How To Blow Up A Pipeline & The Wombles

How To Blow Up a Pipeline

Reegs: Welcome to Bad Dad's Film Review, and as anyone who isn't a slack jawed moron knows by now, mankind has perpetrated significant and seemingly irreversible damage to our planet through intensive industrial agriculture, overpopulation, overfishing, deforestation, pollution, and the burning of fossil fuels which has triggered climate change and destroyed ecosystems, and is probably responsible for the bastard mosquito who tortured me as I tried to sleep last night.

And let's face it, whilst we could do something about it right now, albeit by taking painful, expensive, and potentially arduous collective measures that could safeguard our existence and our children's existence against a bleak future, we almost certainly won't because, well, fuck them, am I right? And also, we probably should do something about it though, shouldn't we?

That's right, nothing dates a podcast more than the subject matter being topical, so inspired by recent announcements of a major U turn in the UK government's net zero goals, we commissioned four private jets to fly us to the man cave tonight, which is of course powered by burning orangutans, so that we can bring you our thoughts on the environment, starting with a discussion of the top five eco warriors slash activists before we move on to the gripping action drama.

How to blow up a pipeline, and then we finish things off with a quick nostalgic stroll as we go cottaging across Wimbledon Common with the Wombles. All that's left to do is introduce the dad, starting of course this week, as we often do with Sidey, who found a little local celebrity this week for his appearance at the International Imagination Games. You came in at fourth place, didn't you, just outside the medals. If I recall correctly, you imagined a chicken nugget but suffering from existential dread.

I know it's been an exhausting week, Syed, but would you mind showing us your skills tonight, please? And brilliant! It's amazing, isn't it? Outstanding.

Dan: and every time.

Reegs: We also have Dan, who watched his very first movie on a tablet. Uh, The stone one that was handed to him by Moses. And uh, there's Chris. A man so incredibly dashing, even his shadow gets fan mail.

And finally, there's me, Reeves. Hello.

Cris: hello.

Sidey: How's your week been? Good?

Reegs: Yeah, it's alright. It's my little one's birthday tomorrow, so getting geared up for that.

Sidey: Excitement levels?

Reegs: Off the charts, yeah, we've been counting down for the last few days,

Sidey: Oh, nice.

Reegs: yeah.

Dan: yeah, we have nephews, unfortunately.

Reegs: Yeah, loads, unfortunately. Yeah, grannies and nephews, and it's also our wedding anniversary, but, you know, that drums all of those things, so.

Okay. When it's your seventh birthday, it drums

Sidey: Yeah. that's big. We're counting down to Christmas already. Yeah,

Dan: it's three months,

Sidey: Christmas list done. I opened the cupboard the other day, there's fucking mince pies in the fucking cupboard.

Cris: Are they gonna last? What, are they not

Sidey: Well, no, they'll get

Reegs: He is gonna, they'll get eaten. Yeah,

Cris: Oh,

Sidey: One pack's gone, but restocked. I must point out that it's the grandmother who does that. It's way too early for me to be

Dan: yeah. Three months is, is I, I wait till like December

Sidey: I'm trying to point out that...

Reegs: is it, September? What is it? September the 25th, isn't it? So, Yeah.

Dan: yeah,

Sidey: yeah. So yeah, I have been like at pains to point out that we've still got my birthday to go before, so don't, don't ignore that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So,

Dan: take one step at a time here for sure. Have you been watching anything this week? That's worthy.

Sidey: No. No.

Dan: No, I've started Fortitude based on a recommendation from a friend and yeah and it is kind of in this theme.

I guess how it starts because there's uh well. I think it's going that way anyway. Have you heard about this this fortitude this this series and so they've they found this like mammoth this the remains and as it's thawing out It's becoming more more potent maybe in diseases and things, you know, they they talk about bodies under the ice there in in there in I think in near It's freezing cold places like in the north in the ice and as it's, you know, they're saying they still got the plague there in some of the bodies.

So if they dig them up and everything, they don't eat them. Yeah. No, but they've, they've still got all this to come. So as it thaws out, problems come

Reegs: Alright,

Sidey: Right, okay.

Dan: seems, yeah, it seems interesting, but there's loads going on. Yeah.

Cris: I've watched the first, I finished the first episode, first season of Top Boy, because I've never watched it before, so, now that they're all three series, three, what do you call them?

Seasons. Yeah, yeah. Three seasons are out, I've finished the first one, and it's good. It's good. Obviously the language is brav, bro, fam, blood, all that, it's kind of pointless, all this use of language, but, it's really good. I did enjoy it.

Dan: And it three seasons, it sort of finishes,

Sidey: done, it's done and

Cris: Yes, yeah, it's done already. The last season is out now. And I'm not there yet. And I was actually quite happy and happy with myself. I've watched this. I think it's kind of like a documentary. It's called Nothing lasts forever. On Netflix, and it's about the synthetic diamonds and it's both synthetic diamonds and actual diamonds and how they actually not separated by even a molecule.

So you can replicate in chemical terms a diamond. It can be made artificially and it's synthetic diamonds. And there's a Jewish guy and a few of the people in New York where that's famous

Reegs: yeah. the diamond. exchange there.

Cris: they have that. And there's this guy that Kind of tries to raise his point about why you should want the real ones that people have slaved in a mine for.

But actually, it just makes him look a bit like a dick because they control the market. And there's these other people that say that you can create up to, I think, 600 in a day or something like that in these factories. And the guy is like, listen, just because that guy, you know, they control the market.

You know how many diamonds are in reserves. of these people's safes and, and all that, they control the market and they control the prices. So you're basically overpaying for any diamond that's ever been invented. They just keep it like that. So it's expensive. They make money. And it's a really cool thing.

I mean, I would never buy a diamond ring or a diamond. First of all, I couldn't afford it. Secondly, I think it's pointless. But, it's quite cool to see how this industry is actually controlled by the

Sidey: the people.

Cris: I know, yeah.

Dan: know

Cris: Yeah, well, one of them, eh?

Sidey: Oh, it's

Reegs: and

Cris: Oh, it's good. I really liked it.

Reegs: of

Cris: the most recent season? All of them. I haven't...

Sidey: I watched the first episode. I don't know if it's going to be as good as the others, but I really enjoyed all the other series. Although, no, actually, no, the last series fucking annoyed me, actually. But anyway, that's just me.

Reegs: but anyway, that's sex education.

Sidey: you go, that's sex education. Yeah we did a Top 5 last week, which caused a lot of aggro just between us.

Reegs: Peter was very concerned

Sidey: very concerned about... Pete and his wrong opinions.

Reegs: Yeah. So we, but we did put it, Peter was very concerned about the dinosaur and Megalodons. He was, you know, he was putting

Dan: Oh, that's right.

Godzilla in

Reegs: it was a bit like the beginning of some like psycho, like Sherlock Holmes where he had pictures up on the wall and connected threads and stuff. Yeah. And he was trying to prove that megalodons weren't dinosaurs and Godzilla was.

So we put it to a vote and the vote was unequivocally No, they're not dinosaurs, and also there was quite a few votes for shut up Peter as well. So, that's the end of

Dan: Yeah, I didn't even really think he ever had an argument It was a bit strange. He'd want to put that out. But

Sidey: I think, like, I can accept the Megalodon one, because that's based on fact. I'm not having an argument about Godzilla because it's fictional, so you can't say it's a dinosaur when it's

Reegs: the poll, the, I mean, it's democracy in action.

Sidey: Anyway, we had other ones, and Joe Bevis weighted in with his incorrect opinion, and he nominated Clint Eastwood, so he's barred.

And then Harry I

Cris: the man Citis would, yeah,

Sidey: No, no, the dinosaur Clint Eastwood. Jesus Christ,

Cris: Christ. Grow up Joe.

Sidey: know, and Harry

Reegs: fan of Gran Torino, though, I think he said, so he's, what a contradiction he is. I

Sidey: know, yeah. Harry Brown It's a puddle. Harry Brown was talking about The Land Before Time. but that's, that's, I mean you'd think like dinosaurs would have captured people's imaginations a little bit more but I think that's all we had.

