there's like, I would say taken to the mess hall, but it's just like a table in the corner in this warehouse.
Like,
Dan: And, and they, they've, they've obviously got the the body in this coffin over the flag draped over it. And. They speak to the colonel and he's saying what a hero he is
Sidey: Yeah, it gives him the official story
Dan: this spiel
but Sal goes I think he says can I see him and he goes, oh, it's not a good
Sidey: not a goes to see him
Reegs: Well, Doc, Doc, Sal kind of puts the idea in his head. He, cause, he says,
Dan: He said I would want to see him. I'd want to see him if it was me, but you know, that's me and he and He's in such a a kind of I don't know a whirlwind of emotions and everything else. He goes. Yeah Yeah, I'd actually want
Reegs: say I think Doc is potentially a bit slow witted as well, shall we say?
Like in the, in the same
Sidey: manner.
Yeah, I think you're right. Is a lot of times he's like, I think he mentioned earlier, Ric, he's just completely like a passenger in the film at times when all the chat is going. He is just sat there and I think that's what they're alluding to. But
he I was going to say something personal, but
Reegs: I won't because it's a bit
Sidey: well, okay. I could tell you, so wanting to see someone after they pass, that's like really personal thing. Right? So when my son died, I didn't want to see him again. But my missus did so different. Strokes for different folks, I guess. Right. So, but he does want to see him but the difference is I think he's been shot in the
Reegs: Yeah, in
the back of the head. So the exit wound is in the face, and the colonel says to him, this is very distressing, and you cannot unsee what you've seen.
And he doesn't advise that you see it.
Sidey: No, but that's it'll advise. Anyway, he does that. He does go see him but while he goes off to see his son for the last time, he's the The real truth comes out about what's happened and he's been shot doing a coke run, but literally buying coke, as in Coca Cola.
Reegs: character, we shouldn't skip too much over this character.
Yeah. Quinton. It's Quinton or something, isn't it? I don't know who the actor is.
Sidey: It was definitely Wash Carrington.
Reegs: Jay Quinton Johnson.
Sidey: Yeah, he's playing like, can't forget Corporal Washington. Yeah. He's rank call for and he's, he knows what's happened and he tells Sal and Mueller that he was actually shot while he was just buying some Coca-Cola.
Reegs: Well, they were, they were on a school supplies mission. That's what they were doing. They spent a week humping iPads and you know, all stuff to set up a school. And every day they would go to Abdul's Market, I think, to buy Coke's and it was Washington Corp. Lance Corporal Washington's turn to go. And he didn't go.
And in fact, Larry's son, Larry Dock, Larry Jr. JR. He went
Dan: out, yeah,
Reegs: and was shot in the back of the head buying cokes. Just,
Dan: And then they kinda talk about their retaliation, after all, what did you do, cause Sal was asking him, as Dock's just sat. Having looked at the the larry in the coffin he's and they're having this
Reegs: is kind of going on in the background almost, you know, Carell is quietly just looking at the body.
There's no massive grief, you
Dan: No, but there is sal was kind of just Getting the lowdown and obviously Muller's there as well, and he's listening and they're going what you gonna do now then what what do you say like, you know, and then they've got this moral dilemma because
He knows he's just been fed a load of bullshit like, you know, and and Sal doesn't like that.
He's he's got no authority Respect for authority when it comes to the colonel and he's saying that I listened to you when I was back. Yeah
Sidey: they almost, as in the Marine Corps, see it as this holy, you know,
Reegs: This duty.
Sidey: this ground where it's like sacred and a member of the Corps has to fucking go there and you belong to
Dan: say that they own them for another hundred years. Like, you're a Marine, you're
Sidey: goes in that ground and he's ours for a hundred years under that ground.
Reegs: you're buried in your uniform.
Sidey: And it's very explicit, you know, it's all military and blah, blah, blah.
And the Doc's like, no I don't want that for him. He's coming home with me tonight. You're going to make it happen and the the colonel is like, oh, he's very he wants to talk to him but he knows he's not going to be able to at this moment in time. So, he does arrange for this stuff but Sal is really pushing his button saying oh, I'd love to met you on the field.
You know, one of us would have got fragged and one of us is he's just like anti authority. And this guy, he's taking it. You know, while they're having, and he just gets out the radios or telephones to say, Look, I need you to make some stuff happen, you know, tonight. But then, he has the conversation with
Reegs: Washington.
Lance Corporal Washington.
Sidey: And he fucking screams at him. He's like, listen,
Reegs: You make
Sidey: he fucking comes back with us. He's, he's in the Marine Corps.
Reegs: He tells him the number one thing. He tells him that guy is buried in his uniform. That is that wherever if he's buried at home, he must
Dan: graduation suit. I'm having him in a fucking graduation suit.
