John Wick & Dungeons and Dragons

John Wick

Pete: I brought a bottle of white and six beers. that

Dan: beers. I've got.

Pete: even put a dent in.

Dan: in. I've got another two bottles like that in there. It's all good. I'm well solid.

Sidey: Olympics?

Dan: to watch the Olympics. I want everybody to, you know. Get done with this so I can start catching up with my olympics

So it'd be great if everybody could just

if it'd be great if everybody could

just

Sidey: get

on with

it

Dan: Get on with it.

exactly because it's nine o'clock and we're normally finished and we haven't started

Pete: Magic

monday Is one of those who like the US have got 48 goals and england have got like two

Sidey: Not yet, but

Pete: and I say england, but it's going to be english

but it's not going to be jocks and stuff doing alright And, and, but when they do, then they're, then it's, yeah.

Sidey: are

Pete: Murray.

Cris: What are we talking about? Oh,

the Olympics.

Sidey: a

called December.

Dan: called Sin December.

Sidey: Sin

Dan: Sin

December.

Pete: Right,

Sidey: you ready?

Pete: Hey Daniel!

Cris: Hey Danielle. Hi.

Dan: episode.

Sidey: Welcome back, dear listeners, to another thrilling episode. That's thrilling, so you have to live up to that. Episode of bad Dads Film Review,

where

the only thing sharper than our critiques are the blades in our favorite revenge flicks.

I'm your host, Sidey, leading this band of dads through the murky world of vengeance and retribution in cinema. Joining me in this quest for justice are three stalwart co hosts. First we have Dan, our sage of cinema, whose knowledge runs deeper than a Tarantino plot. Then there's Pete, the man who prefers his movies like a swift punch, quick, impactful, and straight to the point.

Pete, these are your nominations, hopefully you're ready to guide us through this week's choices.

Pete: Yeah, should be good to hold your

Sidey: hand.

Okay and then we have Chris, whose good looks and sharp wit make him the James Bond of our podcast. Today we're diving headfirst into our top five revenge movies or plots exploring tales of vengeance that range from the brutally raw to the elegantly plotted

possibly from classic vendettas to modern retributions we're covering it all our first deep dive into the relentless world of John Wick where Keanu Reeves redefines the genre with a performance as cold and precise as his character's aim. Get ready for some serious discussions about headshots and heartaches.

As for and for a nostalgic twist we roll the dice with Dungeons and Dragons exploring how this animated series brought epic quests for revenge into imaginations of a generation. Magic, monsters and mayhem await

us in this trip down memory lane. As we unravel these tales of vengeance, remember our podcast is known for dishing out more surprises than the average revenge plot twist.

So settle in and keep your friends close and your enemies

get ready to get into the nitty gritty apparently of retribution on

screen.

Yeah.

Cris: is a very rich topic, we have to say, no?

Pete: Yeah, yeah. It's very, It's fruitful.

I musts another too. I

must say, your intros, side, you go a lot easier on us than Than Res does. I

Cris: yeah, you are way too nice. You're not like that. You're very cynical in real life. So

Sidey: Yeah, no, I like it when

Pete: yeah. I would like it when you're called like dad and silly old cunt and stuff like that.

Dan: of all weeks this week I

Sidey: will

choose. Erring on the side

of caution given that we're in a fairly hostile environment violent

Pete: I guess so, Yeah, So you're not

going

Cris: say a hostile environment at the man cave. Well,

Sidey: No,

not today.

Cris: most pleasant

Pete: a hot

environment In the man cave. My, my balls are on fire. Open

Dan: a window behind you,

Pete: you.

Ah, that

involves getting up with

Cris: even open, what? It

Dan: No,

Pete: up, which is going to make me even hotter. So,

Dan: yes. Okay. Well, it involve you turning and twisting as well. Yeah.

Pete: my age, That's, that's not a

Sidey: What was last week's Top five? didn't remember,

Cris: New York

Pete: Turtle, amphibians

Sidey: It was New York? landmarks, wasn't it?

Pete: Oh, no, I'm thinking of the wrong

week

Sidey: we do have some of those, but we'll get to those in a bit. Did anyone watch anything new this week? Dan, I think

Dan: you

watched Yeah, I did. I watched a new Guy Ritchie one with Henry Cavill about un gentlemanly warfare, or something

Cris: The League of Van Warfare, I

Dan: warfare. Something along those lines. And it was pretty good. It was a story, based on a true story, of the, how the SAS started, and how Churchill basically had Seen that the germans weren't playing by the rule by setting up in neutral places And getting ready then to attack particularly the u boats that wouldn't be allowed to cross the atlantic because there were bomb animals meaning the americans couldn't get involved in the war.

And it took a mad lot of real

Sidey: was a kind of black ops thing,

Dan: Yeah, yeah, it was it was the first ever they'd taken him out of prison and sort of all this rest of it to get this mad lot together who Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Cavill's got a beard. He's looking he's looking strong. Yeah. Yeah and there's another there's a few others that you you'd probably recognize from from other films.

Other films because it's not the first time. Yeah, and you might see these actors in those films some point because then it's not Documentary.

Sidey: Nice. Okay.

Dan: but it puts together nicely. And it's I won't spoil it all. Maybe

Pete: I I'd like to

Dan: Yeah. They did actually did on you may be able to get it on iPlayer still but there was a six part dramatized thing in the same story on BBC

Pete: fucking not jobs in the desert. Yeah. I've watched that. That was brilliant. Tell me there's another series of that I can't remember it's called.

Dan: The is based on You know that one account where they went in and just load a mad s Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, this is kind of how it all

Pete: Oh that that's right. on my alley then

Dan: early then.

And,

and the fact that you know, they've, the, the, is, you know, true and, and Churchill. They play it all kind of thick on, but it was, it was,

Pete: Nice.

Sidey: you've not

been with us for

quite some time. I haven't,

Pete: I've been yeah, it's like doing

Cris: Climbing

Dan: pieces.

Pete: little old things like that. What I did do is on the on the flats,

I watched I watched some movies. I watched Oppenheimer, which I hadn't seen before.

I did quite, I did like your review of it to me, Sadie. You're going to, you can share it with us if you want, or.

Sidey: Well, I think we're gonna nominate it, maybe I'll save that.

little

Pete: Okay, perfect. So, what's up in Heimer. Watched that Argyle thing that you only reminded me of,

which I tried to erase in my memory. 'cause it was fucking cow muck. It was basically like, the, you know, the Kingsman. But done, but done really badly

Sidey: Like, Hand

Pete: up to fuck, like really

Cris: And it's, it's that guy Vaughn, yeah? So I, I actually thought this is gonna be good.

Because I, I

Sidey: Yes, that's

Pete: yeah, yeah.

Sidey: Henry Cavill's

Pete: not

in it a great deal. He's

Sidey: He's

Cris: more of a, like a, imaginary

Pete: Kind of, yeah, yeah.

But it, it is really fucking turd, so don't watch anyone. What I also did watch, which would've, which slots right into the, the genre sort of topic, this is fiosa, Which very much, even more so than

maybe

any of the Mad Max, maybe

but anyway, it's but The original one's weird in that it is a revenge film, but his family get killed with about 20 minutes to go.

And then and then he like goes on a rampage, but this one is a proper like revenge flick. Anyone else seen

Cris: Not

Sidey: yet.

no.

Pete: Okay, I won't say I won't say

Dan: okay.

Sidey: It's a weird one, because it got, like,

universally Do

Cris: you like it or not? Sorry.

Pete: basically, the

Cris: Yes or no?

Pete: problem is, Okay, I I, As a standalone film, I enjoyed it, but it does, it doesn't hit the marks of of Fury Road, which, for me, is right in my top five all time favorite films.

It's such a

Sidey: It got like universal love and praise on review and massive flop, big floppy.

Pete: It is a big floppy so far, yeah. It's still really good though, super slick. All the practical effects with the cars and shit are just like next level. It's got, believe it or not, but it may be even more action.

But it, it's, it's not the,

Sidey: it

Pete: doesn't hit like

Hit Mullet, Fury Road

does.

Cris: I've got a few movies. I've watched Amy Winehouse.

Sidey: I

Cris: I don't know,

I liked it. Because I only, I, listen, I, I like her music, I like anything that has to do with music. Because the music is going to be good, especially with someone that I like. So for me, it was good. The actors looked exactly, exactly.

I mean, they're not going to find someone that looks exactly like Amy Winehouse. Or that guy, her fella or, you know, her dad or whatever. I actually, and it's, it's very true to the story. It shows her ups and downs and the tragedy and all that. This is quite and funny at the beginning. And then it just turns really, really dark and crack pipes and everything.

I, I, I really enjoyed it to be fair, but again, I, I don't. value anything else, but the music. And I think it was pretty well acted and I didn't know half of the story

because

I never really cared. I liked her music. I didn't look into her private life and I have to say the paparazzi and that after reading, obviously after watching it, it was shocking really how people would just kind of sleeping in, in bin bags outside or like in bags outside her.

House just to take a picture. I just don't understand that. Why would people do that? And speaking of our friend Sam Rothwell,

Pete: Rockwell,

Cris: Rockwell, whatever that guy I've seen a movie with him and Regina Hall best of enemies,

Pete: Not seen

Cris: which is he's a clan like cock locks, clan leader, and she's a black people's activist.