Reegs: Yeah. Yeah. Well, come join us on, we're a bit more active on the Discord thing now, because Twitter is, you know, such a horrible place, but

Sidey: where, that's where you can catch us and you just go on there and search for

Reegs: on there now, and we've got bots and things, so,

Dan: what's our discord handle because I you know, i'm struggling with all

Reegs: Film Review, I think.

Sidey: It has a, it has an actual one.

Reegs: Well, people found us. I mean, we can't be...

Sidey: Well, it's because I put it on Twitter. But... Yes, it is. If you... If you just went on to Discord and did actually search for Bad Dads Film Review, lo and behold, you will find us.

And we're there.

Dan: I just think, why doesn't everybody just continue to call it Twitter,

Sidey: Twitter? I do. I...

Reegs: Pretty much everybody does.

Sidey: automatically renamed itself in my phone, and so I...

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Very, like, childishly changed it back to Twitter

Dan: Yeah,

Sidey: for no one's benefit

Reegs: But every time they do an app update, that'll probably be undone, I would think.

Sidey: Yeah, but I might just delete it soon because it's such a fucking hideous cesspit.

Anyway, anyway that's, that's that. We did the top five and then we put it to bed.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: Top five eco ultimate warriors.

Reegs: Yes.

Sidey: Riggs, do you wanna...

Dan: Do you wanna kick us off with

Sidey: going to Rishi Sunak

Dan: meant by this

Reegs: I am going to go with one that I think a few of our listeners have also nominated on the discord server, a little another plug for it there, which is Steven Seagal's on deadly ground. And he, this was like a real motif for him and his career. He went back and back again to environmental issues before he became like a complete and utter lunatic like he is now.

I guess he was.

Cris: No, he's not. He's just a master of everything.

Reegs: Yes, exactly. And this was another movie that made him look like a master of everything, even though when you looked at him, you thought he looks kind of overweight and slow and like those guys

Dan: just what he wants you to think.

Reegs: yeah, he's Forrest Taft in this season X, I think, you know, black ops operative who works for an oil company.

But also has taken it upon himself to represent native American. And so he fights for their dignity and the villain is Michael Caine. Have you seen this one?

Sidey: No.

Reegs: No. Oh

Dan: done some howlers. I've

Cris: and Stephen Seagal in the same movie.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: His best role since Jaws five

Reegs: It's a good, this is right up there, I think.

And you like movies with an environmental message. You would, have

Dan: like...

Reegs: this one? You'd like this

Dan: This is like,

Reegs: This is like, he was at the height of his stardom and he sort of cashed in his Hollywood chips to make this sort of passionate, weird, environmental, Inuit oil thing with Billy Bob Thornton and Ali Emi as well in it.

You know, the drill instructor guy.

Sidey: sounds excellent.

Reegs: yeah.

Dan: This environmental twist, but with Seagal, everything's just a bit OTT and mega

Reegs: Yeah, because mostly he's taught, he's defending the culture and the environmental issues around that by throwing guys through windows and that sort of stuff, so. And blowing things up.

Dan: But, yeah, okay

Reegs: Yeah, on deadly ground. Side?

Sidey: I've got one. It might be a first. It's Daniel Craven has made, made a film once called Durrell's, Durrell's Underhogs. Yeah. So, a very clear environmental message working for Durrell, a Jersey organization that's in that you might have seen in the news recently.

Reegs: also

Sidey: But also does things out in the In the wild all around the world and Dan made a film called Daryl's Underhogs and you can see that on Twitter no, you can see that on YouTube.

Cris: you probably can see it on Twitter because it allows you to upload full

Sidey: someone might have done

Cris: So it might, it might be there.

Sidey: But without wanting to blow smoke up Dan's ass, it's very good. I don't know if you guys

Cris: I have watched it. I've been to the, to the screening or whatever it's called. The canapes and all sorts. So it was really nice.

Sidey: nice.

Dan: I actually when we went to to new york and did a

Sidey: we

Dan: Burning all these fossil fuels to a film festival with that, and there was another film. That won all the awards and everything and I'm just

Reegs: a, better one.

Dan: a much better one a really really good one And it was similar to your diamond story where they're making synthetic diamonds and they were making synthetic

Sidey: People?

Dan: No like animal fur You know, so because these various tribes would be killing panthers and, and

Sidey: and they're running out of them.

Dan: and they're running out of them and cheating, you know, so they were, so they would, they would make this but high quality.

They wanted to make it so good. That, you know, they wouldn't get the piss taken out of them. Because, basically, if you turned up in some fake one, it was like everybody would just be like, Look at that guy's threads, like, you know, it's not even a real one. So they had to change the culture of doing it, and and how they introduced this, so they were making it and it was a really great documentary on, on, on their,

Sidey: One of our mates has got a load of furs that when his mum passed away, they were just left and they are like proper She's danish. She was danish. And so I don't know. It's just different culturally back when they were She had them. It's like I don't know what to do with them I can't I don't want to throw them away because of my mum's but I can't No one can ever wear them and you can't give them, you know to chat really just like

Reegs: Yeah. well it's supposed to.

Dan: can't give them, you know, to chat with, it's

Sidey: Right? Yeah. You know,

Dan: Yeah, well it's nice to hear.

But I was going to mention Erin Brockovich as a, a kind of energy development operation taking the piss with the planet again and you know, pissing out a load of toxic chemicals into the water source and this is based on a, a true story.

Reegs: Yeah. It was a whole small town basically. And there was a load of irradiated or chromium tainted wastewater dumped into the, into the waters around this town and the effects that it has, she uncovers this, this paralegal. And it's a true story about a woman, you know. Fighting up through the organization, just powered by a Wonderbra to, to fight the crimes of

Dan: Yeah. And she, she wasn't a classically educated person. She was, she joined as like a legal secretary. She's, she's kind of got a story where she's, You know, I think a young mother, single mother and, you know, obviously trying to keep all the plates spinning as well as doing a way beyond her hours to get a better job and to get a better opportunity and she gets her teeth into this kind of cause that everybody else has given up and is prepared to, to just let Happen and she really gets her teeth into it.

It makes a huge difference. So, um, she

Reegs: on a trillion dollar company basically by herself at the beginning.

Dan: That's it. That's right. Until she gets that kind of traction. Enough for other people to start believing in it.

Sidey: Did Julia Roberts win the Oscar for this one? I

Dan: Don't know whether

Sidey: did. I'm imagining that.

Dan: may have won awards or been nominated.

Sidey: Steven Soderbergh joined as well, isn't it?

Yeah,

Dan: It's a, it was a fantastic film.

Reegs: And the Wonderbra thing though, I mean it's impossible not to think about that movie and the bra, wouldn't it?

Sidey: I've never seen it? don't like, because I don't

Dan: we'll have to,

Sidey: Julia Roberts, so

Dan: Oh, right. Well, she in, in this, she's, she's very likable, but she's you know, she's a, a no bullshit woman who, As I say, in a bullshit world. Yeah. So

Sidey: very good

Cris: Yeah, if you're looking at me, I have to say this the first time I don't have any just because honestly, I couldn't, if I've all, all week I've thought about, because normally what I do is I think, let's say if you put cigars or hats or meat or something in a topic in top five, I'll remember at least one or two movies that I've watched.

And then I might think, okay, let me think, let me see. I've honestly, I've done Google, Reddit, Twitter search for all this. There's a list of about a hundred movies that I have. I've not watched any of them, which Erin

Dan: be surprised that some of the films that we'll probably talk about

Cris: all that. I

Sidey: even went to the premiere

Reegs: got, I've got one for, I

Dan: themes and

Cris: I've had, I've had Dan, Dan's name, obviously on the list because I've seen the movie and I actually know him. And I have to say, because I've seen all these, like, kind of like spy, like James Bond and all these people that save the world. Do they count?

Sidey: Yes.

Reegs: what about, yeah, absolutely. What about Thanos?

Have you seen the Avengers movies? He was kind of an activist, wasn't he? Because he was like, oh,

Cris: is he,

Reegs: everything's

Sidey: was bringing balance. he

Reegs: He wanted to reduce the population by half to restore balance to the universe because of,

Sidey: there was, there wasn't enough resources. So it was

Cris: Oh, here's one actually. Because I read the book The, or the books, I don't know, the Dan Brown's books, they have been made into movies a few times and is that, is that an activist?

Reegs: Da Vinci code We did on this?

