Lady Bird & Is It Cake? Too

Lady Bird

Reegs: Welcome to Bad Dads Film Review, the podcast where a bunch of dads who sacrifice their precious movie nights for the joys of parenthood reunite once a week to stir up some cinematic chaos. Like many of our listeners, I was born, and it seems absurd we could get to whatever episode this is. 336, I think, and not have covered this, but we haven't, so we're starting things off with this week with a look at the top five births.

And I have actually attended the birth of two actual humans. Yeah, incredible. And I think I speak for every single man out there who has witnessed this when I say thank fuck my body doesn't have to do that. Um, Yeah, we're gonna get that one in really early, are we? Yeah, okay.

Dan: say two.

Sidey: I think all of us here have done two,

Dan: Yeah. I thought I said two. Yeah, well three if you count your own.

I

Sidey: can't remember

Reegs: I don't remember that one,

Sidey: The day your face touched your mum's

Dan: Yeah.

it's all in kind of.

Sidey: Yeah, that happened.

Reegs: Yeah, so it turns out that watching your children being born is actually a pretty emotionally sort of charged experience I even put down my phone for a few minutes to watch it and then at the end of it They hand you a squealing squirming creature, which you then have to take home and look after forever

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: And for some reason we did it twice.

Yeah, so

Dan: I remember the first time going out and... Like, literally looking over my shoulder, thinking somebody's going to stop me at some stage, like. You know,

Reegs: this is wrong to

Sidey: Like like,

Dan: Yeah, this is, there's no manual, I don't really

Sidey: second time they just basically drop kick you out of the hospital like fuck

Reegs: yeah. Yeah, they do. Basically. Yeah. I remember taking my eldest home the first time and they said, oh, it's like putting a pee in a drum when you put 'em in the car seat, and they're just like, This

Dan: tiny Yeah.

Reegs: Anyway, while the rest of the world goes Barbie crazy, including my own family who've given it a rave review we'll instead be taking a look back at where it all started for that film's Greta Gerwig, as we review her 2017 coming of age story of mother daughter angst in Lady Bird. And as if all that wasn't enough, our final segment of the show is dedicated to answering one of life's ultimate and most profound conundrums, after Who am I?

Where do I come from? What is my purpose? Where am I going? We'll be asking, Is it cake? As we review the hit, smash hit Netflix TV series. Quick warning before we start, we're bigger hypocrites than Jordan Henderson, so things get seriously spoiled around here. Get ready to experience more revelations than a conspiracy theorist in the grips of a

And the language can be a little bit moody, so parental guidance is advised.

All that's left to do is introduce the dad, starting with Sidey, who can recite the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy in Elvish, the language of the Presley family. There's also Dan, who's got more throwback Thursday photos than the average history and finally there's

me, Reegs. Hello.

Dan: All that? well good.

Sidey: We had a night out, didn't we, on Friday?

Dan: Still jaded from it

'cause I was,

Sidey: and Pete. Pete was there as well, but he's not here

Reegs: had two nights out, didn't we? Really, in six days we had two nights out. That's a lot for me. That's probably

Sidey: That's you for the year. It was fun, wasn't it? We had like...

Dan: champagne

Sidey: had food, and we had booze, and we had a hot tub. It was good fun.

Reegs: was

Dan: It was.

Reegs: Pete lost the football.

Sidey: Oh yeah.

Dan: He missed from just under the bar. Like he skied over. It's terrible. But yeah, good. Good evening down at Paolo's. And I did. On top of that, I managed to squeeze in a few films this week.

Reegs: that, managed to squeeze in a few films

this I

Dan: I thought it might have been before that. I I had an earlier night than than everyone else,

Reegs: before that.

I had an earlier. Yeah, I binged,

Dan: surfaced, you'd watched like seven films or something. Yeah, I'd binged, I've been through a bit of a Star Trek phase actually and I started to watch like the old Picard ones.

Yeah so

Yeah, well I didn't want to go to the the really Awful ones so I checked out on the IMDB scores and I watched the high ones but not the new ones

Reegs: to

Dan: Yeah, so Rafiq Khan, Undiscovered Country, and then there was another one after that, that I

Sidey: Well, those are Kirk.

Dan: Yes, yeah, so it was

Sidey: Yeah,

Dan: two with Kirk and then one with Picard.

There was one with Picard and Kirk,

I didn't watch that

Sidey: It's fairly, fairly pants

Dan: Yeah, yeah.

Reegs: And Tom Hardy's in one of them as well, isn't he? Nemesis,

Sidey: Structure Nemesis, he's sort of...

Reegs: of... He's a Borg or something,

Sidey: Ah,

okay.

Dan: Ah, okay. Well, I may watch more of them but I, the ones that I did watch, I enjoyed. I watched a film called Old, which is on Netflix.

Reegs: That may or may not feature in our

Sidey: or may not, yeah.

Dan: will,

yeah. That was quite bizarre.

Sidey: One way of describing it, yeah. Fucking crap is another

Dan: Yeah, no, I didn't think it was crap. I, I thought it was quite a... A good idea, you know, I

Sidey: quite often does that, I think, Shyamalan, that he always, for me, executes them brilliantly.

Reegs: He doesn't always stick the landing, let's say, and

Dan: Yeah, I didn't mind this I thought it was quite quite

Sidey: interesting.

We'll get into it when we may or may

Dan: we can do

Reegs: for the pod.

Sidey: Well, we've all

Reegs: We haven't done a Shyamalan film.

Sidey: we

Reegs: not? No. And there's one I've really got my eye on.

Sidey: Okay, I haven't seen them all.

Reegs: them all.

Dan: And then I also watched some more sandbaggers

Sidey: Right.

Dan: Because it is fabulous. I'm getting right to the end of that now, so I'm, I'm really

Reegs: Thank God, so we won't have to hear about it anymore.

Dan: I might watch 'em all over again.

Sidey: I didn't watch anything I don't think, apart from...

And just like boring YouTube stuff, so nothing really to write home about.

Reegs: Yeah, yeah, same. Same.

Sidey: Oh, that's bullshit, I watched The Flash. It's awful.

Reegs: Yeah.

I watched the only scene I really wanted to see of it, of all the supermen. I watched that in a really shitty YouTube bit 'cause I

couldn't be

Sidey: YouTube the best way to do it, to be honest.

Yeah, it's

Dan: it's

poop. won

the miss, right.

Sidey: I think we completed last week's... Top five last week.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: What was it?

Sidey: What was it? Probably.

Reegs: Flags.

Dan: It

was, it

Sidey: Oh breeches, flag shagging was, was definitely one of the ones that was going to do it. Yeah.

Dan: we're onto this

Sidey: onto Top five births.

Yeah, we've already kind of mentioned talking about, you know, our experiences of births. First one, you're all up in it and that second one has been like, well, we've done this before. So yeah, it's not a

Reegs: Well, the first one,

Sidey: because the first one you do, you do classes and you do group meetings and that's how we kind of

Reegs: how we con connected

Sidey: And all of that. But you still don't really know what it's going to be, well you've got no fucking idea what it's going to be like.

Reegs: No,

1. It hits you like a train parenthood, doesn't it? And there's sort of no going back really. But the birth itself for the first one I had to leave my car, this is probably not the best part of the story, but I had to leave my car on the outside with the lights running and I wasn't allowed to go out of the delivery room for like six hours.

So after the amazingness of it all, and then a bit of a like traumatic hour as well, like. And then coming out to like find that my car wouldn't start at like half past seven in the morning outside the hospital Was so a kindly taxi driver helped me jump start it or something. So when the second one came along it dropped the missus and she's like no the kid's coming I'm like, yeah, i've got part the car though.

I've got part the fucking

Dan: got time. We've got time.

Yeah. I remember racing up actually getting the getting the call 'cause

She'd. Been over she was waiting the night in the hospital and they were gonna induce her in the morning So I sound one last kind of remember I was watching them. My name is Earl. Remember that show?

Reegs: Yeah. It's the memorable parts of jail birth, isn't

Dan: and then I was like got the call and to peg it down in my little

mini Metro And I was got about 70 guys I'm trying to get there in time and then everyone's closed like you couldn't get in the hospital It was it was like You had to go in through like rushing rushing trying and then it just all slowed down as people just said yes one minute and you're just there come on come on I need to get in and I had to go through accident emergency I remember going up the stairs getting to the labor room and Jana was just

bent over like breathing.