Sidey: right?

Cris: And they obviously hate each other at the beginning, but then it's in a, in a, I think in Georgia or I don't know, somewhere in the South and in America. And he becomes

more

and more they have a debate and they have to vote on these things. And in the end, basically they become friends and they have, they, they've been lifelong friends and it's a, it's a real story.

So these people actually existed and it's based on a true story. It's been, it's really good. And, and he plays obviously the Southern. kind of racist clan

Pete: at playing pieces of

Cris: Yeah, he honestly is brilliant. And even towards the end, when he kind of turns and finds out this woman is actually normal and normal human being is quite good.

And I, and I've watched the Arnold thing, the, the pumping iron thing. I think it's a three part documentary just because I watched Conan and I thought

Sidey: Need more

Cris: It's,

yeah, I need more. Everybody needs

Pete: more.

Cris: I don't know. Yeah, exactly. So i'm pretty sure that's it

Sidey: I didn't have time for anything other than the homework, which I didn't even watch all of that.

But I had seen the

main feature before. because

I was away and I watched the E Street Band and that was fucking rad.

Cris: yeah, yes. Yeah you've been away as well. Well

Sidey: I was in Capital City they performed Born in the USA and I came.

Pete: was good. Where did

Sidey: good.

Cris: All

Sidey: All over the people

sitting in front of me they were tremendous

and I really had a good time.

Cris: good time. We had a

Sidey: We had top five last week, which was New York Landmarks. And Darren Lethley as requested, came up Trumps, he says, the Flushing Meadows, Corona Park, pivotal, to the end of men in black. One of the towers being a spaceship, which is stolen by Edgar, and then shot down crashing through the huge globe.

Believe it

Pete: Believe it or not, that was the one I was literally just thinking of when you mentioned it, so fair

Sidey: I was literally just thinking of when you mentioned it, so fair play.

Nice, come on Beaver.

Cris: Nice, go on, Beaver!

Sidey: to

Dan: Yeah,

Cris: Well, it has to be done, if you see that

Sidey: that

Dan: a real

life

Sidey: that's a real life one.

Dan: get them.

Sidey: Top five

Pete: You

wanted to do like some sort of like speed speed gnomes side, didn't you?

Sidey: Well, that the reason for that is because this is quite

fertile

territory. And I have a list that of 44.

Pete: Yeah, mine's probably a good

Sidey: and if we want to go through all

of that.

It's going to take forever. And it's

Dan: that's not a good idea. We've got to leave some jewels

Sidey: Yeah. Some meat on the bone.

for everyone

Cris: you can't because there's so many of them. It's just,

Dan: It's just, yeah, exactly.

do you want to join us? Start it off, Chris.

Cris: I can't start it off

Dan: off. Okay. Cape Fear. I'll go then. So, Cape Fear was that De Niro film that Martin Scorsese

Sidey: was, but it was also, it was a MAM.

Dan: a remake, but I first saw this as like the when I was a youth, probably a little bit too young, but

Sidey: sound believable

Cris: in the 30s.

Dan: And it's, it's De Niro is a convicted rapist released from prison

Sidey: Was he in the dutch volleyball team?

Dan: He may have been in the Dutch volleyball team,

Pete: that, that's so tropical.

Dan: and he stalks the family of the lawyer who's Nick Nolte and Jessica Lang is the the wife and it's Juliette Lewis is the daughter, and it kind of culminates on this, on this boat and it's, you know, Terrible weather.

It's like a little tugboat or something going down a river and it's just thunder and lightning and faces coming out in the, you know, just with the, with the lightning glow in their face. And revenge he saw he had all these mad tattoos and

Pete: he

Dan: Yeah. He

Pete: these

mad tattoos and everything.

Dan: Nick. No, we didn't. Ty

Pete: just steering on it

Dan: years he'd been stewing on it and waiting for revenge.

Pete: It's a chilling, really, really chilling.

Brilliant performance. Like the, whole cast like

Dan: mad,

Pete: it, but De Niro is like next. level, you know, he went method for it. Like he went for it. He like,

ground down his

Dan: teeth. Method psycho

Pete: his own teeth to make, give himself a more menacing look. Obviously he got himself in ridiculous Nick, like shredded to fuck.

And he actually stalked people. He would just pick people at random to stalk over a period of time. Just to see how close you could get to them their house that like what you could learn about them and everything like that.

He went full method for this. And it comes across in the performance because he is a scary motherfucker, Yeah

Dan: imagine what what what role wouldn't you let de niro play what would just be it's two method

for you

Pete: anything, with Fockers at the end Rocky and Bullwinkle, basically everything he's done in the

last like

Dan: thinking more more along, side

Sidey: don't go method as a pedo.

Dan: Yeah, yeah or or like, you know a mad bomber or or something like that deniro taking it to the next level

Pete: him being a pedo is more acceptable than anything to do with the Fockers films, like Meet the Parents and stuff. They're, they're lowest of the low.

Dan: is revenge,

Pete: are we going?

Dan: We're gonna go to chris

Pete: No, let's, that makes it confusing. Let's go in a direction.

Dan: Okay, let's

Sidey: Yours? Me? Oh, well, I've got two. It's Kill Bill 1

Cris: yes,

Sidey: Uma Thurman is part of a guild of hit people.

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: she wants out because she's having a baby. and

she She's having a

Pete: having a baby with the guy who runs

Sidey: this? Yeah, it's very incestuous. And,

No

Pete: on bridge with

Sidey: No

honor amongst Hitman, I

think. And So

on her wedding day, She is axed. Well, shot, actually. And left for dead. But she doesn't die, But she's

thinking,

Cris: kid dies, the baby dies though.

Pete: No, the

Sidey: no kids, kids with him at the

end of the second one. And you would Think

as

hit As

professional assassins.

Pete: They'd make a bit of fist of it.

Sidey: but You'd

always put one in the head. like this or Never leave any room for doubt.

If you're a, you

know, if You're a pro.

Cris: that's what I do.

Sidey: Like when Jill Dando was killed on a

doorstep fucking one in the head, bang gone You wouldn't,

you wouldn't take that chance. And they make fucking pay for that mistake. Because over the course of two films She kills them all. Name, it's in the fucking title, but it, does happen as well. it plays out that way.

Pete: Yeah.

This was, this might be the best, like, revenge film of all I know Obviously it's over two films, but it's fucking absolutely epic.

Yeah,

Dan: Yeah, it

Sidey: really good.

Pete: yeah. Like you say though, little bit flawed in the fact that they're all like lethal hit, hit men.

Sidey: It's obviously a a homage to all the stuff that Tarantino's a fan of.

and the crazy 88 and

all that sort of shit and people that in it, it's all a

Pete: He does, he's,

Sidey: does, it's really

Pete: recurring theme in his films, where that because in Glorious Bastards, is effectively a revenge film. because obviously Shoshana, gets to Burn, all the Nazis. I don't know if, if, Django Unchained is, I mean, he wants to just recover his wife.

Sidey: but there's a lot of,

retribution along the way, yeah, yeah.

Pete: Yeah. Yeah. So, so, yeah, there's a lot of,

Sidey: he likes that, he likes that as a theme, yeah,

Pete: Yeah,

Marcellus Wallace gets a bit revenge after he gets bummed.

Cris: But there's loads of stories in one movie, so that's not just about

Pete: that.

No. it's not a revenge film But yeah. yeah,

Sidey: it's a feature of So

yeah, kill bill 1 and 2,

Cris: Yeah, I also have someone that loves to kill people. And it is V from V from Vendetta.

Who, he was in a mental institution. He was getting tested all the time. on? was getting tested with whatever they were testing him on with all these viruses and all these things. He was in the fifth, in the room number five, hence the letter V, and he developed these incredible powers, burned the building down, and then he decides to, I think it's quite a time later, is this utopian future in,

Sidey: dystopian. It's quite quite different

Cris: future in England,

where he decides to kill everyone.

Sidey: living in the subway

Cris: Yes,

in, in, yeah.

Sidey: and gets

Natalie Portman

involved.

and She shaved her

head

memorably for

the film. Could go full wanker and say that the books,

the graphic

novels are better.

but

Cris: I don't know. I,

Sidey: really enjoyed both.

the,

Cris: read that,

Sidey: the original text and I really enjoyed the film

Cris: this is one of my favorite films and I, I like Agent Smith in it.

Sidey: Hugo Weaving's really good. And also

the

The

face mask became the symbol for

Anonymous, the, the hacker group you know, it says it was, it

was taken off.

Cris: once had sex with a girl that had a mask like that,

Sidey: Did she wear it?

Cris: put it backwards, which is quite strange. It's quite funny,

Pete: Whilst you were having sex with her, she had a

Cris: She, she

put, yeah, she, I, can I, how do I say this? She,

Pete: this

is more interesting than our Top five topic, this story.

Cris: Well, yeah. Be I, I don't think it's more interesting, but

Sidey: I do,

Cris: she, she had the thing on and then she went doggy style and she put the

Sidey: thing

Cris: other way around,

so, so I could see the, yeah. The back of the head was the guy. It is very strange. Like the,

Pete: of that struck you as weird? or

Cris: I was too far in.