Cris: on this. Not the Da Vinci, the, I can't remember, one of them, the, the, whatever, the Inferno, whichever is the last one,

Sidey: Disco Inferno.

Cris: is that an activist, the Professor Langdon? Because there's a virus that's going to, he's going to put it in the water and he's, is that,

Sidey: guess so. Yeah.

Cris: an

Dan: you

Reegs: Yeah,

Dan: could fit that

Reegs: i'll take

Dan: in.

That's, that's saving the planet for us. He

Cris: stops the spoiler alert. He, they actually, the bag dissolves. So there is the virus in the water. It doesn't really save anyone, but

Sidey: Jesus.

Cris: yeah, I know. Is it Jesus also an

Sidey: You said it, man.

Reegs: Well, animal rights activists are responsible for starting the zombie plague and 28 days later,

Dan: Mm.

Sidey: monkeys?

Reegs: Well, they're sort of falsely blamed for

Sidey: That's right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Reegs: 12, the army of the 12 monkeys. That's really a sort of false flag or whatever. Those. Yeah. What else is there? Well, I was thinking about comics because we said Thanos before, but obviously you've got Batman and Robin had poison Ivy.

She's a sort of. Environmental, and that was Uma Thurman's

Sidey: character. yeah, yeah. She's hot in that one.

Reegs: Aquaman, there's a whole load of stuff in that about all the acidification and plastics in the ocean.

Sidey: there's loads of chat about the sequel about

Reegs: Not being

Sidey: good boy, A fucking car crash. It's gonna be, Yeah.

Reegs: but everybody just says that about everything now, so...

Sidey: this one's particularly brutal. But anyway. Well, No,

Reegs: It's alright.

Cris: No. It's alright. Really?

Reegs: I give a pass to a lot of movies.

Cris: I don't know. I have to say with all the superhero, I'm not a critic by any means, but with all the superhero ones, it just seems like there's

Sidey: just, I've reached saturation point.

I think

Cris: superhero after superhero. Well, they have them in space.

Now they made this guy underwater. It's just not the ones in space. At least you can believe them because no one's actually been to space. Whereas underwater,

Sidey: hang on,

Cris: we've all been underwater.

Reegs: Oh, I see. Well, you feel that we can't relate to being in space because we've never been there.

Cris: I see. Well, No, but you can, you can create anything to, to look like anything in space and these other worlds and all these other superheroes that come from different worlds

Reegs: But underwater is just, looks inherently stupid.

Cris: Well, no, it's, it's, it just doesn't look normal. I don't know. It just looks old.

Reegs: I thought they got the technology all right for Aquaman.

So I suppose it's whether you, yeah, that could be off putting if you don't like it, but...

Cris: Anyway, I don't know. It's just my opinion, but.

Dan: Yeah you ever see that disaster movie like it was yeah and Would that would that be included

Sidey: Who is the eco warrior in it?

Reegs: yeah.

Dan: Well, I mean

Sidey: They're all just survivalists, I would say.

Dan: Right. Okay. There's a there's your distinction

Sidey: Who doesn't love a good PowerPoint presentation? Al Gore certainly does enjoy one, and he done a tour. Much, very much like Talking Heads, if you stop making sense. This is a concert movie of his slideshow, The Inconvenient Truth.

And a

Dan: of

Reegs: and a movie, that sort of padded out with him looking, like, sad, in an airport, and

Sidey: the message was valid, I

Reegs: Yeah, it was a real cultural

Dan: movie.

Reegs: really, to be honest.

Sidey: W. I think, People on social media and stuff were starting to become really vocal about alternative facts. So he would, he would say, you know, these are the f ing polarized caps and this is the effect of global warming. And then you just get f ing like tons of people like with these fake counterpoints, you know, just shooting him down and you're like, oh, okay.

And it's just escalated and stuff, you know?

Reegs: Yeah. Well the culture war is strong around this stuff, isn't it? I mean, that's essentially why the UK government are doing what they're doing now, like a grift based on trying to drive a wedge between people and on an ideological basis.

So,

Dan: Think how long we've been talking about it like, you know, is that inconvenient truth?

When did that come outside? It must have been 2010

Sidey: Oh, caution, wind back to 2006. I was going to say 2006. It's 2000

Dan: 2000

Sidey: 2000? No, that's bollocks.

Reegs: It's 2006. I got it here. Yeah.

Dan: okay so yeah, it's still a good chunk of time away.

Sidey: I'm just trying to figure out who has got their earphones plugged into the yellow which doesn't have any output.

Dan: Oh, that's me.

Reegs: Amazing.

Dan: this why I can't hear anyone?

Reegs: Yeah, . How far into the episode are we with that happening? That's incredible.

Dan: Hi. Ah, hi.

Reegs: Dan, is that, is that better?

Cris: Fucking

Reegs: Thanks for joining us.

Sidey: Yeah,

Dan: I was, I was playing around with my sound earlier.

Reegs: A good chat.

Dan: I can hear you

Cris: Okay. I might have another one actually, and this is another one that's a question. I can't remember the guy's name, but the guy from Avatar.

Reegs: Yeah. Jake Sully. Yeah, I would say so. There's a kind

Dan: of, Pete would definitely

Cris: he just want to shag that blue woman?

Reegs: There's a sort of white saviour vibe going on there which, you know, veers strongly into this category. I think. So yeah, I would

Cris: Yeah, and what about the...

Reegs: a lot of, you know, and isn't

Sidey: think James Cameron potentially might be a bit eco y.

Cris: what about the planet of the apes?

Sidey: Planet of the Apes more like, am I right? Okay.

Reegs: which... Just

Cris: definitely. I don't know the, the save, the save the planet of the apes. Is that the last one where it's like futuristic and he goes to kind of like a prison type thing. And then they, the humans destroy the planet and then the apes try to save it. Or is that, or do I

Dan: I've not

Sidey: he made all that up.

Dan: the Planet of

Reegs: All of the new ones are quite good.

Cris: Yeah,

Sidey: the planet of the apes, I want to get off.

Reegs: yeah.

Cris: Yeah. Anyway, that's

Reegs: more about the perils of giving a bonobo monkey a machine gun, wasn't it?

Sidey: I think

Reegs: like, and letting it ride a horse

Sidey: horse. You

Cris: The Novo Monkey Machine of us. So, anyway, that's, yeah, that's it from me.

Reegs: Well, what else is there? Well, I was thinking about Tyler Durden. He's sort of like, he's politically motivated. He wants to bring down the economy to reset debt because he doesn't like the way,

Sidey: he's more just a flat out

Reegs: And he's an anarchist as well. But is that, that's, that's an activist. I think he's an activist. I, I did put the slash activist in there,

Dan: Well, okay, then.

i'll accept it. There will be building on from The the one that you talked about with al gore and that inconvenient truth you had before the flood Which was after that by Leo. DiCaprio was narrating it and he was in it a little bit and he went to various locations over three years to kind of record and document climate change and everything to shine a light on it as much as I

Reegs: I know. I can't help but smile at it every time, even though I don't want to point it out,

Sidey: it

Cris: jetting around the

Dan: it was good, you know,

Cris: under 25 year old

Dan: Interviewed the Pope on it, and Barack Obama, and you know, big kind of heavyweights. And that was, that was a decent film, a decent documentary. It was one of the, the better ones I'd seen.

Sidey: I also had well, a couple of animated ones, actually, one that we did on the pod, obviously, is Captain

Cris: Yes.

Sidey: which was trying to, you know, inform and

Cris: educate.

Sidey: Yes, and militarized children to take a stand against you know, ecological issues. But I also had a specific Simpsons episode which is Homer to the Max when he changes his name to Max Power.

He ends up chained to a tree,

Reegs: right, yeah.

Sidey: and causes a huge deforestation event. But the voices in it is Ed Begley jr. Yeah He's really smug about his environmental concerns and he he drives off in a car And then I was it's so the pad is that no, it's powered off my own sense of satisfaction.

It's one of the really great cameos. So yeah Simpsons

Dan: nice. Looking at the ones that i've got left on my My list here. There was Chinatown was

Sidey: Mm-hmm. I've got that.

Dan: yeah and Soylent Green not far off. I think both in the 70s, 75, 78, something like that.