I looked and I walked straight back out and I just started laughing like really, like hysterically, like, you know, just like I couldn't stop. I had to slap myself in the face and then go back in. She hadn't seen me kind of walk, walk back out to slap myself. But yeah, it's memorable.

Reegs: It's quite, yeah, it's quite an experience, isn't it?

Watching a person being, like, birthed into the world, that is.

Sidey: burst into the world, don't want us discussing that, our

Reegs: No, yeah, we should, yeah, I got involved, yeah, of

Dan: Yeah, I saw...

Sidey: way. No way, man. I was sat at the

Reegs: you're only gonna see it once in the...

Sidey: I don't wanna see it at all. Fuck that.

Reegs: I think it could depend largely on, you know... My wife was able to do two, like, totally natural births, which is a really fucking astonishing thing to see. But, obviously, not all births are like that. There are all different types of births and,

Dan: well, I'm thinking of the one in my first nomination here. Well, it's more of a dream sequence. I think it's the fly.

Sidey: That's right. Is it is it's a

Reegs: That is a type of birth,

Dan: Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: of a nightmare than a

Dan: it's more of a nightmare than a dream. It's, it's the kind of I don't know, crazy moments where you just. Obviously, Jeff Goldblum has slept with this woman sometime after already going into the, the machine and seeing the first signs of becoming a fly and everything. So, when she's pregnant, I'm not sure if it's his dream or her

Sidey: It's

Dan: it's her

Sidey: Gina Davis, yeah.

Dan: And and it's a maggot. It's, it's a, it's a bloody maggot. It's, it's really bad, like disgusting. And it was and it wasn't CGI. They'd actually got this huge maggot. No, I guess not. It was,

Reegs: It wouldn't have been CGI, it was 1986,

Dan: it was a yeah, it would have been a puppet slug,

Sidey: It's Cronenberg and he's he's great at all that kind of body horror stuff.

Yeah, it's really effective. It's good. Really good.

Dan: Well, I mean, that was one of the first kind of horrors, I guess, that I'd seen.

I don't know what year that came out. It must've been 86. Yeah. So I'm like,

Reegs: Me and Si did it for the pod.

Dan: probably did. Yeah. Probably didn't see it when it came out, but a few years later, maybe when it hit TV and I was a little bit older but it was still that moment and yeah, no, it's fantastic film. Yeah.

Reegs: Go on, Side, what have you got? Birth Us.

Sidey: Let's get into old because we mentioned it earlier. It's M night Shyamalan and it's it is a good idea. It's a holiday resort that people go to and a select few are told about this incredible secret beach that you can go down to.

Yeah. And they're selected and they go off and the first people that they're told they think it's just gonna be them but there's other people there. Yeah. And we have seen a few things going on but it's not clear at first.

Reegs: There's a rapper called Midsize, Midsize Sedan.

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah, mid-size

Dan: Mid Size sedan.

It's a great name for a rapper. Is it? No.

Reegs: I think

Sidey: His partner just drowns.

Dan: Well, we get this kind of scene before don't we where there's this beautiful blonde girl who drops her towel and goes into the sea As this fella's kind of just looking on mid size sedan as we find out and yeah, he's when they all come down onto the beach a little bit later long story short They start aging at a rapid rate, and the young, the young children...

Sidey: each other, until they're consistent.

Dan: No, no, it's, it's difficult maybe with the makeup. The kids obviously jumped up much faster, and you saw these, I think six and eleven, suddenly they're physically looking sort of in their late teens, early

Reegs: I've just remembered how this scene plays out actually.

Yeah.

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: fuck. Yeah. attack because they're tiny kids and then they're adults, and then

Sidey: but they're not adults. They're, their body is aged, but they're still, you know, fucking infants,

Reegs: but they give into their

primal urges.

Sidey: they fuck. And then because of the aging thing, she has a baby, you know, like a nanosecond.

Reegs: And then the baby dies because it's like, there's nothing, you dunno how you can't look after a baby

Dan: when That's it. They said it just turned and, and it went, and it wasn't the only death in that film. There was already about six up to this point. So people are getting kind of numb to people,

Reegs: But that all happens in a few minutes screen time,

Dan: Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: that the birth is quick and and it what it transpires is that the it's it's some sort of phenomenon because of the rock formation or

Reegs: or something,

Dan: the corals.

Sidey: coral protects them

Dan: And the

Sidey: because, and, and it's not a holiday resort.

It's a medical research company who are exploiting people with conditions to test drugs on them and see the effects

Reegs: against the

Dan: in,

a day,

Sidey: In a day as opposed to a lifetime of,

Dan: And well, that was, yeah, one of the, the, the people that goes down, she has an epileptic fit

Sidey: yeah. in

Dan: the hotel and she manages to, to calm down and settle and then they, they go, go to the beach. And I think that the last couple to arrive is her and her nurse husband, isn't it?

Sidey: Yes. So this had a dead baby and epilepsy in it, so probably another factor why I wasn't hugely into it. . Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Dan: But it

Sidey: But the had a birth scene, so there we go. Yeah. I I wouldn't, I wouldn't be able to strongly recommend that one

Reegs: No. Well, a lot of birth scenes in movies, I think, are either in horror movies, and I've got a few of those to talk about, or comedies, and I've got a few of those to talk about, but you also get metaphors around you know, the sort of Jesus story around birth, and then one that we watched relatively recently, Children and Men,

Sidey: starring

Reegs: Clive Owen, yeah, nearly

Dan: Owen Wilson

Reegs: and director Alfonso Cuaron's sort of gloomy sci fi set 18 years after all women have suddenly and inexplicably become infertile and then the youngest person on the world has died and Clive Owen finds himself sort of reluctantly drawn into escorting Key who might be carrying humanity's last hope in her and she has a baby in a barn in a scene strongly sort of reminiscent of it.

Of something, I can't remember what it was. A nativity of some sorts. And also similarly is the bottom episode, Holy. It's also a nativity scene, and this is one where Richie finds a baby left on the doorstep of the flat. So I guess it's not a birth scene, but it's a

Sidey: but it's a sort of nativity scene.

Reegs: And yeah, there's a few similarities to the nativity story in his thing as well.

And I'm a virgin!

Sidey: Gold, frankincense

and

Reegs: So yeah, is what I've got for you.

Thanks,

Dan: Come back round to me. Well, another one that we that we did on the pod many, many moons ago was Mother. And it is still the film when somebody says to me, just... Off the fly. Oh, you do a podcast films. Oh name is a film. I'll give them mother because it's Really annoyed me to watch it.

It really just kind of it's stayed with me, but it's It

Reegs: it's,

Dan: you know the more rough No, the more reflected on it and the more I just thought wow, what a clever clever film. And there was Obviously a big birth scene right towards the end of this film that brings the house down. Literally, But it's just it was a strong recommend for us at the time. And you can go back and listen to that podcast.

Particularly if you've seen it

Sidey: we should probably talk more about the birth because

Reegs: gonna say, that scene, you can't just

Sidey: like

Dan: Yeah

Sidey: Like the baby is born you know, on the

Reegs: fiercely protective of it mother until she falls asleep, I

Sidey: Yeah, he takes it and gives it to the gathered mass who are baying for blood

Dan: And they all

Sidey: carried away. And I think you hear it. Snap.

Reegs: see

Dan: Well, you hear it crying and

Sidey: snap, I think, and then you see the, like, they rip it to shreds and eat it.

It's brutal.

Reegs: horrendous. Yeah.

Dan: yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was, it was a tough it was a tough watch in, in, in kind of the... The sense, but when you realize the context and everything behind it afterwards and everything, I just think it really clever,

Sidey: any Parks and Rec fans?

Reegs: I started watching it, but I never quite got into it.

Sidey: It's good, it's decent, but it does run on... Probably a little bit too long but Aubrey Plaza is in it and I'm a fan of her. She plays April Ludgate and her and Chris Pratt's Andy end up together and they end up having a kid and it is born.

That's how that happens and really I only wanted to mention it because it's name. I think they have it on Halloween night and they named their first son Burt Snakehole Ludgate Karate Dracula Macklin Demon Jack O'Lantern Dwyer or Jack for short.

Dan: Wow, yeah.

Sidey: strong name. yeah,

Yeah. I've forgotten it already.

Reegs: No. I

wanted to see it, and I

Sidey: I, no. I want to see it and I, but I did read about it

Dan: it. Horror births, I mean, someone

Reegs: this is set,

Sidey: it does lend itself to that because it is,

Reegs: it does, yeah, like I say, a lot of it is either like comedy or horror. And this is set in a world where sightless aliens that can brutally kill you if they hear you have come to earth.