I was too far

Pete: far in all the way by the sounds of it. Yeah.

Only,

only cause I'm, I'm trying to, in this speed noming rounds I'm,

you

Cris: mentioned, I dunno how that segues into

Pete: No. No, no, I'm just picking up Natalie Portman. Obviously Leon is her, looking for revenge for the murderers of her family. Look, Gary Oldman, I fucking love Gary Oldman.

Anyway that isn't one of my nominations, so it doesn't count. I would like

to get to,

to shout out to,

yeah,

two bodies of work from Sh Shane, Meadows? Yeah. Dead Man's Shoes. What a film. I can't believe I, li I went, so I didn't watch it because I was terrified to watch it because of how fucking chilling people had told me it is, but like, I've

Sidey: I It

is, but it's not scary.

Pete: not, like, yeah, it's not hide behind the couch, it's, it's fucking

Sidey: wow

Pete: But yeah, that, that film's obviously all about revenge Paddy Gonsalin's

Sidey: it's an all time performance by

Pete: It's fucking unbelievable. Yeah, I'm getting, like, tingly thinking about it.

I'm just, and obviously there's, there's a, there's a twist element to it as well. Like, I mean, it was a revenge film anyway. But, obviously there's a bit of a a nasty twist and a not particularly happy ending either. But, yeah, he, he gets revenge in, in the most sinister of ways. the other, Part and the reason why I mentioned body of work is is in this is england and it still fucking gets me, like, It still gets me this is so in the original film, which I think is set in like 1983.

Obviously, you've got Stephen graham's character.

Combo.

Have you not?

Cris: Yeah, i've not seen this

Pete: Oh, wow, like so all of this is is worth I mean you'd be right up your alley. It's about racism, West Ham fuckers, like, you know,

Sidey: you know, shit.

Pete: But no, it's, like, it's,

it's yeah, so basically Stephen Graham's a fucking brilliant actor Anyway, his his character combo is like he's like he's a skinhead. He's he's you know, he's Complicated let's say like tough upbringing and everything And, and, like, so they're in, it's, kind of like, flirts around like the skinhead kind of movement, but, you know, there's a black guy Milky his name is as part of their crew, or whatever, and, and they're very accepting, it's more kind of, like, half of them are leaning more towards, like, the SCAR movement, and the other half leaning more towards, like, the National Front movement.

And it becomes like split up, but basically combo this, this guy batters Milky one night. Because his family are like doing all right, they're from the Caribbean originally, and he just gets jealous and vindictive and ends up fucking battering him. And then what you have is the film, it doesn't resolve itself in the film, then you've got three different series of, episodes in I think it's 86,

88 and 90.

And Milky eventually gets his revenge right at the end of the series in This is England 90. If you haven't watched it, I won't spoil it. But it's like long, it's protracted, long drawn out. It, runs through the, and Combo you kind of like, such an incredible character. you, he does terrible things but he also does unbelievably like selfless things as well.

He goes to, pretty takes the fall for some, one of his friends and goes to prison for a long time and everything.

And And yeah, the the revenge is exacted towards the end of that, and it kind of leaves you feeling like, like a little bit like dead man's shoes kind of like, a like overwhelmed at how powerful it all is, but also a little bit fucking like dead inside as well.

So super fucking powerful writing and acting and everything. So definitely worth a mention.

Dan: Well, I'm

going to go for old boy, which we've talked about revenge.

Pete: fest, isn't it

Dan: Yeah. We talk about revenge. Well, They don't do it much better than this. It's after being kidnapped and in prison for like 15 years, this guy's released and he's got to track down his captor within five days.

Within this time he meets a gal together, they're kind of, you know, teamed up and and He eventually finds the person that did it and he can't understand. I mean, he wakes up in a room in the same room that he's been in for 15 years every day. He gets knocked out, bit of food comes in, all this kind of thing.

He doesn't know why. He's just been taken off the street and put into this room and he, and then one day he's released. And he knows nothing. It's just complete head

Cris: he escapes, he

Dan: And he, he, he gets out. No, I think they allow him to escape. He's allowed to get out. And He's he's then kind of uh Catapulted into this this revenge story to find out who it is, but the guy actually who's doing it all it's it's kind of a revenge for him as well it's a dark twist at the end.

And it's got a feature in any revenge

Sidey: Mm-Hmm.

Get it. If you like

octopus it's decent. Yeah,

What about

revenge

of the nerds.

Dan: Ooh.

Sidey: It's right there in the

title. Just like kill bill. It's you know, There's a lot

of revenge. I remember watching this as a teenager and there was boobs like. Nerdy guys and like Flirtatious titillation and Getting one over on the on the jocks It probably if you watch it now age I think I

Cris: would age fucking absolutely terribly. Apparently sequels there

Sidey: well. I think

I would still like it. I

think

Pete: I've watched bits of one or something like that. I wouldn't say I've I've watched it.

Dan: I wouldn't be able to

Cris: be able to relate.

Dan: bit like Porky's. Was it in that same kind of theme? I

Sidey: think, to be honest, I would probably get quite confused between which one was

Porky's and

Pete: Porky's. I thought Porky's was more like Like whatever the word is saucy than revenge of the nerds.

Sidey: the one that has the shower?

Pete: Yeah, that's sort of like the glory hole

Cris: When they look through

Sidey: I always

Pete: there's actually Porky's 3 is called porky's revenge So that ties in nicely.

Sidey: let's, let's, let's lump that all in

Pete: up on chris's. mid week Confessions I definitely had a tug to kim cattrall in porky's

Yeah

Cris: in the city. Sorry.

and sex in the

Pete: Oh, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: Okay.

Cris: let's

Sidey: Well let's, let's wrap

up Revenge of the Nerds and Porky's into one, sort of collective

Dan: segues

Cris: Porky's into one collective

Sidey: Oh, lovely.

Cris: epilogue. Son of a, well, I don't know.

Pete: know.

Son

Cris: of a murdered wife. Husband of a murdered wife,

Sidey: Father to a kid is dead as

Cris: to a, yeah, father to a murdered

Sidey: Have

you seen the trailer for 2?

Cris: for 2? I

Pete: Oh my God. Is it, I didn't

even know this was a thing.

Sidey: Yeah, yeah,

Cris: it's October?

Sidey: trailer drops.

Pete: Is it Russell

Crow as well? No. No, dead. Oh, he

Cris: Pedro Pascal.

Sidey: it's, It's

his

It's it's

Dan: his grandson

Sidey: it's his

grandson

Yeah,

Cris: it's Lucius. I'm Lucious.

Pete: already worried.

Oh, Lucius

is like the little boy, like his,

Sidey: But it's where they'll Wacky

fella.

They

fill the coliseum with water.

they're gladiating on boats and shit. In the

Pete: Gladiator on

Cris: Yes. Yeah, it's called I dunno,

Sidey: know But it's, Ridley Scott, you

know Oh, is it?

Yeah, yeah,

it's the

Cris: Pedro Pascal it's good. The trailer looks good.

Sidey: soundtrack looks bloody, It

Pete: made

me blub a little bit, so hopefully it's

Cris: is a very good movie, I

Sidey: his revenge as well at the end, didn't

Cris: got it in his range, yeah. He kills Commodus. But it's obviously he's the general of the legions of the north. Conquers Germania. Tries to get home. Marcus Aurelius, the great Marcus Aurelius, should be said wants to have him as a Rome to be a Republic.

He says no, then decides to say yes. Meanwhile, Commodus kills. Marcus Aurelius is that and tries to have sex with his sister numerous times, which is

Pete: I would have

Cris: yeah, I agree. And then he's declared dead. He's not dead. And he comes back to Rome in the form of a gladiator. After he trains, he trains a little bit like Conan.

To be fair, he's trained a little bit like he's already got the skills.

Sidey: He's

Pete: Oliver Reed.

Sidey: drunk, Yeah. yeah.

Cris: he's got, he's got, he's got.

Sidey: Read about how he died? Cause he died

Pete: during the

Sidey: film? and they had to like

Pete: weird CGI

Sidey: He took on some sailors in a drinking competition. And drank.

There was a list. If you can find the story online, And

Pete: of what he drank

Sidey: then just died in a pool

of vomit and shite

Pete: he would have wanted to go.

Sidey: terrible.

Pete: Yeah.

Cris: I mean, yeah, so, so I have that, as a nomination.

Pete: It's an absolute banger.

Sidey: That's great, Yeah.

Pete: I'm going to only like, okay. I think this is on my list.

And also because, we mentioned him before, but.

Anyone remember

what Harry Harry Henry Cavill's First film was

Cris: superman

Dan: Cristo

Pete: Count of Monte Cristo is correct Daniel. And I really, really like

Dan: It's a great movie. Yeah, it

Pete: like that. But It's got Richard Harris.

Sidey: Harris. it's

Dan: It is got Guy Pierce.

Guy

Pete: Pearce is in it. I can't remember the name of the, like the actual protagonist, but the, the actor who plays him, I can't remember. He's not in a great deal of things, but he's, it's a really good performance. from him. And it's that feel, like you feel the.