And there were both murder mysteries based on, you know, Corporations and things and and what happens when people get too close into Exploring what they're doing is they're exploiting natural resources or whatever the fuck else they're doing But obviously Chinatown one I'd love to revisit again.

I've yeah well, I've seen it a couple of times and it's just such a you know, a noir kind of late night film that you can Really get into so,

Sidey: He's asked to investigate an affair. Yeah. And then uncovers this huge conspiracy about the water being diverted and this huge thing that goes way above what he was actually originally looking at. I don't want to say too much because I think I'm, I'm on

Dan: say too much because I, well, I think I'm Yeah, yeah. And it, but just when it goes, where are you going to go with, you know, who, who's going to find the answers is Chinatown. You know, it's just head down there and it's, it's cool.

Yeah.

Reegs: We did Okja for the pod, and that was about how a young girl named Maija did everything to prevent a multinational company from kidnapping and killing her best friend, which was this huge sort of pig thing called Okja, and it was about corporate responsibility and veganism and battery farming and all that

Dan: Animal cruelty population growth as well, you know, I mean, they were talking about feeding. What are we going to do to feed everybody as, as we get in?

So this was one of the, the solutions these corporations come up with,

Reegs: GM pigs sort of thing. Yeah.

Dan: And

Sidey: General Motors?

Reegs: yeah. Mm-hmm. And size the green inferno. Did anybody see that? No. That was an Eli Roth horror movie.

The guy who did all the hostile ones and all

Dan: That's why I never saw it, because

Reegs: This was about a bunch of student activists who go out to the Amazon rainforest to protect a sort of local, rural community and stop the exploitation of gas miners. But when they get there, their plane crashes on the way, and they're sort of taken captive by native Peruvians who do unspeakably horrible things to them.

So... No good deed goes unpunished, I guess, and first reformed as well that we watched on the pod with it was Paul Schrader's one and that had the guy who was going to blow himself up as a result of you know, yeah. A conversation that he has with an eco activist I really love that movie, that you guys didn't love it so much.

Dan: I it to remember it, to be honest.

Reegs: He

Sidey: it to be honest. Ethan Hawke.

Reegs: yeah, Ethan Hawke, he has a deep he's a minister, he has a deeply unsettling conversation with a guy who's

Dan: That one might be one I missed.

Reegs: Yeah, no, you were there,

Dan: Oh, right. It's just that

Reegs: still

Dan: I've got gorillas in the mist. Dian Fossey.

Sigourney Weaver. And it was the big Australian guy. Someone that played her lover kind of photographer guy in that.

Sidey: Mel Gibson.

Dan: No. He was the other barman in Cocktail.

Sidey: Tom Cruise.

Cris: that's

Dan: That's right. So Tom Cruise and Sigourney Weaver in Gorillas in the Mist. Gorillas in the Mist. Good movie that.

I like that one.

Reegs: Yeah. Fosse.

Dan: Yeah

Sidey: David Attenborough.

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: may have seen him on the television. He, I think he's quite into his environmental issues.

Reegs: Yeah. He keeps banging on about

Sidey: Makes some decent documentaries from time to time as

Dan: years old now,

Reegs: is he?

Sidey: he's very close. There'll be a huge fanfare

Reegs: man. That is gonna be, that's gonna be sadder than any of the like royals or anything like that, wouldn't it? When

Sidey: Yeah, because he's like less of a pedo and all that, isn't it? So, yeah,

Dan: Yeah. he's, he's

Sidey: don't we know about.

Dan: he's been fantastic, isn't he? Still, still going.

Sidey: Yeah.

And then I've got Princess Mononoke. Have you

Dan: Yeah, yeah, the Studio

Reegs: good. Yes. That's

Sidey: that's like the city against the encroaching in the nature and the demons fighting back and all that sort of stuff. I watched that. I was tempted to watch that with my daughter when she was about six and I think someone gets decapitated and it's animated.

You know, what's the worst that can happen? Someone gets an arrow decapitate someone in the first 5 minutes. It's like maybe not maybe not but that is excellent. I think that's my favorite. My joint. Yeah, it's really good.

Dan: Wall E. of course. Of course the garbage collecting robot.

Sidey: I just kind of feel like a rip off of Idiocracy now.

Dan: Yeah,

Reegs: Yeah.

Dan: they're all kind of on the same theme, aren't they? March of the

Sidey: the Penguins. Have you

Dan: you ever see that one? It's actually a really, really lovely kind of documentary film. And

Sidey: Morgan Freeman,

Dan: Morgan Freeman, he puts this narration and they kind of make a drama.

Sidey: you need a narrator, you just

Dan: a story of survival and all the rest of it in these

Reegs: the dudes look after the chicks,

Dan: Well, you've got these penguins that return to these ancestral breeding grounds, you know, each year and they're following the story of, you know, that them coming out the water onto the, the, the perils and threats to get them to these grounds, the actual amount of chicks that make it and kind of goes full circle again.

It was brilliant. It was a fantastic one. And then you've of course got Sharknado which is, About sharks, isn't

Reegs: Well, and the perils of

Dan: And severe

Reegs: a shout for something like this on our discord server

Dan: weather,

Reegs: Yeah

Dan: You know, if there is

Sidey: One other animated one that's very explicitly environmental is Dr. Zeus colon the Lorax.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. Like forests and things.

Sidey: Yeah, he's the embodiment of something. Yeah. Should we have a look at Discord?

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: Yeah,

Dan: Reece? That's where it's at.

Sidey: That's where

Reegs: I'd imagine. Yeah, probably.

Sidey: Darren Leafley, he's banging on about Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth, much like us. On Deadly Ground as well, of course. Women at War, brilliant and funny Icelandic slash Ukrainian film about women taking on an aluminium plant, or Aluminium,

Reegs: aluminum depending on which side.

Sidey: Yeah. Breachy Seagal, she's, she's loving Seagal as well. Duh, oh, great shout out by Breach as well for Geo Storm. Which I don't know if there's any actual, he's a kind of in the film, he's

Reegs: climate

Sidey: he's a scientist. He's a scientistic kind of person who's banging the drum about.

Yeah. This is all going to happen. Yeah. So, that's definitely Breach is loving Sharknado as well. Leafy comes back in with Wally which we've covered off as well. So, that's that's good, isn't it? It's nice to see that it's

Reegs: as opposed to another

Cris: I have to say, sorry to interrupt. In my defense, all the movies that you just said, I've not seen any of them.

Reegs: Really? That's

Sidey: this whole podcast is about, so that's fine.

Cris: So...

Dan: out a couple of them because they're a few bangers in there chris

Cris: Although I have to say, I didn't expect it to be... I know documentaries are movies, and cartoons are movies, but... I just didn't expect that one, that was a bit... I probably should have done the research for, like, cartoons, or...

I mean, I've seen Captain Planet, so I knew about that one, but... Out of all the... I haven't seen Wall E, I haven't seen Sharknado, I haven't seen any of

Dan: Oh, you should start with Chardonnay, do

Sidey: And Incontinent Truth as well, pretty good. Nice,

Cris: Nice, okay,

Sidey: Right, Riggs, what are you going to put in

Reegs: I am gonna put in on Deadly Ground,

Sidey: Steven Seagal.

Reegs: the Steven Segal Action Classic. I'm pretty sure we've never had a

Sidey: sure you've I also had My Octopus Teacher, which I know you've seen, I don't know if that's relevant. Right, okay, I'm going to put in... Ooh.

Cris: Is that the octopus is the activist or is there someone else in it?

Reegs: It's the guy who does it, I think he's suffering from depression, isn't he? When he goes and he sort of befriends this octopus

Cris: My girlfriend watched it and I kind of I kind of she says unbelievable she wouldn't eat octopus anymore, which is really annoying

Reegs: my favourite animal at the moment.

Cris: To eat? No. Oh.

Reegs: to

Sidey: That specific one as

Dan: as

Cris: That

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: I don't know. I'll put in, I'll put in Daniel Craven I suppose.

Cris: Yeah, go

Dan: well. I'll put in... Before the Flood.

Cris: I'll put in before the... I mean, the guy from Avatar? I don't know, is that...

Reegs: okay, I'll have that

Cris: Yeah, okay, I'll have that

Sidey: And then, phew, hmm, yeah, Seagal's already in, isn't he? Should we, should we wait a week, see if we get some more?