And obviously having a baby in that scenario because they're known for being quiet babies, aren't they? Really? No, I remember at my eldest one of the first nights she came home cried probably non stop for about it felt like about nine hours probably

Sidey: Just like,

Reegs: Endless, endless, endless. And yeah, anyway, so she, Emily Blunt does eventually have to have a baby.

I think she times it with a thunderstorm so she can have a little scream while the thunderstorm comes out. Yeah. Great film. Is really good. Another horror was Prometheus. You remember that one? It's not really a, she, she. Has the alien inside her she gets fucked by the guy who has the black goo in his eye or

Sidey: She's supposed to be infertile, I think we've been told as well. Yeah,

Reegs: supposed to be infertile, I think we've been

told. Yeah, Homage to the chestburster scene that she has to reprogram this medical unit to do an impromptu sort of cesarean on her to get the alien out. Really horrible. I watched that at the cinema. That was great. More horrors, men Alex Garland's movie.

I talked about it a couple of weeks ago. It's got an incredible ending. It's basically about toxic masculinity

and it's got the same actor playing every male role. In the movie, against this woman, Jessie Buckley, whose gaslighting former partner killed himself. And like, tries to make it out that it's like her problem, like she did it.

Anyway, it's got an astonishing scene right at the end of the movie, where all of the men in the movie give birth to each other. In like, a long sequence, like,

Dan: like in junior

No,

Reegs: much more weird than that, but yeah, really a truly weird, baffling, crazy, cool movie. So yeah, there's three horrors for you

there.

Dan: three horrors for you there. We've watched it for the pod. I would say that if went to the

Reegs: it that bad? We

watched it for the pod,

Dan: don't

Sidey: Yeah, but I would say that if you went to cinema, like, I don't know what you'd have been expecting to see.

Like, it's not Arnie with the fucking M16 or anything.

Dan: No, no, it's very different, very different, but I think it

Sidey: terrible. I want my Larry!

Dan: just terrible. Another

film that A young couple don't actually know they're having a baby, Blue Lagoon which was Brooke Shields?

Sidey: It is Brookshields, yeah.

Dan: And I

Reegs: are they brother and sister or

Sidey: Yes, they are, aren't they?

Reegs: Is that the one where they're

Dan: Are they are.

Sidey: weren't they? Super horny,

Reegs: Are you pervy bastard Dan?

Dan: well, I, I just remember this film, there was a shipwreck, kind of, island, you know, these two kids, I don't know if they're brother and sister,

Sidey: I always thought they were, but

Dan: I, I don't know if, in, like, a step brother or something, I don't think they're actual brother and sister, I think there's

Sidey: if they are.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah And, of course, they live, they live this brilliant...

Reegs: underage

Sidey: she

Dan: Yeah, there was all kinds of stories afterwards, but I remember it because they showed it when there were kids, you know, it was these kids on a paradise island living together. And then the scene where she doesn't know what's going on with her body. They don't recognize the morning sickness.

They don't understand why their bodies becoming bigger because they've been on this island for so many years since there were kids just surviving. But they haven't obviously. Grown any more worldly. And then the baby comes along and they're just under a tree. She's just had it and crazy No nappies

Sidey: No nappies, nothing.

Dan: nothing yeah

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: kids bringing up kids

Sidey: Wowzers. Flintstones is a thing that we watched. No, we didn't. We watched Jetsons. We watched the Jetsons, didn't we? But Flintstones is what came first. And Gene Vanderpil. was the voice actor who played Wilma Flintstone.

And in one of the episodes, it's called the Blessed Event. Do you remember that one?

Dan: No.

Wilma's

Sidey: they have to rush off in the special Flintstones car to give birth and it's when the emergence of little baby

Dan: Oh, Pebbles!

Pebbles,

Sidey: Yeah. Ironically, Vanderpil was pregnant just as Wilma was and gave birth to her son on the same day that the episode aired.

Reegs: Well, that

Sidey: Which is pretty incredible.

Dan: it? Yeah.

boy,

is... That's

professionalism, I

Sidey: Pebbles, Pebbles was going to be a boy, but sadly, all the kids stuff that we watched it was decided that a girl would make for better marketing opportunities. Boo!

Dan: So,

Sidey: So

there you go, Flintstones.

Reegs: go, Flintstones. You know what the Tribbles are, I would imagine.

They are all males and they're all born pregnant. So, that's... and they... What's

Dan: What's that from?

Reegs: It's from Star Trek. They, it features across quite a few different Star Trek episodes, I

Sidey: It's

Reegs: the

Sidey: was in DS9.

Reegs: They, they're like these just sort of innocuous. They're just like, like those things of like spikes basically, aren't they?

Or like

Sidey: balls.

Reegs: fur balls.

Sidey: ball and they,

Reegs: there's like one or two and then the camera cuts away to come back and there's like 20 and then you cut away and there's like a thousand and then suddenly you're like, hang on a minute. Got a bit of a

Dan: They don't really do

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: They don't really do anything. They're just there, but a lot of them. And Men in Black similarly has alien births, do you remember that one?

Sidey: Octopussy sort of thing.

Reegs: Yeah, here's your squid and he has to catch it and he's being thrown around

Sidey: Yeah.

that's right.

Reegs: it's pretty good. I did have one more. I had, well, not, I've got billions more actually, but the, I dunno whether this one counts. In the Ace Ventura, we talked about it last week.

the rhino.

yeah.

Sidey: That's my animal and I was going to put it in,

Reegs: Oh yeah.

Sidey: Oh yeah, nice.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Do you remember that one Dan? Him emerging, he's in a surveillance rhino

Dan: put it in. Oh yeah,

Sidey: sort of like hilariously exaggeratedly emerges out the rear end of the rhino as a kid watching. Yeah.

Dan: hilariously, exaggeratedly yeah. We watched The Meaning of Life quickly, didn't we? Just the clip of that where The, the Monty Python team assisting a woman giving birth they decide that there's not enough equipment in this, like, well, a, a nice spacious room so they bring in a load of equipment, then they bring in a crowd to take photos and, and just kind of shout and, and grin and everything they talk about to the, the lady giving birth about, oh, this, this one will tell you, this, this one will tell you all these different kind of Measures and markers not the classic scene of meaning of life.

Sidey: not actually that funny, I don't think. So I think Python, because it's so out there, some of it's a bit hit and miss. This one is not that hilarious. And at the end, it was quite prescient, I suppose, because the, the, the mother says, well, was it a boy or a girl? And I said, well, you don't want to be assigning these gender labels or something like that, you know?

Dan: Mother says, well, was You'll

find out next week. Yeah, but that was my last one that I've jotted down here because we've taken children and men which was

Sidey: do you want a couple of dead, dead mothers? Padme in Revenge of the Sith she snuffs it after Luke and Leia are

Yeah, and doesn't Hayden Christensen do the really bad,

Reegs: nails.

Nooooooooooooooo!

Sidey: Yeah, that was good.

And Angel, I've got to get the Buffy content. And this is obviously the spin off Angel. It's Julia Benz as Darla, but she was in the very first episode of Buffy, if I remember rightly. And she's been a vampire for about 400 years. And in Angel, she has a relationship with Angel, and they fuck. And she gets pregnant, because Angel has a soul and he's able to do that.

And so she starts to feel The first emotions that she's had in like 400 odd years, but knows that the baby won't survive because she's a vampire. And so she sacrificed herself and stakes herself through the heart, leaving the baby behind. So that's good. Dada. And then just a comedy one. No, no mothers die in this one.

It's knocked up Seth Rogen Joe D'Apoteo and it's Catherine Heigl, isn't it?

that's one of the kind of like kind of cliched and irritating angry pregnant woman

Reegs: Yeah, but it's a good one

Sidey: It's a good trope. Yeah. Where they, you know, are allowed to carry on and scream and shout. I I really like that film.

I really enjoyed

Reegs: Yeah, it is good actually, it's surprisingly good.

Dan: It's good.

Actually. It's supposed to be good. That'd count, wouldn't it? As an animal

Reegs: births. Do you

Dan: Doesn't it, isn't it you're born on Bambi?

Sidey: don't remember.

Dan: They struggle standing up and that's the first scene. Or an early

Sidey: That's just Bambi on ice, isn't it?

Dan: Maybe.

Reegs: Look who, I've got a couple more and then I guess we'll wrap up.