Dan: Yeah.

Pete: throughout Just basically Guy Pearce is the bastard and and he, he like, is jealous.

effectively Yeah. That's it. Yeah, he's, he's just super jealous. And Henry Cavill plays the, the the county cross So son. Yeah. yeah

Dan: right.

Pete: is a strange son. He obviously doesn't know he's around. And yeah, he comes back and, and wins the day. And exacts his revenge and everything. It's a really

Dan: good film.

I'd like

Pete: I'd like to, I'd actually like to re watch it. I haven't watched it for a while, but I'd like to re

Sidey: it. I

think there's a TV series of it,

Dan: it but the film, I'm not sure about the TV series, but I watched the film probably two or three years ago and

Cris: Sorry, did you, did you say, I've not watched this one with Henry Cavill, but did you say that is Edmond Dantes's son in the, in the film?

Pete: I'm sure it's the, I'm sure he impregnates his wife before he,

Dan: it's not his son, it's some relation to him

Pete: I'm sure, I think it's, okay, maybe I've got it wrong, that's his son. but yeah, he's

Cris: Right,

so he's not the actual actor, he's not the actual main character himself, Henry

Dan: No, no, he's a very bit part

Pete: Henry Caval plays the site.

He's, It's more, it's not a cameo, but he, he comes back into it after the first, like, act is played out that involves the, the

Count of Monte, whatever his

Cris: Right, so

Dan: Yeah, he's not, he's not in it very much. He's not in it very much at all. The son is it's all about the count of Monte Cristo

Cris: right? Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: kind of

Pete: And, And also again, just to cheat and get another, one in, they're talking about Guy Pearce Memento, which Sidey memorably

spoiled, and probably going to spoil again. But it's, it's a revenge film without being a revenge film

Sidey: Yeah, because you don't know, yeah.

Pete: Which if you're going to spoil it again, then that will that what I just said

Cris: it's, sorry, I can spoil it.

I still haven't watched it. So, Pete,

Dan: look peter I I will find you and I will kill you and that is kind of um, liam neeson.

He's just made a living off that now for the last day I know, 15, 15, 20 movies. He's gone stratospheric now, as far as that character.

Pete: seen him in

Dan: Oh, he's really good. Taken like as it because it's good fun. It's an hour and a half and it's new. You know, then he's done like another seven of them and kind of every other character, he's playing the same guy.

And some of them stick and some of them don't. But this was the first one. And it is based around

his his daughter. Going missing and

Cris: she is taken in Paris,

Dan: not going missing.

Pete: Is that what it's called? So

Dan: yeah, yeah, some, she's off in Europe and, you know, first trip and she's sweet talked into,

Sidey: she's able to get a 32nd phone call.

and That's enough for him.

Dan: To find

Sidey: piece enough evidence and

then to, and then taking

Pete: He's a serious operator.

They bucked up the wrong tree here

Dan: man with a with a certain set of skills and

Sidey: he, he's, that's the bit, he gets the phone towards the end and he says, I've, you know,

Dan: will find

Sidey: got a certain skill, skill set. I will find you and I will kill

Pete: I've, I've only, I, I know

that that that freight or that sent that sort of whatever the words monologue only because the guy the family guy guy

Sidey: Peter Griffin,

Seth

Pete: remember,

the guy who does all the,

Sidey: Seth MacFarlane.

Pete: Yes did the monologue on the Graham Norton show, but in Kermit the Frog's voice, Which, which is quite funny.

Sidey: I

Dan: Yeah, I can't do it like that, but but he, you know, they took his daughter, he will take their lives,

Sidey: And it happens to her again

Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cris: I think the

Sidey: the first one,

Cris: the second one I think is his wife, or ex wife. And the third one is the daughter

Sidey: she's She's a bit skilled up.

Pete: is like 24,

We're like every season.

Fucking,

Sidey: I love that as

Pete: kiefers,

Cris: No, but the first one,

Sidey: is good

Cris: you, because the first one is good.

Dan: And that is the one that I'm mentioning for this. Yeah.

Sidey: There's Game of Thrones to think about, which within that has various, I guess everyone's sort of scheming and trying to get revenge, and even when they get revenge, that's not enough.

But, the one I was thinking was Arya stark who there's that memorable scene, probably the most memorable scene of any fucking, episode of anything I've ever watched, maybe not to in peace actually. But the, No, I'm thinking of The episode is called The reins of Castamere, but it's the Red Wedding when the whole Stark family is killed.

and then it

Pete: goes

Sidey: and it goes on and on and on

for for ages later, like series later of her getting skilled up and, She's

with the hound for ages then she's with the Face

Pete: Faceless

Sidey: And, and then eventually it, she turns up. We don't know. And there's this feast, and it's at the place where the red wedding happened, and then the face comes off and she's fed the whole family.

Pete: Yeah. His son's

Sidey: to the ma to the, to the guy who'd fucking, like, done the dirty on them. And then she fucking, I think she slits his

Pete: slits his throat and lets him

Sidey: and it's such a great payoff. Yeah. It's one of like, the, the res academy is one of the most, if you've never seen it, There's you can just watch reaction video on YouTuber, people watching the

first time 'cause jarring. You're not. You know that in game of thrones anyone

anyone, anyone can go at any time, But this is like so many people are killed in one scene.

and it's brutal and the payoff it, They they draw it out in a good way

Like they, they build up and up and up and it's so sweet.

Pete: the good thing is, is that in Game of Thrones, not everybody gets their revenge. Some people, that you're desperate for them to

Sidey: Mainly because of how fucking shit the ending was, but

Pete: Well, yeah, that, that was, yeah. I mean, I, I was gonna, I've got a, a, a big list of, them. what what I would want to say, like, Cersei is the absolute queen of revenge, though, in, in all of it, like, she, like, blowing up the Sept of Baelor with the Tyrells and the High Sparrow in it, like, they all

Sidey: The shame woman.

Pete: Yeah, I've got her down, like Septa and Ella getting just tied to a bench and then the zombie mountain coming

Sidey: it. And

Pete: And her walking out saying, shame, shame, Shame. Shame and just shutting the door. And you don't even, you don't, you kind of wanted to see what happened, but like the fact that they didn't show you what happened.

But also the, you know, with the, the Martell.

Wife, I can't remember her name in the sand snakes the last remaining daughter, like, doing that thing, like the kiss, that's gonna, what then she's gonna see her own daughter die in a cell, and then she's just gonna slowly decay while she's being kept alive, to watch her daughter fucking, like, decaying in front of her, like, Cersei is one cold, cold bitch and Tyrion gets a bit revenge II as well.

He like shoots his dad on

Sidey: on the bog

Pete: shade to death cuz finds her in it But I mean, yeah, but like revenge

Sidey: is Mm-Hmm.

Pete: never been exacted more cruelly. Um than, than in game of thrones

Dan: Does it come back around to

Pete: No,

Sidey: think, no. I think it's time.

This

Pete: go.

Dan: It's almost time for choices, isn't it?

Cris: The last one I have, obviously After listening to all this Game of Thrones shit.

Pete: Oh mate, watch it

and grow up. No, It's amazing.

It's

Cris: too late for that.

Gerard Butler in A Law Abiding Citizen.

Sidey: Yeah, I thought

that

might crop

Cris: Which

Dan: I've not seen this

Pete: I've not seen this. It's,

Cris: It's, it's, honestly, it's, I, I think as a revenge film and as a

I have to say, because I watched it so many times, I must have watched it, I don't know, six

Dan: Oh, really?

Cris: Yeah, it's really good. It's really good. The, the, the first scene when the, the perpetrators break into his house and whatever, it's almost, it's a little bit kind of, you know how it is with these revenge movies. Sometimes it kind of looks forced, which is like, oh, we've, we've, we've done the one with Bronson.

Death

Wish, where it looks a little bit like, they didn't have to kill all of them, but it's kind of the same thing, where it looks forced in the way that But this guy, the, the, the, I can't remember his, his name, the killer guy, he's such a dick and Jerry Butler just gets tied down really quickly and he can't really, but he, he just looks in and then he, Jamie Foxx sets this guy free in court and he kind of, Jerry Butler has a.

agreement with like, you're going to put this guy behind bar. And then that Jamie Foxx just looks at the percentages and he doesn't want to lose the case. So he's like, well, it's a win. He goes to prison. He confessed, blah, blah, blah. We're looking for the death penalty for the guy that looked the less guilty who really didn't really want to be

Pete: accomplice.

Cris: Yeah. And then the guy Darby, I think was his name in the movie. I can't remember the actor's name who, is the guilty guy who killed his wife. I think he rapes her at

Pete: he does.

Cris: Yeah. He rapes her and the kid dies and like, he kills everyone. He's like, Oh, I got four years or whatever. And he waits and plans to a certain, to such an extent, his revenge.

And it's one of the best quotes in a movie where the Jamie Foxx character is a district attorneys, like a prosecutor. And he meets this undercover guy from the CIA or whatever. He's like, you don't understand. This guy is a born tactician. He, whatever you think you've got on him. He's five steps ahead of you.

He, we had him kill someone with a tie before. He makes everything look like an accident. He's doing this, he's doing that, blah, blah. Like, you don't understand. This guy, if he's in prison, he wants to be there.