Reegs: Yeah,

Sidey: Yeah, okay, cool. Right, well, until next week, that's our top five.

Cris: yeah,

Dan: dun. We're going live. Meat. Balls. Beef. I can

Sidey: The Malm mix. The infamous Malm

Dan: becoming a firm favourite and regular. It's up there with the toast in its own way.

Sidey: It's value as well, it's about 2. 50 for that big bag of malt. Yeah,

Dan: And that keeps us all going really, doesn't

Cris: also very good for you.

Reegs: Yes.

Sidey: It's one of your five a day, probably all of your five a day.

Dan: Yeah, they've got orange, lemon,

Reegs: Yeah, exactly.

Sidey: Yeah, all the, all the

Reegs: the fruits are

Sidey: yeah. And that segues very nicely into this week's movie, which I could not remember the title of. Well, I could get the gist of the title, I just couldn't get it precisely right.

It was when I was trying to search for it. Yeah. I kept getting destroyed in there for some reason, I don't know why. Alright. But it's how to blow up a pipeline.

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: in a nutshell. Yeah,

Dan: Yeah, in a

Sidey: Yeah, I spent, we could get into the nitty gritty of it, but I spent a lot of the run time thinking will they actually blow it up, or will they get foiled, that was my main, crux of it

Reegs: We could get into the nitty gritty of it, the runtime

Dan: Tell me more about the inspiration for it, because it came from a book. Yeah,

Reegs: A non-fiction book by a Swede called Andreas Mam. And he basically argues over the book, which I haven't read, but it seems to be saying that pacifist protest basically hasn't worked in as far as getting the message across about environmentalism and measures and things that are taken, targets and are not met.

And, you know, we all know where this is going. And he argues that the only way to disrupt this is by a sort of responsible sabotaging of the infrastructure of

Sidey: And that's, that's the first... Anything

Dan: damaging the environment,

Sidey: Well that's the first thing we see in the film, isn't it?

It's, it's, oh, how do you pronounce her name? Well, her Sochi. Yeah, Sochi, where the Winter Olympics was. She's walking down the street. The score was really fucking good as well. And she's like hooded up and whatever, and she just like slashes a few tyres and leaves a kind of manifesto, I guess, on the windshield of the car to say, And this is who we are.

This is what we've done. This is why we've done it. This is why we've sabotaging your property. Yeah. I think if you freeze framed it, you could actually read the whole thing. I didn't do that. But you could have done, Yeah.

Dan: can read the headlines there though. This is why I've sabotaged your property and then there's a load of smaller texts going into obviously their ideals and how they feel this is contributing to that.

Reegs: Pretty quickly it becomes clear that the movie is structured in a way that is sort of, you know, sort of two things happening.

A group of people coming together and meeting up. So a woman erases she records herself working then. Provides an alibi that she wasn't changes some metadata on some videos. So it looks like she's going to be somewhere else in two days. It's it's Christmas, but that's not particularly relevant. A guy says goodbye to his family, packs up his stuff, puts a gut, you know, goes away, it builds up and builds up as we're building towards what feels kind of.

And then also we're getting flashbacks that fill in the characters and their motivations because there are a lot of characters and you know, at crucial points during the story we'll flashback to see why people are here doing this thing that, you know, we know, it's no beating about, we know because the movie tells us they're going up to blow a pipeline.

Sidey: Yeah, and you're seeing these people and you know, it's Avengers Assemble. This is the gang getting. Going out. They, they just all go out into the desert

Dan: it is.

Sidey: to meet up and do Yeah. He's Texas.

Cris: no? It just kind of tells you south, or, I don't know, whatever,

Reegs: It's a

Sidey: cause we can do it's a refinery town. Yeah. And that is causing a lot of pollution. And also just environmental stuff. So the guy that says goodbye to his wife and kid, he's, their property's gonna be. Compulsorily purchased. Yes. To make way for a new pipeline.

There's a girl there who has got terminal

Reegs: Well, they're in California in Long Beach. She was affected by some toxic waste dumping, I think, and pollution in water. So she's, she's

Sidey: she wants to go out with a bang. Yes.

Reegs: And yeah, she wants to go out with a bang. Her best friend Sochi, her mother died of this, of heat something or other. Also,

Sidey: there's an indigenous family and the son is, he's the most, I'd say, like, hostile. Yes. He's the bomb maker.

Reegs: Yeah. Well, cause the movie flashes back at a crucial scene. He, you see his story. He's like overtly racist towards a white guy in his hometown, I guess was up in Alaska probably or somewhere like that. And it's the guy from the Revenant. It was the guy who played the

Dan: That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: And we see him like an amateur bomb maker filming himself on YouTube and using ammonium nitrate and eventually coming out with much bigger bombs. And then it flashes back to him assembling these triggers for the bomb that they're going to use to blow up the pipeline and it explodes. But

Sidey: Oh, I thought it was dead. I 100

Reegs: I did as well.

Yeah. and that's how

Sidey: It was just the primer that went off.

Dan: right.

Reegs: Yeah, and then he goes in and finishes the job amazingly. So yeah, we get her and you said the compulsory purchase, who else do we get? We've got,

Sidey: they're

Reegs: they're sort of Bonnie and Clyde type eco activists.

Cris: Yeah. the two blonde ones? No, the, yeah, they're both, Yeah.

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: And he's an actor I really like, of Lucas Gage. I think his name is. He was in u getting his ASRS licked. And I know in the white Lotus, sorry, getting his ass licked. And he was also in you as well. And he was also that guy. I don't know whether you saw that infamous clip on Twitter where he's doing an audition and it's an English producer and the guy thinks he's off like muted his camera.

He's going, I can't believe the guy's got such a shitty apartment and

Sidey: these

Reegs: guys are such specimens. They're awful and all this. And he's like, Oh, I'm really sorry. You're on the

Sidey: camera. . What

Reegs: a bunch of assholes. But yeah, he was. Actor in that? Yeah, so they're these Bonnie and Clyde type. He's, I think a trust fund baby type thing.

There's some implication that he comes from wealth and has a lawyer and that sort of

Dan: that he comes from wealth and has a lawyer and that sort of

Reegs: Alicia. Are you talking about? She's, she is in a relationship with Theo, the one who's dying from leukemia, and she's basically only there out of loyalty to her friend, and she's the one who.

Breaks her leg dramatically during the

Sidey: So, yeah.

Reegs: the, the

Dan: but who's the one after that?

That's the one I was thinking of. The very last one. Is it so she again?

Reegs: What, that happens at, right at the very end are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah, well, there's, yeah, the way it plays out after the heist. We, we, I guess we get there after we've done The

Sidey: So w well, while they, in the, in the desert, there's this abandoned sort of building that they meet at, and they're, some of them are just on watch, some of them are doing some other bits. The bombs are obviously being made.

And what, what's the name of the girl? Is it Alicia? Mm-hmm. The, the one who was doing drugs at the start?

Cris: Rowan, I think.

Reegs: Rowan, yeah.

Cris: That's the blonde one.

Reegs: The blonde girl, yeah, Rowan and Logan.

Sidey: We see her taking a few photos of things and you're like, what's up here? Yeah. And so her flashback is really key.

'cause they do the old double bluff with, with you on this one. They do. So you see her take a few photos. There's one. Two of the girls are rolling one of this. It's like an all canister kind of bomb is what they build and there's bits that feed into it and whatever. So they're rolling it towards the truck to get it and she takes a photo on her little flip phone thing.

I used to have one of those and sends it off and you're like, oh, there's a snake in the camp. And then her flashback. Initially, I thought, Maybe it was a flash forward because it's her with was it the feds?

Reegs: Yeah

Sidey: And she's been, you know, I thought, oh, this is this one. They've got her after the fact, but no, she had been involved in something previously.

Yes. And as a basically a plea deal or to get her out of jail time, she's been put in.

Reegs: Undercover.

Sidey: as an informant to get the debt and so we see her a couple of times sending messages on and getting information and you're like, oh, fuck, this is how it's all gonna like fall

Reegs: become undone, yeah. Also so they go out, I guess we can get to the heist, so, it involves blowing up a pipeline in two separate places they're gonna dig into the ground and blow it up at the top part of a hill, I think, and they're gonna blow it up an exposed piece of pipe so that the oil remains in the reservoir between the two places that they've...