Will we look who's talking. Do you remember in the opening credits you

Sidey: We get the conception,

Reegs: you get the conception. Yeah. But then you do get the birth of and you get

Dan: A little montage birth, is it?

Reegs: what's his name? Bruce Willis. And you know, so yeah, that's what a baby sounds like. Bruce Willis and Rosemary's baby is another baby.

Another horror. It's a sort of, there's a kind of weird rapey, satanic, rapey ritual thing in it halfway through, and then the birth is kind of a bit like that as well, so

Dan: ritual thing in it halfway through, then the birth is kind of a

bit like that as well. She's about to bring scissors to the, to the baby. She thinks that she's got to kill the baby. I don't know she'd already had these kind of thoughts that she was bringing up the Antichrist or whatever it was.

But that was quite a heavy scene. Yeah horror again. Don't

Sidey: Don't really like them.

Reegs: Oh man, no. honestly.

that what you're supposed to say? Can we not? I don't

Sidey: no, come on. Fuck you are They're not tweets anymore, they're exes. I don't know how you're supposed to say it. Fuck all that shit, anyway. You mentioned Prometheus Rigs. Vimesy and Andy Connolly are taking it back to the original with Alien. The

The chestburster, yeah. Which is supposed to be scary.

Like, playing on the male fear of, pregnancy and, and, well, birth and all, yeah, all that stuff

Dan: coming out of your chest or an alien,

Sidey: yeah, fairly terrifying. Breachy mentions that adaptation at the beginning feels some real childbirth

Reegs: Yeah?

Sidey: No one needs to see that. And 1P Flambard mentions Only Fools it's a little baby.

Del Boy, and Mad Max Fury Road, Rictus, I had a little baby brother.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Dangling off in the air, isn't he? It's fairly grim.

Reegs: It is grim.

Dan: I watched talking of grim. I dunno if you saw this on social media. A little. It's actually worked out. Okay. So I'll tell you. But this little kid was caught on in Spain on a kite. Did you see that? No.

Reegs: No.

Dan: Caught on a kite.

And it took the wind up and it was, yeah, it was in the end.

Sidey: A great time.

Dan: to catch him, but Geez, that was crazy. That was just fresh out. I thought he might seen it.

Sidey: Right, let's try and whittle this down, just to a few. Go for it. Dan, boom. Yeah, that's a good one. Riggs?

Reegs: I am gonna go with, oh blimey, literally nothing on the line and yet, I can't think of it. I'm gonna go with Children of Men.

Sidey: children a bit.

Yeah. Hmm. I did mention X Files, I'm thinking about putting that in, but I won't. Flintstones?

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: And then, we'll see if we get any more. Because we'd normally get some contributions from Joe Bevis and Jameson, maybe a few others.

Reegs: We'll get something from our exes.

Dan: Hopefully it wasn't too laborious for everyone

We've got no cheese.

Sidey: We haven't got any cheese, no, we've only got a couple of bags of sweets.

Dan: we've got

Sidey: it.

We have had quite a lot of cheese recently, probably okay to have a week off, I think.

Dan: I reckon you're right.

Sidey: Yeah, so we're talking about Lady Bird, this is, as you mentioned earlier, Greta Gerwig's

debut.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: This was, and I had not seen this before,

Dan: Well, this was a film that was out on, I think Prime, I think it went on B b, C for a while as well. So I've been out there a while. I've not seen it any of the times until I've had to pay for it. Yeah. Yeah. That was annoying.

Sidey: Well, let's, we'll find out if it was money well spent or not.

We're gonna do that. It's comes up with some spiel first, isn't it? About Sacramento and stuff? Yeah. And junk about Sacramento being shit or what, or, or not. Yeah.

Dan: there's, there's there's not a lot of love for Sacramento at the beginning. I always thought Sacramento sounded quite a cool place. But not so in this. For our, our kind of 17 year old young female star called Christine. Yeah. Goes, by the way the name of Lady Bird.

Reegs: She's I think the first shot of the movie she's in bed staring at her mum.

They're in bed together, there's just a quick shot of it, and then they're in a car journey.

Sidey: Listening to an

Reegs: yeah, listening to Grapes of Wrath, and they're both crying as it finishes, this sort of shared connection over this... American classic, and they've been visiting colleges and such, and,

Sidey: Does, it sets up that they're quite close I think.

Reegs: yeah, it shows how they're connecting, but within, like, two minutes, it's all gone catastrophically wrong, and completely off the rails. I think a conversation starts about colleges, and...

Sidey: and...

Reegs: When Lady Bird expresses a preference for going, you know, she wants to go to the city of culture, New York, somewhere on the east coast, just to get far, far away.

I think we can all relate right to that feeling

Dan: 17, she wants her freedom and she's feeling.

hemmed in and everything by mum and they just spent this 21 hours listening to this this audio book cassette players and everything had gone and And where she, Lady Bird, just kind of flicks on, and it's just the generational thing, isn't it?

Because she's flicked on the radio about sort of 10 seconds after the audio books ended. And mum's there, no, no, it's just living the silence of what we've just heard for a moment. And yeah, that, that kind of turns into a spiral of a

Sidey: you're kind like, that's okay. That's like just a different point of view. But then her mum starts to be like too much.

Reegs: Oh, she really she

Sidey: she's fucking horrible to

Reegs: Yeah, she

Sidey: and she's like, you are not, basically you're not good enough.

You don't fucking work hard enough. You're lazy.

Reegs: basically all your dreams aren't possible, and there's no point, and you're and and to boot, you're really ungrateful for everything I've done for

you. And to end the conversation she opens the car door and just bails out, and then we get a

Sidey: a smashbox to a pink,

Reegs: to a pink cu an arm in

Sidey: fuck you, mum,

Reegs: she's written fuck you mum on it.

Which is just an amazing

Dan: Dan, Dan, I would like for

Reegs: Dan, Dan, I would like for you, just sorry, I've been, have a go at pronouncing Lady Bird, the actress's name here, I've got it written down for you, it's in brackets there, have a go at, it's an Irish name.

Dan: Okay. McPherson? Yeah,

Reegs: Yeah, yeah, no, but the one in brackets there, it starts with a

Dan: S. Ronan?

Reegs: Yeah, yeah.

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: I haven't got a clue. Source soce. I thought it was ccha likes like to rhyme with inertia,

Dan: yeah, Saoirse.

Reegs: Cs

Dan: Saoirse? Saoirse Ronan. Saoirse

Sidey: Proof of how to pronounce it properly cause I don't know if I'm doing it right. I have seen her interviewed on, on Graham Norton and she's dead nice and and they go into the big thing cause she's proper Irish. So the accent performance in this is really

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah, okay

Reegs: Anyway, so we see her starting we'll call her Lady Bird, it's probably easier. We see Lady Bird starting her final year, she's a senior, I guess, is that what that means?

Dan: 17

Reegs: At the immaculate heart of Mary, which is this like, ultra conservative, Catholic, yeah, it's proper nuns. But they're not like, they're quite nice nuns, aren't they? The sister in

Sidey: she does get hauled in front of a particular nun. And yeah, she's not like all fire and brimstone. She's just talking to her. And she says, well, perhaps she would be interested in musical theatre or something like that. And she says, I didn't know that that was there.

And

Reegs: Well, she says, I wanted to go for maths and she basically just laughs at her.

Sidey: at that. Because perhaps not. And she says, well, I didn't know that, you know, that was the thing here. And she says, well, that's because you're just not really involved in the community. So she's... Way more polite, than her mother who would have just shot her down

Reegs: And diplomatic, yeah

And so her and her longtime friend Julie, which is Beanie Feldstein. That's Jonah Hill's sister

She's a pretty good character. They do fun stuff like eat prayer wafers and talk about how they like to masturbate

Dan: with the shower heads. Yeah. Yeah. And they do get involved in the play. And it's a good idea. They do. 'cause there's

Reegs: a lady bird gets, she, she does. She doesn't really wanna be picked. So she does this ridiculous old timey performance, puts on this dress and she's like doing a song

Sidey: and they go,

Reegs: or something. But yeah, everybody gets in and we'll see that later when they cast the Tempest

When she's

Dan: I thought her performance was pretty good, actually. I thought she went for it. But so did so did Julie, and she ends up getting the major part to star alongside the dreamy Danny, who's

Reegs: she's got a big crush on him straight away when she's stealing a magazine from a shop that her mum won't buy her.

She sort of, Danny Shouts stop. And she's like, Ugh. And then it turns out that he's like shouting at his four younger brothers or whatever. And that's how they meet up and they end up kind of eventually dating.