Pete: Whoa.

Dan: I'm

just aware that, you know, they can go on, like, not just you, me, like, I

Cris: Yeah, anyway, law abiding

Citizen

Dan: Sinson. Lord Byron Sinson. I

Pete: Yeah, let's talk about law abiding citizen

Dan: Sorry, Chris, he's not like No,

Pete: Yeah, yeah, sorry. Okay.

yeah, I'm

Dan: like a fucking

Sidey: frog.

Pete: Right, so I'm, okay, I'm going into noms the, the, just very quickly mentioning some films, I won't actually talk about them. Gangster New York is, is all about revenge, and I know you love Daniel Day Lewis side. Revenge of the Pink Panther. It's the sixth film. We, we were talking about Jaws the Revenge before, and how completely ludicrous it is that the shark follows Brody's widow to Jamaica or Bahamas or whatever it is.

Revenge of the Sith, probably the worst. Star Wars film of all time you like it so because you're a dick and of course, I just wanted to very quickly mention There's a blackout of reference for everything and Hugh Laurie in season 2, episode 6 chains is prince ludwig Um the the sort of like yeah, the the the scorned and mocked german shorty greasy Spotspot And he he says that they'll all regret the day that they mocked his complexion.

He will come back Re his rouge. 'cause he's German and he mispronounces things all the way through the episode like Apollo's and Inconvenience and stuff like that but

Sidey: not, Is that not your nomination? I thought that

would

Pete: No, that's not, it's not my nomination My nomination is Game of Thrones like you stole it from me, but Yeah, the revenge and Game of Thrones are are top draw.

Dan: Well, William Shakespeare, gotta get a shout Revenge Hamlet That was a big big one for him. But my nomination will be Probably the the more

Pete: Remember when you told Chris off for being boring before.

Dan: Yeah, no, it, I used to be more

Sidey: really upset. We're all upset.

Dan: I'm gonna go Cape Fear.

Pete: Yeah,

Sidey: I'm going for the office.

Gareth and Tim, and they're escalating pranks and it culminates in Tim putting Gareth's stapler in jelly. There you go.

Cris: Gladiator.

Pete: It's a good one.

Dan: concise,

Sidey: we need one more nom from you lot.

Is that are you okay with that,

Dan: Yeah, I think so.

Sidey: Sound, okay, perfect. It's for The public.

Right, so we're in John Wick someone kills this dog and then he kills everyone.

Pete: his and

Dan: you like

Pete: then he kills everyone. Nice, did you like it?

Sidey: that

on the pod last week, and then, but I did pick this.

Like asterisk to say it might

Pete: Yeah, it was it was just to kind of like save the amount of time and this is a shorter film

Sidey: You've always had beef with the idea that

the

Pete: well,

Sidey: kicks off about a dog 'cause you

Pete: Yeah, like like no dog is worth fucking going that like crazy over but I'd never watched any of the John Wick films, So I thought it'd be good to start at one because it precedes the other ones

apparently

Yeah, I'd heard that it was all about dogs and stuff.

and like, It's not all about dogs. But a dog does play a prominent sort of part in the

Sidey: It's the catalyst.

Pete: Yeah. In the motive of the remainder of the film. Essentially as you said, Si, this is about a guy who we don't know a lot about, whose house is broken into

Sidey: a suit.

Pete: Yeah.

What you do know, you see

him at the very

Cris: doesn't really wear a suit, no, at the beginning.

Pete: Well you do see a

Sidey: scene That's his hitman a tie though, isn't it? Yeah.

Pete: and he's all like shot up and fucked up and he's like, looks like he's dying, his car rolls slowly into a thea like a brick, whatever. And you see him watching a video of, of a woman saying that she loves him and stuff like that, and he passes out.

And then, yeah, we've got this kind of like, scene of a chart looks like a chance

Robbery at

his house, they take a shine to his

Sidey: Nice gaff.

Pete: Yeah, they

Sidey: it's got a Mustang. Is it?

Pete: He has got a Mustang Well, What he does have is a dog Which was, a his wife obviously died of cancer, I think it was And she left him a dog that gets delivered the day or two after she's passed

Sidey: Yeah.

Pete: as a kind of like reminder, a companion for him to like, you know Help him, you know, deal with his grief and and to move on Anyway, these fucks come in his house and kill his dog and, and fuck

Sidey: less than thrilled about it.

Pete: Yeah. Yeah. They, they, they

Dan: yeah. It takes away the one kind of companion to his grief. Yeah. And when that's gone, he flips back into his previous

Pete: Yeah. Which, you know, nothing about. And

also,

they, they take his car

Cris: yeah, to make things worse, they steal his car because that's what the wife says. Like, Oh, this is something to help you grieve. It's something for you to love. The

Dan: can't love a car. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And he's he then gets a bus doesn't he? He finds a guy. He knows where that car would have turned up and sure enough it had been there. And

Pete: local sort of cut and shot

Dan: and, and the way he quickly finds out who he's dealing with,

Sidey: Hasn't he got

Dan: is the mafias, the local mafia Lord son.

Sidey: I didn't watch it. I have seen it, but I didn't have time because of being away and everything to watch it again, but doesn't he? Have to hammer through his floor. Yeah.

To get

Pete: He, did this, this is after What he does first is, is goes to see, Is John Legue. Him, who's a, who's an absolute

Sidey: ledge. Yeah.

Pete: And, and less, less, how you put it down It's, it's ultimately so he finds out that it's this guy.

more importantly, this guy or like, or this guy's dad. Finds out who it is whose dog he's killed

Sidey: like, whoa. and, then

Pete: and straight away Everyone who's mentioning this guy's name. John wick is like, oh, what the fuck?

John Wick,

Dan: is in it is baba yaba

Pete: Baba yaga or whatever, yeah, the boogeyman.

Dan: he goes no, this isn't the boogeyman This is the guy you send to kill the boogeyman and and so he's just this assassin legend

Sidey: It's almost as if they're like, well, we're all gonna die.

Like,

Dan: Yeah,

Pete: yeah, and that's that's that's pretty much so that obviously sets the wheels in motion kind of makes me think retrospectively well They, they got into his house and fucked him up quite easily.

But I guess he, he was retired, didn't see it coming, he's just minding his

Sidey: his own business. He's

not a murderer, He doesn't,

you know, he doesn't go out looking for trouble, but if you hire him for a job, in what his profession was.

Dan: one better. He's, he's a man of intense focus. Absolutely. When he needs to be. and

Pete: reference to the fact that he was effectively allowed out of, he was like a, you know, he was a gun for hire, A hitman, but he was allowed to leave that way of life because he did a job that was so.

so hard.

and that helped set up this kind of like, you know Mafia family for for life

Dan: There's a few little legends shared through the story that just big him up a little bit Oh, I see one seen him kill a man with a pencil like three guys at a bar or something And I've done this I've done that you're already dead like you're you know, he's just telling people they already Preparing just for the worst in the hope they might be able to get slow him down or get a shot at him But inevitably each story is just bringing you a little bit closer to the ultimate which is he Just going in an impossible situation in the buildings.

I'm speeding up and he'll make then You know the impossible a reality and which is what he did to start off this Mafia Lords business.

Pete: what you end up with is this Mafia Lord, this Russian guy, who's in it's his son, who's like, fucked with the, like, barked up the

Sidey: alfie allen, isn't it?

Pete: It is Alfie Allen, is the son. I thought he played it pretty well, considering he's like a Russian American kind of like, very hateable. as like theon grayjoy was quite hateable as well but he, he plays that really well, but yeah. You, start then and, and this, this mafia boss is, is then going almost like begrudgingly, he respects John Wick.

He, and, well, he should, like, he knows what he's all about and so on, but he then starts trying to arrange You other people to, to put hits on him because he knows the storm is coming and one of those guys is willem defoe and his, his character, Yeah. Who's, who's like a, a crack sniper. And he gives, he's saying, listen, I'll give you two million dollars to, to off John Wick, and he's like, well, yeah, I'll, take it.

So but anyway, like, the, the plot really is, is not that involved. It's not, it's just wave after wave of, of people who are trying to take John Wick out before he gets to Alfie Allen's character.

You And All of them failing. Like there's this safe House Hotel

that played the continental

which is run by Lovejoy.

He's given up the antiques game and now he's, he's

Sidey: stepped it up. Yeah.

Pete: Yeah, He's, he's like the, who I think is the only other person that doesn't end up dead in the whole film other than John Wick. Everyone else fucking

Sidey: his mate in the

hotel

Cris: hotel. Yeah,

Pete: the guy, like the, Oh, the receptionist, Yeah, yeah.

So, two or three of them make it. But this I like, I quite like this, it's quite a cool kind of like device as part of the film. This is almost like a safe house that, The, the, you know, Hits will go there, fucking hit men will go there, like, rival mafia representatives or wherever they go there, but the the absolute rule is, like, nothing happens.