Sidey: that Sal might look like a fucking drunk or whatever, but he's fucking dangerous. You watch out for him and that other fuck Mueller. Just because he reminds you of your father. Yeah. Don't fucking trust him. You know, he's the fucking enemy as well. And I think he basically instructs him. Was he joking?
To kill him if he gets in his fucking way?
Reegs: He said, do what needs to be done to make this happen.
Dan: Yeah. I wasn't sure if he, he kind of took it that that's not an order son.
Sidey: Yeah, I'm not ordering you to do that, but...
Dan: but a, yeah. Yeah.
Sidey: And so they, they, they, now it's
Reegs: in command of a
Sidey: Yeah. It's a train
Reegs: Suddenly, you know, the, the logistics logistic of logistics of it become clear cuz they wheel the coffin out. Al and Mueller it can only be discharged into a member of the armed forces or the clergy. And he's like, well, look at me.
I'm he
Dan: his little collar, white collar on.
Reegs: just wears his little collar on, um And, and the woman's giving some really strange looks to Muller over
Sidey: and,
Dan: Muller's had enough anyway. He's like, look, I've done my bit. I'm going home now. And he's left to get a bus ticket. And Cranston, just as they're beginning to thaw each other out a little bit and, and warm to each other they're splitting up and he's going and he said, right, well, okay, I've got this, this, was it U Haul truck or something?
And I'm going to go and pick up the, the, The coffin because it's the train is after this this goes down. They won't let him leave will they and they also find out that
The Muller is is taken by the homeland security as a
Reegs: At the
Dan: Terrorist yeah,
Sidey: well they see him praying, don't they? Kind of like paranoid about someone praying, I don't know.
Dan: They've yeah, that's right the lady in the Rental offices reported it in and said oh she'd heard something this guy and they couldn't quite say when what they wanted the van for You know full paranoia
on the TV you just see
Reegs: Well, there's been a few references
Dan: Saddam Hussein being taken down though,
don't
Reegs: and his son's being shot earlier as well because Correll relates to that, like, oh, both of our
Sidey: well, he says, is it worth it? And he just keeps going through. And then George Bush appears and was it worth it for him?
And would, would he trade his daughter for blah, blah, blah,
Dan: for him, and would, would he trade his daughter for blah blah blah. They're unmasking really the the lies that they said. Oh, look he he did he died in glory and it was you know Defending the troops. No, it was just like he he walked out He got shot in the back of the head when he's going to get a coke and he's trying to put all this together with the story of Fucking what is it for like, you know?
I'm, not even getting a straight story here and they've obviously got their own experiences as well in the war when at the bullshit that they saw
Sidey: Yeah, they're, they're certainly like, Sal's is really cynical about it and he says, you know, oh, we couldn't fucking pull out now because all the, all the dead people's memory would, you know, the, they would just count for nothing.
And so,
Dan: that's it, yeah.
Sidey: there's a lot of sort of. I guess the person who wrote the book that this is based on had a specific opinion on the conflict, I guess.
Dan: Yeah.
it's all kind of emotional, not going through the many laughs I thought this film was going to bring,
Sidey: I would say that this, at this point now, because they, the three of them do get back together and they go on the train and
Reegs: it's great, the
Sidey: the coffin is being guarded by an army. Is the army or is it navy? He's not a marine anyway.
Reegs: That's just the train conductory guy, but he works on a military train and was formerly marines.
Sidey: So there's that and this is the bit that I think I probably connected most with in the film where it's the guys and like you said Dan, the relationship has started to thaw and they're getting on better and they're, it just, it's just guys reminiscing about the good old days of when they were doing stuff.
Okay, some of the stuff they were doing might have been a little bit unsavory. But it's just three people connecting and and talking and helping their friend out while he's going through some horrible
Reegs: Mm-hmm.
Dan: Yeah, yeah, which is
Sidey: I mean they are there's some of the stories and they're just fucking howling with laughter about you know All the the shit they used to get up to while they're out on tour.
Yeah It's pretty good
Dan: The, the crazy shenanigans. But they, they do pull into to the little town where Steve Corral is and they get into his house. And they will kind of crash back there and they're still having this debate on on what to do. You've still got Washington there who you know, his orders are to and he's also the best friend of Larry.
So he's got this, I would like to do him a solid and like to do him. But, he's, you also know he's got this order that he needs to get him, and they resolve it really easily actually, don't they, in the film.
Sidey: they resolve It plays out quite nicely. But they go to visit someone, don't they?