Dan: Yeah, they sort of get together. And everything's going really well. He's really respectful.

Sidey: Wow. So they share a kiss outside the what do they call it?

newsagent, but anyway. And then later on, as they're spending more time together, they're lying next to each other, and she says you know, if you wanted to touch my boobs, that would be okay. And he says I just respect you too much, and you're going along. Hang on.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: There's something probably not quite... What it seems

Reegs: here.

Yeah.

Sidey: here, and she says, Oh, that's okay.

Cause if, if you had boobs, I wouldn't touch them because I respect you. And you're like, she's gutted. But it's

Reegs: gutted.

Sidey: After the date she Yeah. Yes.

Dan: Yeah. She's kissed, she's kissed a guy and she really likes him.

Reegs: And you know, it's been a, there's also a bit of a sour moment when she Dani gets introduced to them, the mother, because she's made this joke about, oh, from the wrong side of the tracks, but she means literally from the wrong side of the tracks, because we see where she lives is divided into these enormous suburban mansions, and then she comes from a much more poverty stricken area of the,

Sidey: I think she said later on from the 400s Something like, yeah, which is like Probably known as being a bit of a grotty area or whatever

Reegs: So, it's pretty clear already that her parents are doing a lot. And I think there's a scholarship as well to get her into the school that she's going to, which is mostly populated by people with a tremendous amount of wealth.

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: It's fairly clear that We've seen that she has a strained relationship with her mom, but she has a very good relationship with her father

and certainly implied

First and then but then we are told that you know, he he's struggling.

Um he he's sort of driving around. I think kidding on that he's got a job or certainly he's at the tail end of some kind of employment.

Reegs: His job, hasn't he?

Sidey: but but he she can talk to him about this stuff and she wants to go to these more liberal arts colleges and he's supportive of that and so she will ask him, you know, obviously we can't afford it but that's what the financial aid is for but.

Can you help me fill out the forms? Just don't tell mum because I'm not ready for the fight yet. You know, so she knows what's coming.

Reegs: you help me fill out the father is kind of facilitating this behind Mary and the mother. What's her name?

Sidey: it's Laurie

Reegs: Laurie

Metcalf from Roseanne,

Dan: From Roseanne. Roseanne's sister. Yeah.

Reegs: Roseanne's sister. And she's so good in this and, you know, their relationship between Lady Bird and Marion is very complicated and you know, it's almost a constantly sort of, Small things that nearly falling apart.

Like a point where she's not hanging, hanging up a school uniform and she's like, then digging her out, you know, you're so ungrateful. And I'll have to put another wash on. And she's like, oh, wouldn't your mother ever want to cut you some slack? And she's like, well, my mother was an abusive alcoholic. So,

Sidey: And just walks out

Reegs: and then just

Sidey: doesn't even say, you know, she can't bring herself to, to say it, she's very emotionally stunted or guarded or I don't

Reegs: But then it's not always like that because they have a Thanksgiving thing where she goes off to the, to Danny's grandparents house, which is this beautiful blue mansion. She's seen earlier that she's always

Sidey: The Ronald Reagan posters in it. And,

Reegs: And you know, and there's this great scene.

Yeah, with the thing and then they go off and smoke weed and they come back to their house and they're all like giggling and stuff. And the mom is really cool and chill with them all and fine. But, you know, so the relationship is.

Dan: Yeah, it is. Yeah, they just seem to be going through that, that moment and time each and every time they, they have a conversation, it will start off kind of nice because she will still talk to her about mum, when do you think I should be having sex?

I mean, that comes a

Reegs: in a bit

Dan: on, but she's still got that open kind of relationship with her mum.

Reegs: Yeah. Well, as we'll see, her mother is kind of there for her in the big, big moments. So,

Dan: Yeah, well, a big moment is when they do the first bit of the play, you know, so they've all got their part, but everyone's getting on well with everyone and it goes brilliantly and they have a big party to celebrate and they're going back to somebody's dorm or somebody's house. And. At one point, Lady Bird gets up and she's going to the toilet, I think, and

Reegs: the the cue for the girl's bathroom is enormous. So she goes into the

Sidey: There's never a queue

Dan: There's never a queue for the boys, so she goes there with Julie, and the pair of them, as they open the door, see her boyfriend and another fella kissing.

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: And, wow, they're just absolutely... Cut to them in a car, just...

a parked car staring up at the stars,

Reegs: her eyes out, isn't

Dan: crying her eyes out. Yeah, she's, she's absolutely heartbroken. And she's really angry. And the next part, it goes to the play again, and they're all meant to be holding hands at the end or whatever. And she's just like having a complete tantrum and meltdown on the stage, not having any of it.

And and Danny is kind of just. He comes into the room, I think, at one time, or the little cafe where she's working.

Reegs: getting a job there, yeah.

Dan: And with her, for her brother Miguel. And, he, she, when he goes in there, she avoids him. But he goes round to the trash, doesn't he?

Reegs: She's

Dan: Guess that that's where she's going and he kind of breaks down in front of her and says, please don't tell anyone I'm not ready for this.

I'm so so sorry and so

And, and she lovingly gives him a

Reegs: It's a real human moment, right, where you see someone go from anger to empathy like that, yeah, it's great. Very well acted. And another reason to hang out at the

is Kyle Timothy

chalamet

He's a massive douche. A great, complete deconstruction of like, you know exactly why she wants to shag him, and you just hate him.

He's like a pseudo intellectual.

Sidey: He keeps spouting all these conspiracy things

Reegs: Yeah, or like how money doesn't mean it. You know, just like a really awful,

Dan: barter things and

Sidey: I'm, I'm a moneyless arrangement. I just do bartering

Reegs: And he's reading, what is he reading as well? It was making me laugh. American history or something. There was, yeah. Anyway. Yeah. He's just saying all this complete bullshit with a complete lack of conviction or knowledge about what he's talking about. Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: Well, that's how she kind of... She and Jenna, this

Reegs: he?

Mm-hmm.

and well that's, she kind of

Dan: the

Reegs: Jenna, this other character that she sort of aspires that One of the cool

Dan: cool kids.

Sidey: Yeah, she's cool, yeah, awful.

Dan: Awful cool. Yeah, she's she's but they're all quite complicated the characters. There's they're

Reegs: that bad.

Dan: not none of them a a standout awful,

Reegs: Kyle's

Dan: like cartoon He he'd be that he'd be the only one but even him. He's not like cartoons like terrible, you know, he's

Reegs: interesting. A complete twat. But, yeah.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, there's there's a little more interest, than just One-sided characters. So she is a,

Reegs: Jenna's got everything she aspires to, the big car, the big house, she wears her hair in a particular style

Dan: She's flawless skin

Reegs: Bird is gonna also do the same thing and hikes up her skirt and she's gonna drop her good mate Jenna

Sidey: Yeah, it's ruthless.

Reegs: So she can hang out with the cool kids.

Dan: That's right. And and she tells a few lies to get there on the day and they, they go to the deuce. Isn't it the deuce or something like that? Which she's expected to be a nightclub,

Reegs: doesn't even know what it is. It's a car

Dan: it's a car park. And and that's where she kind of starts. Is it Kyle? His name? She starts out with Tim and she Shamalay.

Shamalamalam.

Sidey: Timothy Chalamet.

Reegs: And there's like a bit of the hunk and there's like a love story bit.

There's like a party that they go to where he's outside reading a book by the pool, just spouting his bullshit. And

he,

says that they both sort of, well she says I'm a virgin or something while they're kissing outside.

Dan: She says, I've never done this before. I've never had sex. And he says, oh, nor have I.

Reegs: before, I've

never had

Sidey: Yeah, he does. Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: And then moments later they are at, somewhere else actually, back at his place.

And they do have sex for the first time. The seduction routine I think is watching 9 11 footage. Which is pretty sexy.

Sidey: horny. And then, yeah, he puts in a fairly shabby performance. And she says

Reegs: well, he, he pretty expertly put when, when they have sex, he's like, oh, just put a condom on. Like it's supposed to be his first time. He's like, on it goes And then

Dan: says, doesn't she, says, oh, you're quite dexterous at that, like,

Sidey: Yeah, you'd probably get your hopes up having

Dan: yeah, he, he might have, he might have practiced, I, I

Sidey: think he'd been having a few posh wanks, yeah.

Dan: But sadly that's not the case because the next morning or the a few hours later when they, they kind of have the

Reegs: What she says, I can't believe we deflowered each other and

Dan: yeah.