Sidey: sacred ground. And it, what the film does, because we've seen Hitman films before, we've seen this kind of fire. no, no, because the violence actually is quite stylized in this, but it could just be any revenge story where you've killed someone that I love, I'm going to come after you i'm going to kill you we've seen it in x amount of films that we talked about in the top five but this one Yeah. What it does on top of that is that it builds this law Around the world that they live in is this kind of secret society that exists in these hotels and there is

very very strict code and and rules around what you can and can't do And there's a whole currency thing

Pete: gold coins.

Sidey: really, they really expand on that to sort of elevate it, I think, a little bit. To just Away because it could fall into the trap of just being

Yeah, And also

Cris: also the language,

Dan: Yeah, because it's all very

Cris: no business. Is there is there I want to make dinner reservations. How many people for six?

It's all these codes for, for cleaning services. Like he killed 26 people or whatever

Dan: Yeah. Dinner reservation for 26,

Pete: like that Mitchell and Webb look, you know, where it's like a mafia boss, And he's like, right? yeah, So take care of business and he's and like He's going like do you mean kill him? Please? Can you just explicitly say like kill him? And He's like, yeah Yeah, make sure that he ha has a little accident. It's like no. No, do you mean kill it? Like, Yeah, there's loads of that. It's like speaking in in codes that

Cris: But it's a nice elevated sentences.

It's not, there's no business to be conducted. There's no, it's not just like, yeah why

Pete: No, it's, It's not sort of done in a, in a, like a crass clumsy

Dan: all very gentlemanly,

Pete: yeah.

There is a code, there is a, a

Sidey: and This is a franchise and

once you Start getting through it. They expand upon that throughout

the different films and the hierarchy and all that.

Pete: there's clearly another agent hit, hit person or whatever. Is it Reynolds? The girl's name is like Super hot Perkins. That's

it.

Sidey: Sue Perkins.

Pete: who's obviously someone that's worked alongside John Wick, always familiar? Like to him at one point. She's she's been you know, given a contract for john wick as well and we get You know some amusing tussles with her. She holds her own against. him

Dan: She does but she plays it dirty doesn't she and and gets found out. Towards the end. Because she plays on continental grounds

Pete: so what she does is break that golden rule of doing it. So she attacks John in his room at the Continental.

Dan: despite all this he battles on to the this kind of nightclub where your man is and and he battles his way through in, in, you know, in all kinds of scene, doesn't he?

Build a battler. He's gone through one nightclub scene where you know, it's so busy in there, but he manages to shoot the right people,

Sidey: And get up close. And he's

Dan: And he's quite

vulnerable, it's not like, only

Sidey: he is,

Pete: there is, yeah.

Sidey: There's this one, and as you go through the films, so many fucking headshots where people just get shot in the face in like point blank range. I really like the way they do it.

Sometimes you can feel like it's very choreographed, it's almost balletics a dance. it depends whether you like that or not. I, still like, I really like it. And he, he doesn't, he does have an air of invulnerability because in this film,

this

film, he survives. it Doesn't in the fourth one.

Pete: Whoa.

Sidey: we already spoiled that, like

Cris: that? Oh yeah, loads, yeah, it's,

Dan: don't know.

Sidey: But he takes, he takes a lot of hits along the way. Yeah, and and so in this whilst it is a fairly simplistic in terms of someone's wronged him And he's going on revenge to kill them all he, he takes a few lumps and bumps

Pete: yeah, And I I think like i'm i'm guessing 'cause you, you don't I dunno if there is like a one any of the films are about like The backstory or anything like that.

You don't see him in his prof original profession I imagine that that's far more when he's the one That is making the hit but no one knows he's coming and so on I imagine it's it's probably not doesn't play out as kind of like Not clumsily, but you know,

He

he's gonna end up in situations. They all know he's coming at every point

Sidey: in this film.

Pete: Like in the safe houses in this, this whole scene in like the club or whatever, which, which is a big chunk of the film, but it's so fucking cool. Like all of it, like the, the way he like knows to which guys to to take out first. And then he's like getting their phones and their ear pieces as well. So that he can, he knows.

Where they are and everything even to the point where Yosef finally somehow manages to get away But rings his like number one guy to go like right. I fucking need you and he's like, oh, he's already dead Because john wick's got his phone and everything. That's that's all like super cool you've got like Willem Dafoe's character all the way along like just like pot shotting people Who were trying to take Joe. now at that point in time, I think you're probably meant to I thought oh well He's he wants to take these guys out because he wants the 2 million He wants the hit and the kudos of taking out john wick, but doesn't play out like that.

It turns out. that. He's actually still on, on John wick side.

Dan: bit of a deeper connection there, isn't

Pete: exactly. like whether I don't know if there's

like A mentor thing going on or whatever, but it didn't really go like delve into william defoe's characters like backstory at all But Yeah, it it it gets it gets to the point ultimately where The the gangster gives up his own son.

Like that bit was kind of like wow Like, is this really how this would, I didn't see that kind of playing

Dan: out Baba yeager isn't isn't messing around and when he's got the mafia boss by the the cojones. He is he's ready to offer up his own son's safe house address rather than You Be killed himself and he says okay pull the contract as well because he's had a ton of people Trying to shoot him Perkins and a few others and he heads to that house then which is just covered

Pete: super quick.

There he is, just like the guys on the roof, the guys in

Dan: Bang bang

Pete: the poor, the poor cu that's playing like the shoot him up game just gets it straight in the neck, like from, from a mile away or whatever. and he just dispatches

Dan: Well, he doesn't prolong.

Yeah, he

Pete: see it clearly. At first I was thinking was it him?

Like

Dan: one in the gut, one in the head, boom, gone, just turns away.

Pete: And, and, the, the, the boss kind of even gives him a bit of like, he's like, thanks for making it a quick death. Where, where he takes on bridges with Willem Dafoe is because he, he didn't, you know, he was never going to like, you know, make good on that contract.

Dan: That's right. Yeah.

Pete: Yeah. He, he takes it out. I mean, Dafoe kind of asks for it.

What's

Cris: What's an important plot twist in this thing is that he gets caught, John Wick.

Pete: Oh yeah.

Cris: So,

Willem Dafoe helps him escape, so that's a big thing in the movie because he does get caught eventually by the Mafia and by the Russian guys.

Dan: as you said, Side. Fucking gun to the head, like, you know,

Sidey: that's what I like because this is this is hitman world And that's how they would fucking do it. You know, that's why I Don't understand all this stuff in

Dan: so frustrating.

Sidey: Where you leave someone that you fucking shoot them in the

head.

Pete: but it's like, it's like it's like saying about like if the, in the first bond film, like fucking they got the laser and just cut him in half.

Like there's no more bond films. It's, it's, you know, you have to suspend your disbelief.

Sidey: Pete, because I don't know if you know, but in the last Bond film he does

Pete: He does die. Good, Good spoiler. He does, but they but only like

Sidey: there will be more Bond films

Pete: films in. But yeah, Defoe eventually ends up getting.

Captured

it Like, is it in his own house,

or is it

Cris: yeah, his own house, yeah. On the way to his

Pete: is a really nice house as well and a lot of a lot of damage to people's property in this film. A lot of nice cars getting fucked up. A lot of really nice, like, you know, the hotel rooms. I kept thinking some of these bills

Sidey: repeats through the films it gets really Like, there's a whole thing in the start of John Wick 2 with Peter Stormar, where the whole sequence is just him getting battered by car, his car and taxis and stuff.

Yeah, it's really,

really good. Super, super

Pete: stylized.

It is, it's like, it's, all like fast paced, the dialogue's snappy, like all of the interactions are, you know, some of them are, it could have gone the wrong side and into a bit like, kind of like cheesy and kind of like, because you know, there's moments of levity in the film.

Like there's little bits and little nuggets where you kind of like you find yourself with a little wry smile on it. They pitch it really

Dan: Well, and he's just perfect. Isn't he? Keanu? He's got that kind of larger than life or

Sidey: Well, I think it's this stoicism that actually

Pete: There's a lot of Matrix vibes in this, like In terms of like the character, like when he's gone,

Dan: the And, and point break at some points as well when he just goes down and he gets up and, you know, it's just, it's Keanu.

You know, he, he, he's just such a

Pete: Yeah, I mean, I've never other than the Matrix, I've never seen him in this kind of role where he's just like a fucking proper badass. And obviously the Matrix is a standalone,

Dan: but Constantine, didn't he?

Pete: his body of work or whatever. But yeah, like I really enjoyed.

Sidey: by a fella called Chad Stilinski Stileski.

Sorry, Chad Stileski who was Keanu's stunt double in the Matrix movies.

Pete: movies. So he knows

he

Sidey: how to

do action. This was his directorial debut.

Pete: directorial debut.

Sidey: So it

it was

difficult to green light because they're like, well we're

not

Pete: going to

back a novice.

Dan: stunt

Sidey: timer and it's like You know, I, I know, but maybe, maybe Keanu had a hand in getting it done. And probably like this guy from cause all the stuff you read about Keanu is, what a fucking guy. he is, Like, stand up guy. Or, you know, charity stuff They died all in A lot of the money Made on the matrix went away to charity.

Dan: doesn't seem to be looking for the publicity for that

Sidey: he doesn't give a fuck. Like, really? Doesn't give a fuck. And so maybe he, he had a real hand in getting this off the ground

and help this guy out.

because he's directed all the John MIT films I think the action in, it's fucking brilliant.