Sidey: they won't do it until those two, the couple, have gone to the where the refinery part of it is and released a valve to stop the flow so that there won't be any extra coming through.

So they are. In Inver commas responsible. Yeah. Terror. And they have this conversation in the film of what, what, how people are gonna think. And they're like fucking terrorists

Reegs: going to call us terrorists.

Sidey: citizen and that's what we

Reegs: And then they compare themselves to revolutionaries, including the I guess those in the civil rights movements. Yeah so yeah, they're going to blow this thing up in two different places. And in one part involves strapping a barrel of this stuff.

It's quite tense. It very much reminded me of my, of thief that we watched where you get these long sequences of pipe, of bomb assembly and very tense with the score going. And there's a bit where they have to like ratchet one of the oil drums to the exposed pipe and it breaks that girl's Alicia's leg.

Sidey: yeah, because they're

Reegs: drives, she just walks it off a broken leg,

Sidey: They're being very... She drives

Cris: after

Dan: yeah, she needs to alibis

Sidey: As, as the plot progresses, you realize that it, they, they're quite savvy in terms of knowing exactly what they need to get rid of.

That's got DNA. We need to clean that. And so this accident causing a leg, like it's a compound fracture, right? And there's blood. So they're like, fuck that's DNA. So what else? So she's really annoyed that you didn't need this fucking drama in amongst all this shit that they're trying to do. So they get.

They're worried about that and that's the evidence that's going to be left lying around. But as we move further along, we realize the plan is actually a little bit more sophisticated than just blowing up to a, you know, a bit of pipe and doing a runner. They're more savvy than that.

Reegs: that. Yeah, and the, and the, the motivation itself is to cause a fluctuate, it will cause a major fluctuation in the stock price. I think of, of the, is that right? I get,

Sidey: Well, they, that's part of their sort of debate within the, the team is that Yes,

Cris: the hope at the beginning.

Sidey: Well, I think they, they, but who is this actually gonna hurt? So this is gonna hurt people who need this to hurt to, you know, fuel their gaff, you know, to do the heat.

So they're like, this is gonna hurt people that we don't want, but Well, they think one of 'em says, well, there's always collateral damage in.

Reegs: Well, I think what's interesting is the way they sort of slowly they. radicalize each other. Nobody is quite the initiator.

It's there's no clear leader in the team, but it comes about through various people's motivations being strong at the right time. And you know, that's how this quite sophisticated plan comes out. And it, like you say, it does get more sophisticated towards the end because they do do get the blowing up, which involves a lot of the team dispersing before it happens.

And

Sidey: Well they also, when they take the two bombs into the van and they drive off and there's all this stuff about don't fucking go over any potholes or anything like that.

There's very clearly another one. There's some bomb parts, the camera just stays on one as they drive off, that something's been left behind. There's some other bomb. And so you're like, hmm. It's not very subtly done, it's like, you know, very, very clear that there's a bit, something else going on.

Dan: else going on.

Yeah, we did eventually, yeah. So, Rowan

Sidey: they do, but.

Reegs: do eventually, yeah. So, Rowan and Logan, they're to set everything off by switching the valve off. And yeah, there's been a drone that we've seen earlier that Lucas has pulled out the sky with a fucking hook or something that he had

Dan: he had in his...

Sidey: there was a broken ratchet kind

Reegs: And the camera zooms in to say what you're doing don't just you you need to destroy that thing, but they don't And so they there's a bit of a shootout actually with a couple of engineers And they

Sidey: There's a couple of, like, idiotic armed engineers. And they are literally just crouched behind a bush, behind them, and the guy doesn't see them. And they're like, well, we need, but the whole mission is dependent on them turning that valve and switching that off.

And so he decides...

Dan: in the sky to, to send a green signal. So

Sidey: as they're chatting he runs around, slashes their tires. And then as they're investigating that he runs around, cuts the, cause they've been on a, you know, one of those like SOS, like telephone things. Cuts that they realize they're being toyed with and he runs off and they're the worst fucking shot.

I mean, considering like everyone in America loves guns, they couldn't have fucking bombed door. I mean, he's only like. Yeah. 15 foot away. Yeah. And I think when he comes back, you'd see that they did shoot him through the arm but that was it. So, he's got away. And while he's caused that distraction, she's gone up broken through the gate and just turn the valve and set the firework off so that they know.

That's right. I think it's isn't it? They set up a remote detonator. So, it's star 123 I think to set it off. Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: And you see the simultaneous explosions as they, as some of them have dispersed Alicia with the broken leg is driving back off to home, Michael has got on a bus the landowner guy, Jake,

Sidey: He's

Dan: in a bar

Sidey: a bar, yeah.

Reegs: in a bar with a pissed up sheriff next to him and then the explosions happen and they're pretty ferocious

Sidey: Yeah, you're like, fuck, they did it.

Reegs: They did it. yeah. And it was the, you know, you were thinking the whole time, is it going to happen? But yeah, they pull this thing

Dan: you see a shot of it being done. And it just kind of collapses the whole pipe, doesn't it?

It goes right away, no oils coming out. And yeah, they're, they're kind of job well done, on the way. And, and then we've, we've learned about this plot of,

Sidey: then it's, then it flashes back. Yeah. It's the, I think this is the final flashback and it's where we learn that.

So she knows that

Reegs: She knows the FBI are coming.

Sidey: She knows that What's her name? Is a, is an informant and she's actually She's made that part of the plan to just inform on

Dan: They've double bluffed it. Yeah. At one point Rowan, the, the, the girl, isn't it? She's got a bruise on the side of her face when she's in the, in the side of the car.

It's just after she's been released from the police station. And and he gets back to the car. They're sat on there and he's saying, you know, we've got to kind of work it out. And I wasn't sure if that was a bust up. Between them they'd seen or is a bruise that I hadn't seen before but certainly she's now come around to the the point where she's saying You know, I love you, but i'm you're not gonna let you rat on our friends and This is where the first I'd seen of this plot.

So they begin, we're going to blame someone else, or we're going to have these two that are going to be sacrificial lambs.

Sidey: so she puts a video out of her taking responsibility for it. And so this is what we're going to do. This is what our organization is. And Theo is like, well, I'm going to die. So I'm just going to take some people down with me, take some organizations down with me.

That's fine. So they are happy to take the rap. And that means that they're the sort of sacrificial ones. They do time means that everyone else gets off. But. Everyone else is being watched. Yeah. You see Michael walking around on campus or something like that, and it's just a fed's just constantly watching him.

Yeah. And so they kind of like know something's going on, but they can't pin it on anyone because they, they have all the evidence in that building. And that's what that last bomb was for, to blow it up as, as they arrive.

Reegs: And then the F b I, they sort of work as she's teed up the story that they, they're only interested in uncovering something and the publicity around that. They don't really care whether they get to the end of the. Story. So that's how they're able to just blame it on just the two of them when it was clearly a much more

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: plan. But like you say, there's also that air of everybody involved.

Sidey: Rowan ends up s in, she gets paid for their information.

Yeah. She takes it back to what's his name's been shot. It's like, here we go, we're out. You know,

Reegs: And then we finish, I think, I don't know if it's some indeterminate time later, another group has been inspired by what's happened and they sort of masked figures go to a marina and place explosives on expensive yachts.

Sidey: Yeah, and the same manifesto goes up. Goes

Reegs: manifesto goes up and the movie ends.

Dan: Yeah And we also see her in the hospital, don't we? She does.

Sidey: she does die, Yeah. So yeah, it's one of those movies where the plan all goes smooth. How to blow up a

Dan: How to blow up a pipeline. That's how to do it. Yeah. It was it's interesting, isn't it? You know, as like the, the argument behind it is as much as anything else. And that debate that they had, you know, they're going to call his terrorists comparing it yourselves to

Reegs: they don't spend a lot of time moralizing or hand wringing about the ethics of what they're doing that's dealt with pretty, you know, this is

Dan: well, they're all committed people already, aren't they? Yeah.

Reegs: This is showing you what you could do and the type of people that could pull it off. It's pretty anarchic stuff.

Sidey: yeah.