And she's, oh, sorry, sorry. I'm not. And he's going, no, I've had sex with, I don't

Sidey: I'm late. And the sex is shit.

She says to him, are you done? He's like, yeah.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: And yeah, and then that's when he, he says, well, I'm not, I'm not actually a virgin. And that fucking really

pisses her

Reegs: many times. And well, and then you like, hang on a minute. And then she gets really annoying. Who the fuck is on top? Their first time she says to him, and he's like, have you only awareness of how many civilians have been killed in the invasion in Iraq? That's what he says to her. Fucking hell. And then it's really depressing after that actually, because she's had this awful sexual We're laughing about it. It's not actually, in the context of the movie, it's kind of, it's funny and angry then, because she,

Dan: she's been duped,

Reegs: awful

Dan: been lied to and

Reegs: and he's a complete douche, and when she goes out, she sees his dad, like, just fucking breathing through one of those, like, tube things, just on the couch.

So he's got this, like, completely depressing, horrible... Life and she's devastated and she calls her mum and her mum is amazing in this scene, everything a mum should do comforts her and takes her on their shared passion which is to go and look round houses for sale that they can't afford. Yeah, heartbreaking. And the money is a constant source of tension. They have a horrible argument where she's like, Oh, just tell me how much I cost. Tell me how much I cost you. Write it down. I'll pay you a cheque one day and then I'll never see you again. And it's like,

Sidey: I think she says you'll never, you'll never earn that much or you'll never, you'll never be able to do that.

You're just not good enough. And you're like, Jesus!

And she does learn that her dad's been out of work and and depressed. And she says are these his pills, like, has he been depressed for ages, because these pills have got his name on them and she's obviously suspected or now she's put two and two together that he's been struggling and so she's pissed off about stuff.

Reegs: and so she's

Sidey: her

Reegs: pissed off about stuff. She's been

working double

Sidey: Well, she's been working double shifts and things and just to... You know, to keep the family going, and we see a it's a Christmas, is it? Or a Thanksgiving? Something where they're giving out gifts, and she gets some socks, and it's like, they're really good, they wick the moisture away

Reegs: Oh, they're all pretending as well.

It's heartbreaking.

Dan: small Christmas. They were saying, but you, you know, that she's the kind of coworker. There's other scenes where she's giving a doctor or something, a little gift

a, a newborn and and you think, well, she's not this selfish bitch.

You know? She's certainly not that. She's just having this. kind of,

Sidey: She just can't express herself,

Dan: with her, with her daughter, probably from her own mother.

Sidey: Yes, 100%, 100%, yeah.

Dan: into that.

Reegs: Yeah. So Lady Bird and Julie have a massive falling out. And she says a horrible thing about her. Mother basically making a mistake not having an abortion with her. And then we cut to a like, scene where Lady Bird is required to attend a talk by basically a pro life propagandist.

This is a

Sidey: is a Catholic

Reegs: And she tells this, like, unbelievable, like, uplifting story about how her own mother decided not to have

Sidey: She said, and that person was me, and everyone in the crowd goes,

Reegs: Kraken! Yeah!

Sidey: Lady Bird, she's

Reegs: Lady Bird, she's like, not having it. She's like, no, you can't just say that it's ugly. You know?

Sidey: I could take a picture of my vagina on my period. And the look on the woman's face is like pure horror. And you're like, this is brilliant. And then she's just marked you to see the aftermath where she's going into the room, suspended. And you were suspended.

Another fight.

But I think that was a good one. She had to say that.

Dan: And all the time she's been writing to these colleges, so waiting for the, the post to come and letters arrive. And she runs into her room, her brother, who's living in the house with his girlfriend, who we find out has been thrown out of her own house because parents didn't believe in premarital sex or something and disowned her.

So her mum. Is now Lady Bird's mum, they've kind of taken her in, and, and the same with her dad, because he even says at one point, well, you're my only daughter apart

Reegs: from,

Well

Sidey: because they've been used as their kind of cautionary tale and say well they did that kind of degree and look at them they can't even

Dan: They've been used as

Sidey: Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh.

Reegs: But as Lady Bird has pointed out, she's like, you're never going to get a job with all that shit in your face, because they've got all the piercings and long hair and they look quite intimidating.

But that will play out as well. In fact, pretty much around here because dad goes off. He does go off to go and get a job.

And you know, the guy in the, who's giving the interviews, like 20 years older than him is not interested, even though he tries to explain, I did a degree while I was working. He was like, yeah, it was hard. And the kid's not interested at all. He's like, you know, there were programmers coming out. Can do your job for like, whatever.

And so it's horrible. And then as he's going out, he sees Miguel cleaned up. Who goes for the job, and I think we're to take it that he gets it later, doesn't

Dan: That's right.

Yeah. So he's and they're all sat around the table and they're, they're celebrating and they do celebrate that, that job. And there's also these letters that have come in. So, she's. Gone for these east coast colleges and she's on the wait list for one. Yeah. So two, she'd been rejected at hand, but one, the last one, she's on the wait list and she's just

Sidey: yeah, she's thrilled, yeah.

Reegs: And she's kind of, I think, started to tell everyone except Marion, basically.

Sidey: Yeah. And this, the backdrop then is that we've got the build up to prom where she's, they've, after the, the after half of that awful first sexual experience she has, is that they just say, well, are we still going to go to prom together?

They're like, yeah, okay. So not very enthusiastic, but that's who she's.

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: And they have a prom dress trying on

Sidey: Yeah, her mother, even then, like, she, I think she says to her, can't you just say, can't you just say I look nice? And she can't, she can't do

Dan: she comes,

Reegs: do it. And it's, when does she say, when does she say, oh, she says, I love you, but do you like me?

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah, it's

Reegs: And she won't answer the questions in that one. And then she says, Oh, I just want you to, she says, I want you to be the best version of yourself.

And she's like, well, what if this is the best version of myself?

Dan: Yeah, and mum just kind of slumps a little bit. And

Reegs: The dialogue is so

Dan: Lady Bird sees it and it just like closes the door. Because she's come out wearing this. This pink dress saying, Oh, I love it, don't it? And mum's like, Nah, it's a bit too pink, isn't it? Like, there's just got to be something, yeah.

Reegs: So yeah, anyway, they set, they do set out to prom. It's Jenna and her boyfriend and Kyle and

Sidey: And they're, they're just being like caricature kind of nihilistic prom shit.

Let's just drive around or let's go and do

Reegs: go

Sidey: other stuff. And, and ladybird kind of sits there for a minute and then she goes, no, I wait. on. That's the I don't know

Reegs: And Ladybug

Sidey: And actually, and I want to get a prom and can you drop me at my friend Julie's house? It's like, yeah, okay. It's like, doesn't even argue.

Reegs: Okay.

Dan: No, he's not bothered, is he? And so that's clearly,

Sidey: she's had enough of trying to be in with the in crowd. She just wants to be with her, her peeps.

Dan: piece. Yeah, so she goes to Julie's house and and convinces her after a hug and it looked like she needed it as well because

Reegs: Yeah, I wondered about that. She looks a bit upset. It's, she's, it's obviously prom night, she's upset about not going, but there's also been a weird subplot with one of the teachers being very favourable to

Sidey: Yes,

Reegs: flirting heavily with her.

And later,

or around before now, I can't remember if it's now or at the prom, she finds out that the guy's married, and...

Sidey: Yeah, he has his wife there. But yeah, there was a thing where he's supposedly lost his grading book. And so he's asked the, the kids to come up and just give, give themselves whatever grade they feel they deserve. And she has said, Oh, a B. And he's like, no, you're much better than a B. And he's really like, I don't know whether,

Dan: B. And it's really like, it's unprofessional. Well, I don't know whether she was just playing it down. Because then you get Lady Birdie saying, no, I was a B. And saying, I'm pretty sure you wasn't a B. So I don't know whether she was just that kind of nice person who always saw herself

Sidey: but the way he, he reacts to her, it was like it was

Dan: bit weird. Yeah. And he does break off soon actually, with the,

Sidey: So there's a combination of that.

And she obviously didn't have a date for the prom, and she wasn't going to the prom, so she was upset. The two of them were upset and they have their kind of, they rekindle their friendship. Yeah. There and then,

Reegs: And they do go to prom and have a good time. And then in the aftermath of that, there's I think a dinner somewhere, she's out with the whole family.