He is a

stunt guy, so he knows how it should look, you know, on the, on the screen.

Pete: I, mean.

The plot effectively results itself in the way that you assume it was always going to, which is that he fucking kills absolutely everybody. The bit where, you know, him, and I can't remember the Mafia boss's name. Vigors, Vigo, yeah, yeah. so.

right at the end, like, Vigo and him having, like, hand to hand combat. I mean, this guy is not fucking, he's got a million henchmen still his dirty work And

the fact that they even have, like, surely, to God, like, you know,

Cris: wouldn't be a match. The, the problem

Pete: dispatch him in a heartbeat, right?

Cris: is he's been so beat up

Sidey: that he

Cris: he actually has a

Sidey: I

Cris: levels it

Pete: I also didn't get the bit, where he like lets him, the only reason I think he lets him stab him is so that then he's got the knife in him so he can get the knife. Which I, I guess is the case.

That, it didn't take me out of it or spoil it or whatever. What I would say is like the fucking shitty scene where he goes and gets a dog. At the, Out the kennel.

Dan: Well, he goes to it. He goes to a vet, didn't he? Because he needs some injections and some bandages and things and suddenly there's a dog. But it's a great cover, isn't

Pete: going Like some twat has just gone like, oh, you know what people really like in 2018? 17, 14, or whatever, People really like dogs now. Dogs are really cool. Let's make like the dog a fucking, oh

Dan: No, you're wrong, Pete. That's an assassin's cover. He's walking the dog in the night instead of strolling along.

Fucked. He's suddenly walking a dog. Do you know how many people are

Pete: walking dogs that aren't assassins?

More than are

Dan: none. Peter out there none.

Pete: It's like that bit

Dan: they're not walking dogs beware.

Pete: Like

Sidey: I don't think. I don't think, it ruined it for you though,

Pete: it? Didn't ruin it for me.

No. I was, I was fully, fully on board with this. I really, really

Sidey: Will you watch the rest of the

franchise?

I,

Pete: I'll tell you who else really liked it was my missus. Like to the point where I actually put it on. When I shouldn't have put it on and fell asleep after 10 minutes not because the film was bad I was just fucking goose and my missus watched the whole film and the next day she's going it's really fucking good You need to watch it.

So I did watch it.

signing up for two at some point Hearing stuff about

Cris: I think the second is the best one.

Sidey: Oh, Really? I think three is the

best. No. I like Parabellum.

It's got, it's got more dog content in

it.

Cris: No.

Pete: dog I can do without the dog.

gimmick

Cris: third one is GoHalliBerry. You

Pete: doesn't need

Cris: third one is GoHalliBerry. But the second one, I think, as, as a, as, as a discovery of the actual worlds and how, where he stands, where he

Dan: Continental and

Cris: it works, where the continental is, his relationship with Winston.

Sidey: They build on all of that. Yeah. You get more

Cris: the Camorra, the, the, everyone who sits at the table.

Pete: love joy,

right?

Yeah,

Dan: and the, the Continental has its own spinoff, I think

Cris: Yeah, I

Sidey: does has a three part. it

has

Cris: It's a three part. When Winston is very young and how he becomes the manager of the

Pete: Continental.

after the antique

Sidey: there's comic books. it's a three

Cris: part series of an hour and 15 minutes episodes. And sorry, Dan, I

Sidey: mean to force you to do that. So, yeah, they've done, They've done a whole lot of world building, there's comic books, there's all sorts of other stuff as

well. I'll

Pete: comic books, they've also done

Sidey: also, there's

Pete: well. It's still

Sidey: movie, The Ballerina, which

is Anna de Armas. Oh,

Cris: Oh, yes, I've

Pete: Yeah.

Sidey: universe. Same universe? spin off it's her as a hit man, hit person. Yeah. I, I think this is tremendous.

Pete: I really, really enjoyed it and I'll definitely watch the second one.

The more they do the dog

Sidey: The dog

thing is incidental, and in the third one, it's not part of the plot, it's just that some, Halle Berry has

dogs. There

Cris: are some dogs, yeah. Also, have you seen the intense training he's done, like tactical training?

Have you seen how he trained for this

Dan: No, I'm, I'm giving, I'm giving Chris the, the be quicker sign here, but no, go on, I mean, I don't know how he

Cris: beat. He trained a lot.

Dan: Oh come on Chris, you can't just leave me hanging there.

Cris: no. He trained a lot.

Dan: He didn't. Bullshit he

Sidey: Do you want to know how many

kills he

has? Yes, Because I've got the

stat for

Cris: have you, have you got a number? Come on.

Sidey: I need you.

I'm I'm

talking

Cris: 117. Holy

Sidey: shit. He does. 77 kills in

Dan: in this one. Yeah, because you looked

Sidey: How? Yeah. 'cause you looked up. How

Dan: look up.

Pete: only because I went 78 and you knew it might be less, so you've gone one

Sidey: How many do

Dan: kills do you think

Sidey: he has? in, How many do you think he has in, in the whole franchise?

Dan: the whole franchise? Four hundred and Six hundred and sixty six.

Sidey: Really? that's a

lot.

Cris: No,

this, it might be about 400.

420.

Sidey: Ooh,

439. He has 77

in the first one, 128 in the second one, I don't know if these are spoilers. 194 in

the third one, and 140 in the fourth

one.

Pete: Wow. So

it goes out

Cris: The fourth

Pete: out on a

Sidey: most of those are on the staircase

Cris: looks like it's a lot more.

Sidey: It's on the staircase bit. yeah,

Do

Pete: we know how that stacks up against other franchises,

Rambo,

Cris: one, no one, no one touches him.

No one. Ever. Ever. No one touches

Pete: in hot shots part there. They they literally have the counter on the screen.

Sidey: know What Clive Owen

Dan: one that Clive Owen killed people with a carrot and all sorts?

Sidey: sorts. There

Dan: a ton of kills in that, wasn't

Sidey: kills

Pete: we digress.

Sidey: there? We don't rest. it

Pete: Really like

1. Super

slick, fucking Keanu Reeves, It was I was already a big fan, he's gone up even more in my

Dan: estimation.

If you haven't seen it, see it, if you've seen it, see it again.

Pete: Strong,

recommend

Sidey: Dungeons and Dragons. Yeah Season one, Episode one.

Pete: Season one, Episode one. So there's, there's a, there's a load I mean, I dunno if Dan's gonna gimme enough time to to talk about this or not. How long have I got, that th

Sidey: have I got, Dan? Stickler

Dan: yeah, I'm keeping a,

Pete: Yeah, the

Olympics are on, but it's only the fencing and shit Anyway so Dungeons and Dragons, it didn't actually

Sidey: It has no theme tune.

Pete: you're

right, it has no thing. Show me. it has an out. Do you remember the outro music now, or sort of watching it now, There's outro music?

Sidey: It, weirdly, it did have an intro in France and in Spain. Oh. Can

Pete: can we play that here?

Dan: about, about here?

Sidey: did have a lot of exposition. as an intro.

Pete: there's, there's a few things that we need to pick up on really quickly here. As quick as I can dan, sorry, I know you're looking at me there, number one, There is absolutely nothing really particularly revengey in this In the entirety of it albeit the main baddie is called venger

Sidey: It could have been.

Pete: is nearly an anagram of revenge.

One more E and you've got an anagram of revenge.

Secondly I've never seen a series like this where literally I had to look for three or four Versions of season one episode one where basically they have some irritating kid go, Oh dungeons and dragons ride or whatever and they go on it and it's like the thing that you saw every week but you assume that there was a pilot.

There was an episode that gave you backstory Gives you absolutely nothing. No

Sidey: Straight in.

Pete: literally the introduction of, And they're all talking as if things have already

Dan: been done. But isn't it in the intro kind of no, the the theme ride, they go on the ride. I've seen, no, I've seen the opening episode.

Sidey: Well, that's what we watch. That's what we watch for this.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This

Pete: was it. But they don't give you, you literally don't,

Dan: they're in a theme park. They go on the dungeon

Pete: but that's it, but that's, that's the beginning of every episode. And they literally just get on a, get on a ride. It doesn't explain why it happens.

It doesn't explain.

Sidey: Has

it happened to every kid who's ever

been on this ride?

Pete: there's no context or backstory whatsoever. Literally just what happens in the intro every week. is Right at the

Dan: beginning it might have been a bit like coherence. There might have been some kind of comment

Sidey: Might have been, but we are not, we don't know about

Pete: but anyway.

we're So in some ways that's kind of merciful because you're straight into just like the action and shit and all the kids have got different powers that Dungeon Master has given them items. that

Sidey: short person at school was.

called Dungeon

Pete: Well, most specifically, our the sports teacher, Mr. Ferguson, was called Dungeon Master.

And so just to get So

basically so Right, well, society and I went to a school that was

like

Cris: there was loads of pedos. It was

Pete: kids getting raped by the teachers all the time, right? He never, as far as I know, either, like, touched or raped anybody. But he was obsessed with seeing your dick. Like absolutely would not if

Sidey: you had to shower, I think was, Yeah, I think it was more about hygiene than dick,

Pete: right? But he but you couldn't shower with your pants on I mean not

Sidey: why would you,

Pete: I didn't need to anyway. But anyway, no there was but there were kids some kids were going because obviously they've got maggots They're going in the showers with their pants on and he's like no get your pants off, get your like He's like forcing boys to take their pants off and then like having a look in the showers as well

So.