Reegs: and I did like it for that. And it's really just asking the question. It's the same question that the book's asking, which is do the ends justify the means? You know, and I don't know, it's a, it's a

Sidey: When I was looking at it, I was thinking, well, they've just... It's just a bit of pipe that needs to get fixed.

I didn't know that it was that

Reegs: They do explain what they think, and I regret that I didn't note it down, but they do explain what they think this will do,

Sidey: Yeah, it's obviously significant, but when you're looking at it on the film, because they are just, you know, links of...

Reegs: which is done together

Sidey: I don't know, it just, when you're looking at it like that, I was like, 10 meters of pipe,

Reegs: Well, as much as anything, I guess it's,

Sidey: it's a big statement

Reegs: that it gave to that other group to rise up, but also becomes more and more extreme.

Sidey: That's that's what I was going to say.

So they they're blowing up. They were very very cautious about what they want to do. They wanted to localize it in case there was a spill. They didn't want any You know land to

Cris: yeah. Contaminated or anything is, yeah.

Sidey: the but the next group they were just like we'll just chuck a bomb on a boat And

Dan: in a

Sidey: they just pressed five minutes.

They didn't know who was going to be around so it was it was escalating to the point where it wasn't a responsible

Reegs: but the morality of this stuff is complicated because in Sweden where the author is from there was I remember a case where an ambulance was denied access to a hospital or a route on a hospital by climate change protesters and the patient in Ambulance died and it would they have Not so, you know, that's like an act of sort of eco terrorism and does that end justify those means and would other people argue about?

the averted deaths of Future it's

Sidey: Oh, you can't watch a sporting event now without, you know, stop, just stop all interrupting it.

Reegs: they're psyops I think planted by big oil

Sidey: acres.

Cris: there you go.

Dan: I always think though that it's it is, you know, good to have these films that that challenge and inspire people because there's a certain amount of. You know, anarchy like rigs. I have appeals to me as well with it. You know, you just give it the well Fuck you because they are doing a lot of shit.

Do take the piss, you know We talked about erin brockovich for example earlier and other true stories that big corporations are just pumping out too much so, as we get more and more into these, um you know, serious climate problems and things like that, that mindset, you can't deny it is going to be around, you know, and it will be around more, yeah, it'll be around more and more.

So it's what leads to that is more the, the answer that the, and the questions that this. Film kind of asked me it's like, you know, I don't know if they They how modern it is in the in the future. I think it's like based today, isn't it? I mean it was it was like this time.

Cris: it was based today, I still have to say, I don't know, I've asked this question before on the podcast. I've not been to America yet, but do people in America still use those flip phones?

Reegs: Right. She had a 32 10, I think, and she could play snake on that thing.

That was crazy because you pointed that out before. And I looked at this, I like,

Sidey: No, that was the Motorola RAZR she had

Cris: Yeah, no, the flip one, but someone else had like an old school

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: was that the

Cris: Yeah, so I'm just thinking well, I know it's it's the kind of Texas and it's in the sticks and hillbillies and that but Jesus Christ Technology you've got the technology to build a bomb

Sidey: Nobody's

Reegs: got an iPhone. Yeah. It could be on ethical grounds though. Those people, those characters may choose a really shitty phone made you know,

Cris: but the picture she takes that's not gonna have a this that's VGA

Reegs: It's a burner phone, isn't it? Cause it's, she's

Sidey: Yeah, one of them tosses one, don't

Cris: Right. Okay. Fair enough.

Reegs: There you go. They've solved that one.

Cris: It was interesting. I'll have to say I'm happy. It's just a movie. I'm happy. It's not based on a real event that actually,

Dan: Yeah,

Cris: no, I know, but, but at least, at least it's not, it's just a hypothetical. Thing, and it's just thought provoking and it's like, okay, let's raise the debate.

And, and I found it a little bit complicated with the, with the number of

Sidey: There is a lot. Yeah, there's a lot.

Cris: And, and I, that's why I think I, I could tell you Rowan, because I remember the name, because obviously Pete's son is called Rowan's. Like I, I could, and I thought it's an unusual name for a girl

Sidey: And thinking back on it, I can't remember what Michael brought to the party.

Reegs: He was the big, no I liked him, he was a great, he was the explosives guy. Was he

Sidey: was he the indigenous guy? Yeah. Yeah. So who is the black fella?

Reegs: Sean. Yeah,

Sidey: What did Sean do?

Reegs: he was part

Cris: helping with the...

Reegs: and he, he sort of gels everything together because he works for the organization.

He becomes disenchanted with just making films about stuff and wants to kind

Sidey: And

Reegs: And I think he's the guy who meets the, Texas guy whilst filming

Sidey: That's right. Yeah, he

Reegs: story. So he glues that part of the the story together But yeah, there were a lot of characters

Sidey: In a relatively short run time, it's hard to remember everyone.

Reegs: in a relatively short it does have this non linear structure, but I felt everything was pretty clear the whole time

Cris: and it was, but just because there's so many of them and they, one breaks the leg. The other one is, and they all have all these too many names. Then there's an action with these guys, then it moves to the other guys. They get separated. Then she goes to the, you know, it's a flashback. It kind of went a bit kind of too many.

You couldn't say who's the main character

Dan: Yeah. I I, must admit, in some, some of the...

Reegs: yeah, I get that, but maybe there wasn't one. Because I think this was about, just,

Cris: just,

Sidey: an ensemble.

Reegs: it was more about the act of it and how it could happen.

Dan: It, it did slightly kind of, I, I think overused the, the flashbacks a couple of times,

Sidey: We had to have one for every character, didn't

Dan: there were, there were so, smooth though.

Sometimes you didn't even know if it, which timeline you were in, you know? So it took me Oh right.

Reegs: Well, often though, it would happen during a really dramatic moment, like the moment she breaks her leg, or the moment the explosive goes off accidentally, or,

Dan: dramatic moment, like the moment she breaks her leg or the moment the explosion goes off

Sidey: because if it was

Dan: 10, 25 years in the future and you know things continue to decline and people's, you know, you can see this kind of thing happening, you know that they'll go Well, this is one way to stop it, you know straight away.

And yeah, it will be a a thought provoking film for lots more people than me, I guess

Sidey: I really liked

Dan: Just with the title

Sidey: Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I was, I was hooked on it and it reminded me of me and a couple of mates. We started a, a revolutionary gang.

Dan: A

Sidey: We did honestly.

I can't tell you its name.

Reegs: Can you tell us off air,

Sidey: yeah, I'll tell you off. So, yeah, it brought back memories of that, so

Dan: Still going

Cris: what was your purpose or what

Sidey: Me, personally, I was Minister of Propaganda.

Reegs: Right. Okay. Yeah. And what were your biggest endeavors?

Cris: What was the belief? Was it, like, what, communism, Marxism?

What?

Sidey: Anarchy. Right. Yeah, yeah.

Cris: running riot.

Reegs: But like literally the dis that is the dissolution of all like forms of government and

Sidey: Just attacking just power structures. Yeah. And taking them down, yeah. In using banners.

Reegs: Oh, banners, That's powerful though,

Sidey: Yeah, you can't be a good banner. We never did anything though, but we haven't officially disbanded it either.

Cris: Okay. so you, you're still kind of,

Dan: Active. Sleeper cell.

Sidey: something could happen. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we're just waiting to be activated again. Okay. Yeah.

Dan: Interesting. Yeah.

Sidey: So, yeah, love this.

Reegs: Strong recommend. Er, the score was really good

Sidey: Score was

Reegs: as well. Sort of, tangerine dream I'm gonna say, that sort of element to it.

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: yeah.

Dan: du,

du, du, du, du, du,

Sidey: Speaking of speaking of terrorists,

Dan: du, Did we watch The Wombles?

Sidey: we watch the Wombles. Yeah. Season two, episode thirteen. Oh,

Dan: classic. Yeah.

Reegs: top rated episode on I M D B. So I thought, let's go in with the,

Sidey: Why not go for the best and it was the Episode was called what the Wombles

Reegs: The Borough Hotline.

Sidey: hotline. That's right.

So it starts off with Uncle Bulgaria He is trying to move some of his paperwork around the borough

Reegs: Yeah.