Reegs: Yeah, well they're gearing up for the funeral and because of the funeral being there they decide to visit the mother of, so it comes out that whilst they were in Vietnam, there was a night when a guy died and was in agonizing pain, but basically they were all so high, they'd used up all the
Dan: they'd used up all the morphine,
Reegs: just sort of died in agonizing pain and you know, that's really the the trauma that binds them together watching this guy so they go to see his mother inspired I guess by what's happened with larry's son and the truth and wanting to tell the truth They go to tell her the truth And she's it's a great performance from her actually And she says oh, it's great to see you.
And you know, they told me my son was a hero in a heartbeat He can't do it You cannot tell her. She
Dan: in a you the boys, my,
Sidey: she busts out the family photos.
Dan: saved. Yeah, yeah.
Sidey: so this is his daughter.
Great grandmother and I think Lawrence Fishburne said, Oh God, he would have been a grandfather. Yeah. Look at that. And they're looking at the photos like, I'm not going to fucking tell. You
Reegs: ruin.
Dan: Well, it comes back to Sal, who's, who's been brutally honest in so many other ways, and it is also like talked about the, how, how can you tell people? Lies, you know, how can you not tell them the truth this, and then it's his opportunity to, to tell the truth. And of course, looking at it, he
Sidey: it's not the time for
Reegs: Very. It's, it's, you know, really done, nicely done about the why we tell the lies that we would do about, you know, very sensitively portrayed, very nuanced. They
Dan: of, yeah, they kind of go back in silence and as they sit around the table I think this suit comes out, the
Sidey: Well, Steve Carell comes out clean shaved, just looking pretty resplendent and he's suited and booted and he's got the graduation suit and so I think it will still be okay and Washington's like, no, he was jacked when he was, you know, in the court.
He'd
Dan: of timber,
Sidey: he'd, you know, been looking after himself. I think that might be a bit might be a bit snug on him now and he says, well, I'll get the pennies then and and and just pick up another suit and he's like, well,
Dan: And then you've got the, these all vets sat round there,
Sidey: What about if you just put him in he's like, yeah, and, and there's no big like drama or pushback
Reegs: well, but there's the, the letter though isn't there,
Dan: But you don't see this until...
Sidey: I think he reads that after. And the other guys...
Dan: really annoyed me that actually.
Sidey: The other guys they start talking about how fucking good you look and how great you felt when you put on your best dress
Dan: first time, how you...
Sidey: And so he's like, yeah, yeah, maybe that's, that's what we'll do.
Reegs: Well, Cranston gets all in his gear, doesn't he? And starts trying to chat up ladies as well. There's a girl at the
Sidey: Yeah, and
Reegs: on to, yeah.
Sidey: right.
Dan: Ladies as well, there's a girl. And and just before that Steve Corral has been given a, a letter by Washington Larry's best mate in case. They were to die on a on a soiree or whatever
they do, you know, sortie and
Sidey: exercise.
Dan: An exercise how the fuck he did not give him this letter like way before this point.
Reegs: Yeah, it would've, would've
Dan: don't understand
Sidey: the first time you see the fella, you'd be like, your son gave him this. Yeah,
Dan: he gave me this letter.
No, let's wait till you do all the funeral arrangements and then find out in the letter is all the funeral arrangements that he wants. It's like you could have saved himself a world of pain here.
Reegs: It does add another layer to it though, because in the letter he talks about he's glad to have served his
Sidey: Yeah, I've had a, I've had a, if you're reading this it starts up if you're reading this then you've had the notification and you know he says okay I know it's a short life but it was a good life and I know you didn't want me to serve, but even though you didn't, you still supported me, and you're like, fucking hell. Yeah, I
know, yeah, God, honestly, if you're not going
Dan: bit. Yeah. Yeah. And he said, I, I'll be with mum now and please, I'd like to be buried in my blues next to her in the family plot, which is exactly what he's done without having read this letter to find out.
So there's a real satisfaction in It's just as well. Yeah, exactly. It's just as well, it could have been really wrong.
Reegs: So he had found something, you know, brotherhood or some identity in the US military as well. So, yeah, just paints another layer to what is, you know, an interesting movie.
Dan: Yeah and that's it kind of fade to black then isn't it? It's wasn't any sort of other part through that had a lot less laughs than I thought it was going to have. I don't know why.
I mean, obviously the subject now when we've talked about it so long, that is not, you know, what you would expect to be filled with laughs,
Sidey: when they're reminiscing. I mean, there is some, there is
Dan: There are some,
Sidey: you know, some lighthearted stuff, which is amusing and they clearly are
Dan: But three, you know, fantastic actors and, and there was some chemistry between them. I thought they, they did, you know, the, some of the scenes were really good.
I like
Sidey: I thought the three of them were really good. The three leads were really good. Brian Cranston was excellent. I thought I really enjoyed his performance.