So

yeah, this, let's not talk about the episode itself, cause

Sidey: Well, they throw a lot at you in this episode. they

Pete: yeah. And all the episodes are 24 minutes, that's kind of longer than I

Sidey: So, main, main recurring characters, you got Venger, who's the main villain. Yeah. He's scared of the Hydra.

Pete: The five headed dragon,

Sidey: Hell Hydra. Which we see in this one they trap it in a trap door

and it's

a very Woke and racially diverse and inclusive group that they

Pete: very much. So,

Sidey: Which is preceding, you know It's prescient to

how we are now.

Pete: the the irritating one the kind of cava eric the cavalier or whatever He's like the the preppy

Sidey: they've all got one

special weapon or ability the ranger has a fiery bow the irritating little child has the, the strong club thing The cavalier dude has

the shield.

The

girl has the invisible cloak. The black girl has the staff.

Is there is Uni this fucking irritating

Pete: irritating? Have any

Sidey: Yeah. Was there any other characters being missed?

Pete: Dukes of Dragon so

Sidey: I played Duns and Dragons a

lot when I was The sort of age that you might be to watch this, and I hated this program.

Hated

Pete: it.

Sidey: It wasn't

representative

Pete: the game.

Sidey: the, of the game at all. I was gonna say is or, no, I Yeah, so the poster art for the show looks a little bit like What we would have as the players handbook. It was so nerdy, right?

Pete: Yeah

Sidey: And you'd have that and then you'd have to have someone run the game So what you would do is you would go to the shop you would buy

Pete: You would go to the shop. I'm not going to the shop for dungeons

Sidey: would be There

would be a shop over here. It was called the little shop and you would go there and you would buy

a it

was called a fucking campaign And it would be basically story and the dungeon master would be the one who would know the story And I walk you through it and so you would say, well, we'll fucking walk Down that corridor and somebody would have the story and know what would happen

And he, so the Dungeon

Master would be the one who

would lead you

through the campaign.

And that's why the

character,

so there's sort of Broadly similar in terms of what you get on the screen, but it's really fucking shit sanitized and boring version of what we used to play.

Pete: of what we've seen. And I think it started in

Sidey: Yes, it did

Pete: So yeah, I'd have been five when it kicked off.

So

Dan: so it was cool Then

Pete: it probably was cool.

Sidey: I enjoyed it much more watching it.

for

Pete: more this time, right? I mean I stuck with the episode but I found myself getting a little bit kind of

Dan: I must be I I enjoyed this It was one of my favorite as a kid and I like the characters. I like the stories.

It was

Sidey: I found

Dan: didn't play the game. So I didn't

Sidey: to be Super horny, watching at this time. I really liked the black girl. She was really hot.

Pete: was

Sidey: they they,

Dan: cultural representation

Sidey: the whole thing, the big question mark was did they ever get home? That was the whole

sort of guiding, I can also rely on you, they never did.

They never made, but they did, but they never officially made the end episode. but There was a story of it,

and it was made

Pete: read the script Of the episode.

Sidey: fan made

Pete: There is a fan

Sidey: there's a radio play version of it. Yeah.

Pete: so I know what happens at the end.

And this is spoiler rific Did you read it all? Okay. So

Sidey: What happens?

Pete: gonna fill you in. So there's a little bit of backstory to go into here. Venger

Shush, Shush you. Venger is only Dungeon Master's son.

Sidey: No. Yeah.

Dan: What?

Pete: Fucking blowing

your minds, haven't I? Yeah, don't want me to hurry it up.

now, do you Dan? I've just, blown your mind. Yeah, Venger is Dungeon Master's son. So it turns out that in this world, Venger had basically, it was a little bit like the the Kylo Ren story or whatever. Dungeon Master's a hero and he's like, gone down the wrong path and put his trust in like some sorcerer. But Who basically turned him evil The only way to save him

So

Dungeon Master controls the whole of this, light universe apart from what's happened to his son. The only way to save him was to get these, like, heroes. So he had to bring some fucking kids, I don't know why he picked them, like, from That a different universe into this thing. And furnish them with these items.

Which, the whole the reason why avengers fucking trying to get them the whole time, because that never really, like, I never really understood me. They're just pissing about trying to get home. he's, they're not doing anything to venture but The reason why he's off them is because if he gets he thinks if he gets all of these items together a little bit of like, deathly hallows type vibe or whatever Get them all together I can control

Dan: the rings

Pete: right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. anyway But basically what had to happen is the because every single episode Dungeon master helps them.

He gives them a riddle. He gives them a clue. He tells them oh, you know Vengeance is going to come but he'll be have a different face on or something like that The only way it could happen eventually it worked out is for them to solve one of these like perilous Challenges by themselves with no help when they do that.

They eventually which has happened, They get this they got this found this key Opened a box this big fucking thing of light came out and it hits Venger, and they think that they've destroyed Venger. but Venger turns into like he like loses the fangs and the one horn and the wings and everything and turns into like this normal boy Dungeon Master turns up and he's like, my son,

Dan: Shit, I think I've seen this.

Pete: you might well I don't think you can have because it never got made.

Dan: I think I have

Pete: Well, Maybe it was in the fan version or something.

And then what Dungeon Master does, is open

Which would have been incredible,

Dungeon Master opens up a portal, and they all look through and they can see the theme park that they were at, and they can literally go back to the point in time where they left, so all these years and everything like that, and fucking it ended there.

That's when it ended. It left it ambiguous. They were basically, he basically says, you can go home, or you can stay here and help fight the other evils that are in this universe.

Sidey: I've gone. See you later. It's

Pete: I'd have been like, yeah, fucking, I've been hanging out. Just getting away from uni would have been enough to like put me back in.

In the

real world.

Yeah,

Cris: but you got a sword or a

Sidey: shields.

Pete: Yeah. But like, yeah,

Sidey: they had candy floss and stuff back at the

Fun fare, so I'd been all over

Pete: Cotton candy. So that's what happened in the end, although it never got, made. As I said Eric, the Cavalier voiced by Don Most, who was Ralph Mouth from Happy Days.

Have I, have I blown your mind there?

I

Sidey: No. He was, I think he was the main reason that I hated

Pete: Yeah.

Sidey: He was so

Pete: jerk off. I'm gonna give you another truth nugget here.

Sidey: on.

Pete: The voice of dungeon master. peter cullen.

Sidey: optimus prime Yeah, I knew that? yeah. When you said his name I knew

Pete: Oh, right,

Dan: Robert sanders guys,

Sidey: they're quite different characters

statue wise. Yeah.

Pete: Yep.

Dan: Well, this has always been a strong recommend. I am sure i've seen that episode.

Pete: There was a

Dan: sure they've made

Pete: but that would have been a long, that would have been long after.

Sidey: Oh yeah.

Was

there any particular reason why they never made the final episode? Did

it get cancelled or

Pete: got cancelled? yeah. It got cancelled, before they even got to production.

That

Sidey: on, finish it

Dan: production.

That seems lazy, doesn't it? You know,

Pete: it had, I remember, This had a decent following. I mean, three of us around here.

Sidey: But There was also a strong anti dunson and dragons started by thing because of the occult. Yeah. Because of the occult and people were scared

Pete: Yeah.

Sidey: Cul Yeah. The yogurt drink. Yeah. Really hate it. 'cause of that ? No,

there was,

there was a genuine, they did it in Stranger Things, but they how they, you know, they were

playing in a Dungeon Dragons club and there was a real anti dungeon dragons vibe.

Right. With conservative

Dan: with, with the, with the you

Sidey: about the,

Dan: with the Rolling Dice One, but not on the cartoon.

No.

Sidey: Poss

I'm just, I'm putting that out as a hypothesis. Connect. Yeah. Yeah. connected.

Strong recommend though. Very

very

Pete: Chris, Did you watch it, Chris? No. You didn't miss

Sidey: Oh. A mediocre

Dan: from Dungeon

Cris: No, it worked, I worked, I didn't have time.

Sidey: Okay.

Okay.

Pete: Well,

can you stop going on about it now,

Sidey: about it

Pete: much time with it.

Sidey: taking too Dan. Yeah.

If, if you could keep it brief.

Dan: Okay. Well, we're gonna watch movie 43. You

Sidey: Do we have to watch movie 1 through

42 first? Oh my

Dan: 1 242 first. Why are you nominating it

Cris: Yeah, it's funny. I've watched it before,

Sidey: Are you nominating it Because it's

something you

don't have to watch again for this week?

Dan: No.

Sidey: get into it, we'll get into

Pete: Oh, there are, that? he's got a look of they're onto me.

Dan: And then I'm going to suggest another film.

Okay. And some other stuff.

Sidey: be good. Pete, are you around next week? Don't know. Okay,

cool. All that remains is to say Sidey's signing out.

Cris: La revedere.

Pete: I'm out.

Dan: Dan's gone.