And Danny, is it? Is that his name? The heartthrob boyfriend from earlier in the movie, sort of let slip in front of Marion all like, congratulations for being on the waiting list or whatever, and,

Sidey: and you're thinking, oh no, here we go, another fight.

Reegs: Mm. Which is yeah.

Sidey: is Yeah.

she

Well, she did give us a silent treatment, didn't

Reegs: yeah it's really horrible, yeah.

And it's implied like several weeks I guess of like complete stonewall silence.

Sidey: stonewall silence.

Reegs: Yeah. And dad has refinanced the house to do this

Sidey: where it cuts to her leaving

and, Marian writing letters or writing something and scrunching them up and can't do it and she can't find the right words. And then when

Ladybird gets to her dorm or... Apartment or wherever wherever she's staying.

Her dad has rescued these notes out of the trash and put them in an envelope and said to her, hey, this is, you know, your mom trying to

Reegs: No, he just stuffs it in the bag, he doesn't even tell

Sidey: about of what, yeah. So,

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah, he does give a note. He says, don't tell your mom that I saved

Reegs: Oh yeah, that's right

Sidey: I, I saved them.

Don't tell your mom. This is, this is kind of what she's about, but she can't find the right words or whatever it is. And so she reads them and she says some nice things about, oh, you know, you get a Quick flash of each one, but you, you probably, if you paused it, you could read the whole thing. But, there's obviously some nice sentiment in there.

Reegs: about the bit where at the airport where she drops her off and basically

Sidey: it back.

Reegs: Doesn't say goodbye and then drives off. We've seen a lot of shots of Marion driving in the

Sidey: She says she won't stop because it's too expensive to park the car.

Reegs: then she drives off and then she just completely breaks down in tears and drives back But it's too late and she falls into the arms. Oh my god

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: Anyway, yeah, so and then we get The other tear breaking scene, like you say, of, of Lady Bird reading the letters, and you get a brief glimpse of some of them, of the things she's trying to express, and it's very relatable.

Dan: Yeah, she's, she's written about eight versions of this, this letter and each one of them trying to find the right words to, to find to her daughter because she can't, and she can't even put them on letter. And dad has then done this, this kind of deed of trying to knit them together because they, there is this feeling between them both.

They obviously both love each other, but they just can't communicate. It's so dad's helping to knit that together, but he's scared as well. He says, Do not ever tell her

Sidey: her.

Dan: that I've

Sidey: I'll be for it, yeah. And then we get a glimpse of college life. Yeah. And it's not necessarily all it, that she hoped it would be. Certainly not the social side of it.

Reegs: herself as Christine. She's no longer Lady Bird.

Sidey: We see her at a party, she's just kind of there on her own it seems, drinking and she tries to strike up a conversation with a guy and it, they go back somewhere and she's clearly not feeling it but they kiss but she's sick and

it doesn't look like she's having the most incredible time being away from all her friends.

Reegs: No, no. Or Sacramento. In as well, in particular, because there's been a, a scene where this, the wise sister has said to her about the.

She talks about attention and is that love?

Dan: Yeah, and they then talk about the, the scenes of driving through, because she speaks to her mum, I think, on the answer phone,

Sidey: That's right. And

Dan: she, this is kind of the end of the film where she just starts to talk about I was, we weren't talking at the time, but, you know when you've just passed your test, and, because you've just passed a driving test,

Reegs: Well just, it just before it's 'cause she hears the church, but she hears the church bells. That's what reminds her, right? She hears the, the choir singing and it reminds her of her schooling and all that stuff. That's what brings on the homesickness to call

Dan: schooling and all that stuff. That's what brings on the homesickness to call mum. And you, you, it cuts to, to Mum having that same kind of experience, just driving through Sacramento, looking over the, the bridge and the water and everything, and the, the towns and yeah, bit of homesickness and she realises actually, you know, it's not always greener on the other side.

Or

Reegs: maybe just things are pretty complicated.

This brilliant, right? No. Oh God.

Sidey: I found it veering into a little bit pretentious nurse at times. And I paused it at one point thinking I've probably only got about 20 minutes to go. So it wasn't even halfway. I was like, oh man. There was some bits in it that I did enjoy, but overall it was just a bit...

Dan: Well, I had

Reegs: for you as

Dan: I had given this a go before and I got in around about 20 minutes, Before I ditched it, but I gave it the full term this time. And yeah, it still didn't grab me. It wasn't that bad. Like there was some some moments in it as we've talked about. They were were quite nice but there wasn't enough for me for my attention really to and I like you paused it and thought, oh god, how long we gotta go here.

Reegs: Alright.

Sidey: I, it what it felt like when I was watching, it's like this, like it looks like something made by someone straight outta film college and it's just a bit too

Dan: There were good performances and things and I, you know, I, I, the characters were, as I said, there were, there was more to them than just, you know, one dimensional characters or anything, but

I, I just It just,

Reegs: Well you guys have run it down enough then and you can hear the counterpoint, which is, it's a coming of age story, which we've seen lots of times, but it's from a completely female perspective.

And to see the mother, like really complicated mother-daughter relationship was very moving and you know, yeah, it's funny and great performances. It's only an hour and a half and yeah, that's, My take on the movie. Yeah, I really love this and you know lots of great stuff with the dad and the depression and You know marion was such a complicated woman and lori metcalf.

She was nominated for an oscar She didn't win it. In fact, it didn't win any of

Sidey: noms, did it? Something like that? Five or six noms?

Reegs: Yeah had five nominations and it didn't win any of them. I thought this was brilliant really brilliant. So two no's and a strong recommend from everyone

Sidey: and I thought this was no's and a... Yeah,

I

Dan: with, Syed's

Reegs: Yeah, yeah,

Dan: Summary there. It just didn't, it just didn't, yeah, it just didn't grab me. And it, I dunno, there, there are those themes that were there. There wasn't, it wasn't funny enough for me to be honest. I just thought it could have been funnier,

you know, it

could have had a little

Reegs: all the Kyle stuff and Julie was really good every time she was on screen.

And I think Lady Bird herself was a great character as well, so

Dan: I liked her posters.

Reegs: Yeah, she did have some good posters. Yeah,

Sidey: soundtrack was good as well.

Reegs: Yeah. So let's see if Greta Gerwig does anything good.

Sidey: who knows.

Dan: Is that a computer on your lap, Riggs? Or is it?

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: Cake.

Reegs: Is that a hamburger over there? Is that Kanye West? Or is it a cake?

Dan: Is it a cake? I had four cupcakes yesterday.

Reegs: Right.

Sidey: had Like novelty shaped or just normal

Dan: cupcakes

Sidey: because that is the concept that we were dealing with this in this 43 minute long episode of is it cake two.

Reegs: It Cake 2.

Sidey: Series two.

Reegs: Yeah. Episode Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. The 90s cake.

how do you come across this before?

Dan: Is it. Cake 2?

Sidey: a big hit, in our house.

Yeah, the female contingent really enjoy this. Yeah. And a similar one called Bake Squad, I think.

Reegs: Bake Squad, I think.

Which

Sidey: Yeah, Which is the same four people. No one even gets eliminated in that. They just relentlessly go around.

Dan: The last thing I watched, anything anything similar to this, it was a, it wasn't anything to do with food, but it was a reality show where contestants had to pit against each other and it was with makeup, and they had to

Sidey: oh, so we watched that

Dan: so, this was, yeah, a, a, a new one on me. Big in your house, Reegs,

Reegs: Huge, actually, yeah,

Dan: So you did the first series and

Reegs: We came back, I asked for a specific recommendation, and I was given this one. Which felt good, because, you know, you could enjoy a lot of the references. In

Sidey: Yeah, true.

Reegs: That nineties show and feel very old.

Dan: And so for people who have never heard about this show

Reegs: this is basically a video that you've seen on like Twitter or Facebook or something, but a 20 like season show or 20 series show or

Dan: So it's amazing chefs making everyday objects to look like cake.

Sidey: They given a selection

Reegs: look like everyday object. That would be better.

Make, turn this table into

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: Turn this they were given a choice of things to make, right? And so...

Dan: they're

Reegs: First of all,

Dan: objects. There was a Wartman.

Reegs: Yeah. And they have to choose. And the three and you choose an object. One of them is a cake, believe it or not. And they choose it, don't they?

Dan: not, and they they? Do

you,

Reegs: And the way it's edited, you only get a little bit, half of a glance, you look at things, everything looks like a cake straight away. That's part of the fun.