Dan: it was, it was a strange movie. To. to kind of watch. I wasn't really sure that I was in the mood that night to, to be watching it, even though that I chose it and, and we, we went on to do it. But it was it was one I'm glad that I've watched. It was the, the anger inside, I guess, is the lies that, you know, the military will tell people who've given their lives and, and things
Reegs: but they're making it more
Sidey: You see it though, you see...
by the understandable explanation... The film does it in, in two ways, don't you, because you have the lies that
doc's been
told about his son and the lie
Reegs: they, they perpetuate.
Sidey: they've perpetuated... about Hightower and they... They were fucking like raging that they, you know, they've been told, but they, you know, the flip side is that maybe it's better that
Dan: couldn't actually tell the lie themselves. They
Reegs: Well, they at least understood why the lie was told. But you know. And also, I don't know. This was interesting. Sometimes it veered a little bit into, like, almost like a sitcom. With some of the stupid, like, Cranston's phone and,
Dan: Yeah,
Sidey: yeah, we didn't even mention that.
There's a whole, there's a whole sequence about his obsession with getting a mobile phone and that was completely unnecessary, I
Reegs: But all the like
Dan: feed into much.
Reegs: the character stuff is, is really good. And I wish it leaned a little bit more into its debates about atheism and the church and stuff and spirituality, but it doesn't, it's a bit unsatisfactory, but all of it's, it was interesting to see like a time. That I obviously remember the early naughties and seeing it analyzed in this like very human way, American foreign policy and the military and the deaths and the senselessness of the war out there and all that stuff.
And the people who died in it and how that was handled and how they received all that stuff's really interesting. But a little bit of a misfire in some areas.
Dan: Yeah. It's strange. You had Steve Corra in the middle. You had like sos of like the, the devil on one shoulder and literally the, the minister is the, the angel on the other trying to find their way through different conversations or, or approaches on, on how he's gonna get through this time. There was the anger on Sal that he would've been feeling and, and that being quite mild mannered, or it seemed to be, you know, more.
Not as mad as Sal anyway he was listening to this side of things as well, kind of knowing that was right, I guess, but maybe the last scene is him talking about having or just before that they're going to get together in a, you know, he's got no one now and he said, Well, why don't you just come and work in my bar?
I need to get the old, I need to get the old grill of Sal's bar and grill going up again. And maybe we can
Sidey: isn't he?
Dan: And he, he's doing that, so Yeah.
Reegs: made his life better having him back in it,
Dan: it. Exactly. And they're, they're talking about keeping in touch on these phones and things and having Yeah. You know,
Sidey: There were bits of it that were like the phone thing was weird.
I didn't
Dan: Yeah. It was, yeah.
Sidey: I, I found a little bit more of a personal connection with it because lost someone like that, you know, and the stuff about, you know, it's a thing about your mates and they've of course got the, the kind of literal brotherhood of being in the military, but just about having your friends there to help you, you know, when you're going through some fucking like pretty.
Deep stuff, you know and and still being able to laugh and reminisce about stuff and having your friends aside. I really like that
Reegs: It was very moving at some points. You know, three really good actors. And I could listen to Fishburne going, Oh, damn! And whatever.
Sidey: he was excellent he did play that role very well I would say Strong Recommend,
Dan: I would
Sidey: But we say that for everything, though, so
Dan: say Strong Recommend.
Sidey: I say this qualifies as kids, because I used to watch this as a kid.
Dan: Well that's, that's why I chose it. This was my...
Sidey: Gay porn.
Dan: Yeah,
Pete: We're recording our kids Because I remember watching, I think it was
Sidey: I would say, no, but I would say this is a family entertainment show. It was on Sunday tea time, as I recall.
So it did clash with Songs of Praise, which we used to watch religiously. But anyway this is Bullseye. Yeah. So,
Dan: Jim Bowen.
Sidey: of darts and general knowledge. They make a a big point of
Dan: Explaining.
Yeah, well this was an early episode that
Reegs: This was season one, episode four, Dan, it aired on ITV on 19th of October,
Sidey: hang on because was it not Anglia TV?
Pete: It was
Sidey: Anyway, so Jim Bowen, as we know is the host and was... Like, until it was rebooted, was always the host, right?
Pete: always the host, right? Yeah, but
Sidey: he's like, dual role in this one.
Pete: He's looking really old in
Sidey: Right. Okay. Do you want to drop the bombshell? How old would you say he is in this
Pete: F Right, so I actually thought this about everyone, contestants included, but
Sidey: Bear in mind, so what,
Pete: I don't remember
Sidey: What year was
Pete: old.
Eighty one.
Sidey: 81. Okay, so I would have been watching this... Mid 80s, I guess, when I was a kid, maybe mid to late 80s. So he was hosting it then, and so when we watched it, we watched it today.