Sidey: The borough is quite cool You can see that it's obviously made from the stuff as we know from the theme song that people leave lying around said one of Their doors is a car door

Reegs: you

Sidey: well, big enough to be able to walk through a car door

Reegs: it's obviously

Sidey: But then when you see them on, on top of the pops, They're maybe they, oh my God. Are they transmutable, is that the right word? No,

Reegs: I think they're just enormous and they live in underground caverns. They're just, I think that's the thing, because you see them in the intro and

Dan: an animal hobbit.

Reegs: As a kid, I strongly felt that they must be, like, basically some sort of hedgehog. The Wombles. But, when you see that they're man sized... Wombles Real? Yeah. Apparently this Chris is looking it

Cris: apparently this Chris is looking... They are, bro. They've been on top

Sidey: they are real.

They've been on top of the pops.

Reegs: Yeah, but an actual animal called a Womble, there is a All right. But yeah, so they are actually people size, which are funny, terrifying, and also they have eyes at the front. Don't they? Rather than on the side. Because like, horses, and cows and stuff have, prey, basically, have

Sidey: basically, on the side.

Oh, so you're saying they're an apex

Reegs: Yes, exactly!

They've got eyes on the, yeah. Yeah,

Sidey: got eyes on them. Yeah. Yeah. But this is far more bureaucratic and administrative, this episode, because he's having a hard time keeping on top of his paperwork. And so, one of the other Wombles, who's Tobermory, it's a great name, Tobermory, yeah. He comes up with this idea, where he immediately just starts, fashioning some sort of washing line, which is what it turns that into but just hammering things into the wall. And so uncle bugger can paperclip or What you call it clothepeg his paperwork On there and then they just winch it around and that's it's so boring That's a

Reegs: I don't

Dan: yeah, also

Reegs: think so.

Sidey: know, because they don't buy anything, they just find it, so there's no invoicing to do. what's

Dan: They're wombles, you know, that's, that's what they do.

Sidey: No, they don't do that. Also

Dan: but they, uncle Bulgaria does. Yeah, it's it. I love this kind of animation though,

Sidey: it's stop motion.

So this is 1973. Do you know what date this aired?

Dan: Yes.

Sidey: It's not 1973. That's bullshit. That's when it started. This particular episode aired on the 1st of October, 1975. And this episode, yeah, of this podcast will go out on the 1st of October.

Reegs: Wow, look at that.

Sidey: Isn't it amazing?

Reegs: Yeah, that is quite

Sidey: Which makes it, I think, 48 years old.

Reegs: Wow, and we're celebrating Wombles, perfect. Yeah, just to round off the plot very quickly, because these are blissfully only four and a half minutes long, and at least a minute and a half is taken up with intro and outro,

Dan: Well and

Reegs: good music.

Sidey: outro. Cribbins doing the voice.

Reegs: It is, and Madame Cholet, who's got that

Sidey: like a prostitute. Yeah. Or at least a madam.

Reegs: They're always kind of sexy French women that they bring in, aren't they? Like, it's the same in Peppa

Sidey: They're very old fashioned gender roles in this, I would say.

Reegs: yeah, that is unfortunate, yeah. And she's hanging out the washing and it gets mixed up with the administration.

Sidey: Yeah. They're stamping the... Yeah. It's like a production line, basically, of the invoices being stamped. Yeah. And they comedically stamp the washing.

Reegs: Hmm.

Sidey: Yeah. That was the extent of the excitement. Yeah.

Dan: yeah, yeah. It's not a thrill a minute,

Sidey: It was good. I enjoyed it. It was just low key.

Reegs: key, well, with a frenzied sex attack, doesn't it? With Madam Sole and

Sidey: She ends up pegging Uncle Bulgaria. Yeah. Didn't see that coming.

Reegs: So yeah, one balls

Dan: Great theme tune.

Sidey: It's classic.

Dan: You know, it's classic British TV

Sidey: The Wombles of Wimbledon Common are we. Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: I just find it terrifying that they're, like, canon that big.

Sidey: Well, it's a bit like, I guess, it's like an underground, you know, society

Dan: it's like,

Sidey: marauding,

Dan: big brown badger

Sidey: apex predators.

Reegs: Yeah. I know, if they decided they would, wanted to overtake, but they don't.

Dan: badges are like

Sidey: that. They're very benign, so that's good. Yeah.

Reegs: And although this one wasn't very much about recycling or reusing things, except in the aesthetic that we saw, the whole concept back in

Sidey: 1970,

Reegs: whatever you said it was, three, five is pretty amazing that it persists, you know, that it was before all of the movement really now.

Sidey: Yeah, it was so good that they tried to reboot it in 2015.

There were 52 episodes originally planned and

Reegs: Soullessly, c g i, everybody

Sidey: CGI'd? Well, it got cancelled after two episodes, or?

Reegs: Did they ever, they didn't make it to air those episodes

Sidey: No, there are two episodes that were ever screened at the Cambridge Film Festival in 2016, so

Reegs: They were booed, just booed off

Dan: Never again!

Sidey: So yeah, it was sadly cancelled. But the original I remember it very fondly. And I quite enjoyed watching it again for this. It was good.

Dan: yeah, it was nice. But the, the theme tune is probably the best thing.

Cris: it was difficult to find. I kinda,

Sidey: I could find loads and loads of episodes on YouTube, but not

Cris: Yeah. Well that, that's the thing.

Reegs: Oh, you're kidding. Oh, you should have said, and then we could have changed It

Cris: I

Sidey: Well, I watched the one, we did, but I didn't find

Cris: one on YouTube and I've seen something else like how they look like on YouTube and I was like, well, I'm not watching this.

Dan: watching it. I watched it on Dailymotion in the four minutes, and...

Reegs: unless they start... Oh, there are other content providers out there.

Dan: they start... Oh, what, There are, and they may show you less adverts than I watched, because I

Sidey: well, it's not, there's nothing of it at all on iPlay. I was surprised. I thought this was a B B C thing. Yeah. But no, what's on there?

So you just gotta go and watch it where you can find it. And it's a strong recommend, Chris. So is it Yeah,

Cris: oh my god, it is. It is it the full four minutes of absolute joy?

Sidey: Yeah. Yeah,

Cris: right. I'm watching it then.

Reegs: And the theme tune's really good. Is that one that we're going to put in?

Sidey: This is it.

Dan: Oh, that's brilliant. Yeah.

Cris: Oh, Yeah. I'm impressed with that

Dan: Yeah,

Sidey: Yeah, right. Strongly recommend.

Dan: Some strong recommends this

Sidey: I strongly recommend a game of Attack right now. Plus finishing the Mawum,

Dan: mawum. Is there still Mawum

Sidey: left? I don't know, you might have to provide us with other snacks. But nothing really to add other than stuff will happen next week, probably. And come and find us on Discord, because that is the future.

Reegs: Discord, because that is the future. Reegs's recommendations were good this week, weren't they? We should all

Dan: that is the future. you know, and we, we know now it's good to get the clarity from the poll earlier. I won't mention

Reegs: that was Discord. And there is a poll bot, so you could run your own polls on there in which you prove Peter wrong.

Dan: prove Peter wrong. Have we got any choices for next week at the moment?

Reegs: I dunno whose go It is.

Sidey: Might be your go Dan, or might be

Dan: right?

Well, I know that we're going to watch.

Cris: I'm, I'm,

Sidey: away. You're in Romania aren't you next week, yeah.

Cris: go back home for a week.

Sidey: See the wombles?

Cris: Yeah, and then I'm back and then we're straight into Paella. Yeah,

Sidey: Yeah. We're partying at at Chatto Sidewalls. And then that's we're having. Yeah. So maybe, yeah, maybe it's you.

Maybe it's you Dan.

Dan: Well, I know then that we're gonna watch Babe.

Sidey: Oh, okay. It's

Dan: our midweek yeah, maybe not. And we will take it from there. I'll release the rest on

Sidey: is Babe

Dan: Live.

Sidey: So the midweek is babe. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah.

Cris: is there one,

Dan: can do what I

Cris: Are there more than one, I think?

Sidey: one,

Cris: Right, but

Reegs: going the

Dan: We're going with the original.

Cris: Okay,

Sidey: Chris is done. Dan's gone.

Reegs: Reeg's out.

Cris: out.

Chris is done.

Dan: Dan's gone.