Dan: Guess so. So we've got these contestants who are whittled down almost immediately,

Reegs: Yeah, by this, when they find, was it the, which one was it? The VCR? I get confused. It was, no, it was the, the boom box.

Was a

Sidey: So obviously a cake.

Reegs: It seemed very obvious to me.

Dan: got it wrong.

Reegs: Yeah. Somebody, a few of them get it wrong, but Cortarius, who was born in 2000, doesn't remember the nineties at all.

Not even.

Dan: That's right,

Reegs: And Miko. A very, he

Dan: animated

Reegs: stuff. Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah,

Dan: Yeah, he looked like a cross between a chihuahua and a person, really. I mean, he

Reegs: It was very slight,

Dan: well, he was in this, multi

Sidey: was just

Dan: it was just strange. It reminded me of, yeah.

Sidey: An idiot. Yes. Yeah.

Dan: came across that way.

Reegs: And Elizabeth, is that her name?

Sidey: was the, she was the Britt. And so she was having to act like an American. Yeah. Which is especially irritating.

And the host,

oh.

Reegs: Mikey Day.

Dan: Oh. dear me, what else has he been in? Because Saturday Night

Reegs: What else has He was in a Home Alone sequel.

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. Me. What's the quote from Alien? Like, fucking nuke. The whole site from Orbit. I mean, fucking hell.

Reegs: no,

Dan: I'll give, I'll give

Reegs: this is good, this is good, and Mikey Day is good in this as well. This is family entertainment.

Dan: wait a minute. I, I'm, I enjoyed

Yeah, I am. I'm sort of four minutes in now. Yeah.

Reegs: start.

Dan: And,

I'm wanting to bail out on I'm thinking this is going to be another long 40 minutes that I've, I've to watch.

Reegs: No, but you get a kid next to you, and you have a cuddle for 40 minutes, and you watch this, that's great.

Dan: to

Sidey: Or just watch something better

Dan: maybe, probably

Reegs: Yeah, but they want to watch this, but you can like, pass the time watching it, and it's alright. And you can have fun like, spotting the things

Dan: this, this was...

Reegs: The shoe, we should talk

Sidey: The shoe was incredible. So that, I'm not detracting from the people's skill that is demonstrated on the show, I mean, the shoe that they...

English lady made was incredible. It came to judge it and they have some celebrity, celebrity judges. One of them are recognized from pitch perfect. The other two, another SNL, SNL is fucking shit. So everyone would fuck off on that. And so anyway, they've got the three judges and one point, the guy with the blonde dyed hair, who's supposed to be a comedian, he said, he goes to the house.

The angle that you put that shoe out, it was just very confusing and everyone fell about laughing. I said, what the fuck are you laughing at? Like nothing funny was just said,

Reegs: just said.

Sidey: kill you all. But the shoe that she made was.

Dan: know, I'd kill you all. But, the shoe it's made was un

Sidey: It was absolutely better than the real shoes. He can't even cut the

Reegs: Oh, I wanted some of that cake,

Dan: couldn't, he can't even cut the cake properly. He always seems to just chip a bit the icing off and then he goes, No, I've got to, I've got to make it even bigger cut. You've got to see the layers in it. Yeah, I mean, I'm not really a foodie. I like a bit of cake.

I

Reegs: I like a bit of cake. Well, we just don't skip over because whoever wins that and then we've got the cake or cash bit at the end, right? It

Dan: could have been done in 15 minutes, all this,

Sidey: Honestly, it was no need to be this long. We moan about 23 minutes long stuff and this was

Dan: I could have fitted in two

Sidey: 30 minutes too long.

Reegs: Yeah, but

Dan: two bullseye in this. That is better. I would rather be sat on the couch watching Bit of Bully.

Sidey: Yeah,

Reegs: Yeah. But doing this is way less complicated than having to explain sometimes explaining the plot of like a seven minute cartoon can take you about 25 minutes to put your thoughts together and this, you watch it and

Dan: Well, I didn't work out what was going

Reegs: and.

Sidey: to see what's going on. Dan didn't get, because Dan didn't finish it, and I made him... it

Reegs: content, it's whether you like it

Dan: was, yeah, I was 15 minutes from

Sidey: Dan, Dan gunned it, but I made him put it back on, and he didn't understand the concept of the cash for cake bit. That you, if you, so you won five grand for winning the

Dan: thinking a bully.

Sidey: So the fucking three idiot judges couldn't even have a guess at which was the cake and which wasn't. They were so fucking idiotic, they ran, they were time

Reegs: of time. That happens a lot in this

Sidey: And yeah, he said, he said it was, it was the second time in only four episodes that it happened that

series. So you get then five grand for the judges then taste the cake and decide who wins.

So that you're that five grand is locked in, you win that, then you go to cash or cock. And if you guess as the contestant, which is the cake, you get a further five grand. If you don't, it rolls over into the finale, but I don't know what the finale was.

Something that

Reegs: Something that happens at the end, I think. I haven't got there

Dan: maybe when all the

Reegs: get there

Dan: back, eh the. The champions of champions, but either way struggled with this, thought it was really bad.

Sidey: thought it was really bad. Yeah, it was cheerful. It is cheerful, yeah.

Dan: It,

was yeah, it was

Reegs: it is cheerful.

Dan: it was far

Sidey: But false, it's not like, they just say stuff and laugh and you're like, no, that wasn't funny. Yeah. It wasn't even a joke.

Reegs: you're like, no that but the skill with the cake

Sidey: is good.

Dan: laugh, and you're like, no, Brilliant

Reegs: about cake, and it's fun to guess which things are cake.

Sidey: I could have sacrificed. Never eating cake again to never means I never have to come across this ever again. I would take,

I

Dan: Oh, but those cakes are disgusting anyway because they're all just full of icing. I mean, it's just a bit in the middle that I

Reegs: man,

Dan: know, maybe a, a jam layer or something.

I don't want like four inches of Oh no. It's all just icing, isn't it? Marsy pan and

Reegs: No, they make chocolate for a lot of the

Sidey: That's how they, that's how they make the sculptural,

Dan: Yeah, I'd have to have a brown,

Sidey: Because sponge isn't going to

Dan: I'd have to have like a, a brown cake.

Reegs: I'd have to have a

Dan: Anyway, we get to see

Reegs: have to have like a brown tape.

Dan: But, you know, it's like,

Sidey: He, he did have a good message at the end. He said, you want to inspire people and stuff. I said, well, you should have done better and maybe you would have.

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: but I did enjoy his name. Quateris was that

Dan: name, strong name. It inspired me not to watch this anymore.

Sidey: The host. Oh Jesus. Now, how can you, I, I,

Reegs: I will probably watch all of this

Dan: this. The

Sidey: good.

Reegs: They like it. And so,

this

Sidey: Yeah. It might be like it, but I don't.

Dan: would give this a

miss.

Sidey: It's like Ladybird, isn't it? With split, split, you know, like, that, like, there across the room.

Reegs: like

Sidey: Yeah, that's right, like the South African flag. So if you like cake, and if you like hideous, hideous reality TV, this will be right up your alley.

Reegs: Yeah,

Sidey: Yeah, oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dan: But you don't even get to guess that well, can they put

Sidey: Well, 'cause you know, that's the, that's the trouble is that you watch the make it so you don't even get really the pleasure of guessing. Mm. Apart from cake or cash.

Reegs: I don't know, there

Sidey: Well, the shoe, like you've watched her make it and, and it so that, right. This is what annoyed me is he said the Doc Martin, and it was clearly the only dog Martin up there.

Yeah. So he fucked them like they should have guessed.

But Hmm. Yeah.

Dan: strong recommend.

Sidey: No, it's not a strong recommend.

Reegs: It is a strong recommend.

Dan: Don't make up your own mind, trust us.

Reegs: So a massive hit for res this week. Two huge swings

Sidey: a midweek as well, so it was a home run.

Dan: on backwards. Brilliant. Yeah.

Sidey: I, like, insert repetitive finale here. I do have nominations. I just don't know if it's my turn.

Dan: I would say is your turn and I would nominate here live.

Reegs: Yeah, do it right

Sidey: well it's going to be top 5 tearjerkers, scenes,

Tearjerking scenes.

The, one of the films is going to be happiness. And there was another film based around an emotion named title which I can't remember off the top of my head and kids thing. I'll I'll figure that out later on. So, it's all around emotions. Yeah.

Dan: be emotional.

Sidey: a glass case of emotion. So, get your thinking caps on in advance of next week.

All that remains is to say signing

Dan: sorry for signing