I was like, my god, he like, looks old then, right? But Dan knows how old he was Oh, yeah, sorry, it was you. How old? Well, have a guess, have a guess.
Pete: I It is gonna be something like really, really like terrifying. Like our age at 45,
Sidey: 44. . Four. There's
Pete: a chance
Sidey: I know, I know. Literally,
Reegs: But
Pete: when this
goes out, we need to post a picture of him, a still from it, because that is the oldest looking
Sidey: as we sit here now, I'm 44 years old. Yeah. And insane. Like it. What the fuck? I, I, maybe I do look old, but not
Reegs: looks like he could be my dad.
Pete: he could be my granddad!
Sidey: easily looking in his 60s
here.
Pete: Comfortably, Yeah. And, and also the contestants as well, and I know we'll come onto it, I don't know if you're going to do like a big intro for all of them, but like, the couple, like the one who'd had a kid and stuff.
Sidey: Because he literally says at the start, it's couples and someone plays darts and someone does the general knowledge. And then he brings the first two out and I was like, well, that's clearly mother and son, right?
Reegs: Oh, well no, in the one I watched, it was Alan and Don from Port Talbot in Wales.
Oh, they're
Pete: Welsh guys, yeah.
Did you not have, did you not watch the same
episode
Sidey: episode four?
Pete: Season one, episode four. We had the two Welsh guys, we had the couple, the guy with the beard and the bird
Dan: We watched the same one because we talked about the waggling of darts.
Sidey: Yeah, we watched the same one.
Reegs: saw the waggling of darts as well
Dan: it is this one. It's this one. So it's the format of Bullseye. Everybody should know it, but if you don't, it's
Reegs: about the music? We haven't even listened to that
Sidey: it is.
Dan: We
Sidey: Oh,
Reegs: a
Pete: absolute classic.
Sidey: could, we could actually talk about the opening credits animation thing, because even that is like...
cartoon
Dan: is where it grabbed the kids because you got bully you it was kind of against a cartoon background It was a bull in a dark shirt. He looked
Sidey: comp on in the boozer, and he goes in, and okay, so like this whole show is just like rampant
Reegs: It's just about booze. Rampantly
Sidey: sexist, and even the, like the credits, like with the barmaid, she's got really, really protruding nipples in this thing so that was a treat.
Pete: like, the the
Reegs: Yeah, not in this one.
Pete: In this thing so that was a treat. Like the prizes at the end, like Bully would be there, kind of
Sidey: was, there was a
Pete: none of that.
Reegs: Yeah. Lacked,
Pete: was a Bully
Sidey: There was a tankard and there was a Bully, like, soft toy y thing. Yeah. In the, the ones that I remember. But this, so Jim Bowen does everything in this. He introduces them, he kind of, like, shoves them around on their to get them where they need to go. And then.
Pete: He's very natural though.
Sidey: There was another guy who used to stand by the dartboard when I, from what I recall, but not in this
one.
Dan: to Tony Green or it's
like
Pete: dartboard when I The first couple that came out,
Reegs: Cuz if you come in with a steel chair or whatever, he
Sidey: doing the first, the first couple that came out, and the one that I think Dan and I watched, the darts player He's a relatively young lad, and he says, Oh, do you play a lot of darts then?
And he goes, Fridays. And he's clearly, like, fucking terrified of being on television. He's so out of his fucking element. And Jim Bowen just fucking bullies him. He's like, Oh, what, just once a week? He's like, yeah, just at the pub on Friday. It's like, oh, and the rest of the week you just don't bother. And he's like, right, you go sit over there.
The, the, his partner that looked like his mother, but maybe it wasn't. It's like, you go, what do they call it? The brain
box or
Dan: they call it? The brain box or something? But
Pete: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dan: a few
Sidey: but he cracks a few jokes and there's nothing, no, nothing
Dan: to regret. Carries on, he's just so awkward, he's just so, like, cringy when he's welcoming people, and they're really from what I, you know, as you say, uncomfortable, it's TV, back in those days, what, you're on TV,
Sidey: Yeah, yeah.
Dan: that is
Pete: They're
they're definitely not, they're definitely not picking people for like their charisma or their DARS ability or their fucking general knowledge.
Dan: No.
Sidey: knowledge.
Pete: it's, it's just like people that they must have, they just gone round like local villages with like a, a tom bowler and like they've picked out, they go, oh, right, you're going on bullseye. It's like, fuck. I dunno. Any, any answers to
Dan: You had all these northern clubs, didn't you, back in those days, and they would have been doing, you know, they would have found... Their contestants from these because a lot of them were all up north came came in. We had a scottish couple. I watched actually a couple So if i'm getting confused, you know over to other couples because I went into a bit of a bullseye rabbit hole after this and started watching a few more but Basically, you're right pete.
Nobody could answer any of the questions that the money is funny now looking back, isn't it? You're going
Reegs: go for ten pounds?
Dan: is for 10 pounds. This is oh, that's okay
Reegs: I'm not going to risk it.
Pete: Right, okay, so I think we can, we can resolve if we all watch the same one. Was was Eric Bristow in it? Eric Bristow. So, Reegs and I watched the same one, which was season one, episode four, and it had Eric
Sidey: cockney. Yeah,
Pete: Crafty
Dan: Yeah,
Reegs: And he's all surly, and he fucks it as well. He
Pete: fucks it, and only gets, like, in three rounds, only gets 165. That's how much money they have to give to charity.
Sidey: had a fucking right result with
Dan: that one.
Sidey: the first, first round is general knowledge and they, they have, well, first of all, you have to go closer to the bull and the, and the first guy who only plays on a Friday, he nearly missed the board,
Pete: Oh yeah, we,
Reegs: We had one of those,
Sidey: it was so close.
And then they have the general knowledge where you can go, like you say, 10, 20, 25,
Pete: History, sports,
Sidey: to nominate a category. And even if they miss, you still get the question.
Pete: Faces.
Sidey: Then after that. You have ads, and then it was the charity round where they had a professional,
Dan: But you, just before there, you've got the, before you get onto that bit, you've got the break where he knocks out the first, the, the contestants that have come, Lois, basically,
Sidey: He might have done He might have
Dan: well he might as well have done, so he goes up and, and they've won like 30, and he
Sidey: Literally was 30 It's
Dan: it's gonna take me a few minutes to count this out, so, you know, you go off,
Sidey: Honestly,
Dan: you think,
Sidey: honestly, this had me in stitches because he's got the fucking cash in his pocket.
Reegs: Yeah, yeah, yeah. . Yeah.
Sidey: He just brings out what a cash and he's like, 10 2030 right?
Dan: off. They
Reegs: They get some like tungsten tankered
Dan: Tungsten darts, they're good then. Hold on to
Sidey: Chalk holder and my missus really baffled and she and she
Pete: I'm
Sidey: she went well, she goes, this is really sexist. It's like no, no, they Like, they pick who the darts bear and the general knowledge bear, it's just that the lads play darts.
Reegs: it's sexist. So I've got one, there's a lady special episode of Bullseye where Jim asks them all what their husbands do. right?
Sidey: so, the one that Dan and I watched, it gets to the charity bit, and after my missus had said it, and it fucking is sexist, like, And then he goes, right, and we've got we've got a great guest for you today, and it's she, and I was like, here you go. So it's this lady, she won the,
Dan: name?
Laura Duggan or something,
Sidey: Butlin's, the Butlin's blah, blah, blah.
She won that in 78, 79, 80, and 81.
Dan: or something, yeah.
Sidey: And then he goes, she's single. And you're like, what the
Dan: Then he goes, what's a good looking girl like you doing single light? You know,
Sidey: clearly a lesbian.
Pete: a looker?
Sidey: Anyway, she gets up to throw and
she hits 81 with the first three. Then she goes. Bang, bang bang 180 and you're like, fucking nailed it.
Pete: she nailed, like, Bristow got 165 in 3
Reegs: Yeah.
Nine dots.
Yeah.
Sidey: In nine dot
Dan: 165. Not easy
Pete: that charity went under that year.
Reegs: Just
Sidey: Bri for this slot. They, they won about, cause they double it, don't they? So they were, they were over 600 quid. They, they did all right.
Reegs: I watched a compilation of like funny moments on Bullseye and there was there was one that was an answer to a question was Camp David and Bowen goes, is Camp David the presidential retreat? Not the lad in the costume department.
Pete: This was,
Reegs: It's terrible, isn't it? It's terrible.
Dan: Bowen goes, it's Camp David, the presidential retreat, not the lad in the costume department. That's embarrassing! That's terrible, isn't it? Terrible.
Sidey: they were talking and I had to fast forward it. I couldn't, I couldn't live with myself watching it. It was so fucking excruciating. I just wanted to skip to see what they won. So they did the thing and they won. Like, a washing machine, and a tea's made, and some champagne. Woo, everyone's really excited about that.
Dan: Some cut glasses, I mean, the
Reegs: a fucking car in ours. Well, They
Pete: So
Sidey: So, Dan and I were fucking enraged, right? Because it goes through, and they said, do you want to gamble? And straight away, the missus was like, yeah, we'll, we'll gamble. So, they go, but she did okay. She got 45, I think.
Dan: yeah, 46, 45. She was
Sidey: Yeah, 46, because he needed 55.
So, I was like, bang. And the guy was decent, even though he was left handed. So, he goes. Twenty.
Dan: boom, 2020.
Sidey: And Jim Burns stops him, right? So you know dance is like a, it's a rhythm thing. Bang, bang, bang. It's like, wait, wait, wait. All you need, all you need is fifteen. And he fucking stops him at twenty seconds.
Dan: He's not
even sure. I think Bowen,
Sidey: and he, and he steps up and he goes...
One. And you're like, I would have fucking gone mental if I was that guy.
Dan: that guy.
He put his hand over
Reegs: should have just taken it down.
Dan: You still need, because Tony Green's not there in these early episodes. So, Bowen's trying to do the math. And keep the beat. It's too much for him. He's just like, oh, slow down. Broke this, broke this guy's rhythm.
Pete: degenerative disease that makes him look like 80 odd even though he's like mid 40s. Well, we, so the one that we watched, so we had this like these fellas from Port Talbot, and the darts player was handy, wasn't he?
He was like, he was, he was nailing balls. And the other fellow, they're like the brains of the outfit was also decent as well. But the first fellow that went, he's just gone 20 double tops, double tops. So he's got 100. The fellow had to get one with three darts and he just managed. And I think he got 25. He got like, you know, the around the ball or whatever.
So they went home with a car. Which looked like the shittest car. I
Reegs: know what it was, it, it was
Pete: it was a red car. It was in a big bow. It
Sidey: It was a Nissan something or other that they could have
Pete: something or other. it
Sidey: one.
Pete: Which
I, if, if someone said to me, What's the main prize that you can win on Bullseye? It'd be Bully's Special Prize. It was just Bully's Prize.
Didn't even call it Bully's Special
Reegs: And also what it wasn't, was a speedboat. It
Sidey: Yeah, this is like the early
Pete: handy in Yorkshire.
Reegs: Do you know the story of this? The the producer bought one. And, as part of getting a discount on it, that's how they ended up with a load of speedboats
Pete: That's amazing.
Sidey: Yeah. Wow.
Dan: brilliant. So,
Pete: this brought back so many. It's such a massive like trip down memory lane, like nostalgia fest and everything I'd forgotten about.
We used to go around school going all super smashing
Sidey: yeah, yeah.
Pete: but he does it like with everything that they say say like, oh, where are you from? Like fucking wherever like the moon.
And it's just, all his reactions are either super, smashing or great, he's just like, superlative,
Dan: BFH! Well he hadn't quite got the catchphrases in in this early episode but I remember it like BFH bus fare home. Everybody would laugh every week. It's the same fucking joke. The ADAB.
Keep out the black, keep into the red. Nothing in this game, two in a bed.
You've got the time until bullies board revolves to make your decision and he'd have it down There was some people that wouldn't gamble
Sidey: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dan: and then and then I watched one of the episodes that two people didn't gamble And it went down to the third one but the people that won on the set they had like a hundred and sixty quid and you think You on TV, why would you not gamble?
But they go, no, no, we've had a great time. We're happy with what we are.
Pete: buy you a gaff in
Dan: That was,
Reegs: I was about to say that.
Dan: going, that was going back, so didn't want to do it, but,
Pete: did have some, even though he didn't have the catchphrases or hadn't established them, he did have some patter, like in the one Riggs and I watched when it was the... You know, like you go for it. You got the prize board. So he'd, if you hit it, it'd be like, Oh yeah.
Number eight, you've won a toaster. And then, but if he hit the bit in between, he'd make up like prizes that, that obviously won't replace it. He's like, Oh, that one's half an onion. And stuff like that. He was like saying things that weren't real prizes
Reegs: Riffing.
Pete: He's just riffing with it. Like he's probably high as fuck, I imagine.
Yeah, it
Dan: Well, it'd be on some kind of old people medication, I would have thought. But it wasn't all laughs though, was it Dan?
Reegs: but it wasn't all laughs though, was it Dan? Because obviously as you'd expect bullseye was related featured a serial killer.
Sidey: Really?
Reegs: Did you, did you know
this? No.
John, John Cooper, a Welsh serial killer was on the show and in fact, footage of him on the show was used compared with a sketch that the suspect, Helped put together in one of the murders.
Dan: talked about his his diving. He talks about that on the show, and they were talking about how they could have disposed of one of the bodies and they would need of diving
Reegs: He talked about that on the show?
Dan: He
talks about his diving on the show. Yeah,
Sidey: How many people did he kill?
Dan: A few. He was badass, man. Like, real evil fucker,
Reegs: you wanted to think what he looked like one of the scousers from...
Sidey: Harry Enfield. That there London. Okay. Yeah. Well, that's interesting.
Yeah.
Reegs: isn't it?
Pete: isn't it?
That is interesting. I like this.
Sidey: Oh, it was like, like amazing and also excruciating at the same time.
Pete: Absolutely,
Dan: And there was, I don't know how many years, what did it run for? 15 years or something. It was.
Sidey: I guess he died, or people just lost interest because it stopped. No, he
Reegs: he died, he was 80 I think,
Sidey: He was 80 in this? But it stopped, and it came, it was revived with Dave Spikey from Phoenix Knights as the host, but
Reegs: And Alan Carr did it as well I think, yeah.
Pete: Alan Carr did Bullseye.
Dan: was, it's difficult to recreate that same feeling that I used to get on a Saturday
Sidey: or, well, we used to have, I think on the other channel you'd have dust or maybe before it was dusty bin.
Dan: Yeah, 3, 2, 1, Ted Rogers. Yeah. Yeah,
Sidey: shit yeah,
Pete: yeah. yeah. well.
I mean, it was, yeah. At the time it was,
Sidey: well. you fuck all asked to watch.
Dan: This is
Pete: exactly. You got nothing else to watch, but it was like, yeah, I, I used to sit and watch it with my granddad and like absolutely gripped by it, like fucking no interest in dance whatsoever. Or like answering questions either.
Dan: You could, you know, you could answer the questions. You could call them shitted darts. Or, wow, that's really good. Not very often. You'd have a go at looking at the prize board. And even though it's naff as that, you could win a Walkman. And,
Sidey: You wanted to get that person who won every prize.
Dan: Well,
I watched an episode of somebody who won everything.
Won a load of money. Gambled. Two of them. Won. And do you know what they won?
Pete: A fridge.
Dan: The shittest thing I've ever seen
Sidey: West Hampshire.
Dan: no, it, it was a fashion a fashion shopping spree.
Gutted. These two guys though, one of them was like six foot eight. The other one was four foot two. They just looked like they had no, you know, the same clothes, all twisted.
Pete: all of the contestants could have done with a
Dan: Yeah, well, this was, they were horrified, visibly horrified when they got this.
Pete: on display in our one as well. Yeah.
Reegs: And tashes, grey
Pete: Yeah, and there's some really hideous bird with teeth that look like fucking,
Dan: yeah,
well, some something,
Well, I, I, I don't know how many episodes they did. This wasn't one of the ones I remember watching as a kid.
The one that you and I watched side.
Sidey: Oh, I, I, but I inflicted this on my family. So I
Dan: Oh, inflicted would watch more. Yeah
Sidey: well, they wouldn't. We got about five minutes in and I just heard my daughter lean over to...
Her mother and go, can we watch something else?
I was like, look, this is what we had to watch when I was a kid. So you just fucking put up and shut up.
Dan: it. And they're only like 25 minutes or something, aren't they?
25
Sidey: It's quite a long 25 minutes if it's excruciatingly bad for like, you know, a youngster now watching this.
Reegs: I did quite like the fact that I didn't have to concentrate very much
Sidey: I would say like, it's an absolute time capsule of, you know, that period in time.
Reegs: A dark, dark period of time.
Sidey: Yeah.
Dan: period of time. Go
Pete: Strong recommend.
Dan: If I
Sidey: I nominated, then you nominated Dan, and then it's, so it's someone over there to nominate for next
Pete: next week. I can't mate, next week.
Sidey: Keep crying.
Reegs: And we probably won't see Chris if you're listening, Chris, we'll, out for you,
Sidey: out. Yeah, Chris is still stricken and, and poorly. So we're sending lots of love and good vibes to Pete.
Pete, you're, you're fine relatively
Reegs: I'm not sending any good vibes towards Pete,
Sidey: No, no, none whatsoever. But yeah Chris going to be getting further treatment.
Reegs: Maybe by the time this comes out, he'll be feeling a lot better, let's hope so.
Pete: Yeah,
Sidey: we do hope so. Yeah. And someone needs to nominate. So it's probably going to be it's looking
Dan: it's looking that way, Riggs. Make it not something that's
Sidey: no horrors. Dan's
Dan: No
Sidey: horrors, no
Dan: am actually
Sidey: I am actually thinking about nominating hereditary. But anyway, that will be that's def Well, I've actually, the next time I nominate, I'm already sorted for those, but it'll probably be the time off that
Reegs: Oh, I'm so into watching hereditary, I,
Dan: I don't know if we had some good noms from the people out there in, in the world as well.
So, I wouldn't mind one of them if if Reegs makes a horror. Yeah, yeah, if Reegs makes a horror, then we can always then suggest something else.
Reegs: Ugh, Viggs out.
Pete: too. Lou,
Dan: Dan's gone.
Reegs: That's almost worse than TTFN.
Pete: I.
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