Copies & Copycat

Copycat

Reegs: Welcome to Bad Dad's Film Review the podcast that is to original content as artificial intelligence is to stealing human creativity and regurgitating it like a digital bulimic. This week we are diving into the wonderful world of duplicates and knockoffs. With our copies themed episode, our top five copies section will see us handling more cheap imitations than the bleeding fingers of a 6-year-old in a Bangladeshi sweatshop.

Our main feature sees us taking a look back at 1990 Five's copycat starring Sigourney Weaver as an agoraphobic forensic psychologist taking on a ruthless serial killer from the confines of their apartment. It's a bit like rear window, dressed to kill Silence of the Lambs, or seven, except those are all much better movies than this derivative dribble.

And now for our usual standard public health warning, we're about to reproduce more plots than a Chinese DVD factory. And our words contain more filth than a sewage treatment plant. So if you're under the impression that civilization is salvageable, evacuate the [00:01:00] area immediately for everyone else. Let's meet this week's bootleg versions of functioning adults.

Start starting with Dan. He's so old. He remembers when piracy required an actual ship and his fuck giving mechanism was discontinued by the manufacturer sometime during the Gutenberg era with no replacement parts available.

Dan: Zero fucks.

Reegs: Then this gorgeous Chris. He watches films like a man being waterboarded with his own tears.

At least, unless there's at least one strangulation and a detective having a nervous breakdown, Chris approaches cinema like its experimental surgery performed on his will to live

Cris: exactly

Reegs: and entering his refractory period. The man whose dedication to self-replication would make a photocopier on amphetamines jealous.

It's sidey. Hello. And then there's me Riggs. Hello.

Dan: Hello, hello.

Reegs: hello.

Sidey: How's everyone?

Cris: Very good. Yes. We, I I'm, I'm quite

Dan: energized.

Yeah. Yeah. Feeling good.

Sidey: But it's another visit to the Multiplex.

You're quite prolific cinema guy.

Reegs: he is two weeks in a row. [00:02:00] Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: You saw

Reegs: weapons.

It's Zach Gregger who did Barbarian.

It's his follow-up movie. It's got a strong hook about a class, a complete class of children that all disappear at two 17 in the morning. It's goes, it was, I really enjoyed it. It goes in many directions. I did not anticipate at all. It's wildly funny. I don't, there was only me, my wife and one other guy at the front and I dunno if he loved me laughing through the light

the, last 15 minutes of the movie.

Which is just so brutal sometimes that the only reaction is to laugh. Strong recommend for that. I

Dan: I was gonna ask, was there many people in the, in the cinema

Reegs: Yeah, just the three of us. Yeah. Yeah.

Dan: Okay. Nice, nice little trio. I haven't been in ages to the Yeah, I know They

Sidey: singer Hadley, keeping that face afloat.

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: Well, to be fair, if they keep showing films like that, then none of us

else

Sidey: but they could just only show what's out.

You know? They can't invent films themselves.

Dan: Maybe they, maybe they should. I dunno.

Sidey: well possibly. I don't, they've got the money to Netflix [00:03:00] Yeah.

They, they don't have Netflix money, that's for sure.

Dan: they don't have Netflix money. I haven't watched a lot actually this week that hasn't been on our to-do list. So I haven't got a, a great deal to add to conversations around films.

Reegs: Okay,

good. Excellent.

Dan: makes is another perfect.

Cris: very similar to Dan in that since I didn't really have a lot of time.

I did watch there's a documentary series on Netflix about Hitler in the Nazis which is always a great topic. And every time there's, I think it's like six episodes, it's, it's more just because I, I can't remember why I put it on just because there was nothing else that I could watch. I was like, oh, I'll just watch an episode of this and I'll go to bed.

And every time I put it on ki like, are you okay? Should I be worried? I was like, no, it's just. Something to watch and you know, it's

Reegs: it's the goose stepping around the kitchen and saluting that

Sidey: Why are you getting your uniform when I

Cris: yeah. Me memorabilia is an issue. No I [00:04:00] watched that and I did watch another movie, but it is been so memorable that I couldn't tell you what I watched.

and it, it was definitely a 2025 film, but again, it was such a interesting topic that I couldn't tell you what it was.

Sidey: Okay. Completely took me by surprise.

But on Netflix, a Divo documentary movie appeared. So I watched that.

Reegs: Any good?

Sidey: Yeah. Well one of my favorite bands. Yeah. So really liked it. I dunno why it exists

Reegs: the documentary.

Sidey: Yeah. 'cause you're not, I dunno. 'cause they're like quite a, I suppose people know whip it as in whip it's not the dog not with it.

Yeah. But if you didn't know the band, you probably wouldn't care about the documentary. The

Reegs: suit and the look and all

Sidey: And the di flower pots and stuff. And, I mean, I thought it was great, but I don't think they're gonna win like a legion of new fans off the back of it. No. But I really enjoyed it.

Yeah, it's good. And my daughter's so into Star at Next Gen, so we're watching loads of that.

Dan: Oh really?

Sidey: Yeah, she's [00:05:00] super into it. But no other films. I don't think that was it on the film front.

Dan: Quiet, then quiet mostly. Well

Reegs: top five last week?

Cris: Cowboys in Waiting Rooms.

Reegs: Oh yeah. I don't think we had any cowboy in waiting

Sidey: No, it was the hard slot.

Reegs: the public.

Dan: well, we found quite a few, didn't we?

Sidey: didn't we? We did, we did. Better than Expected. Yeah,

Dan: I'm sure they'll, they'll drip in. Maybe in a couple of years time somebody will listen back to this podcast and they'll, they'll send in their top cowboy in waiting room.

Sidey: Yeah. Maybe we'll have more success.

'cause this is copy week. We're gonna talk about top five copies in whatever

Yeah. And then copycat. And there may or may not be a quiz this week. You just dunno. I to wait and

Dan: We dunno.

Sidey: I have to wait after the top five. Should we crack on the top five copies? Yeah,

Dan: let's

copy out

Cris: top five. Copies.

Sidey: Copies. So you could interpret this any way that you like. So first

thing,

Reegs: have you interpreted it

Sidey: Well, in many ways and one of the things that I was thinking about was clones, our [00:06:00] copies. So we watched Moon that turned out to be a load of clones of Sam Rockwell. Yeah.

One thing we haven't watched have we was multiplicity.

Michael Keaton, you can never have too much Michael

Reegs: Keaton. Yeah. And for some reason there's like a gay Michael Keaton, like one of his clones comes out a bit fruity and the

Sidey: For another memorable one. It's not actually a clone Oh no.

There, there cloning in it. Prestige with Tesla's clothing machine. Yes. Yeah. Because obviously they hit the I'm not, can we have twins as a copy? I think that's, Yeah. It's true. Severance.

Reegs: Yeah. What the

Sidey: Dunno, it's not really after

Reegs: thinking of Smith, agent Smith. He kind

Dan: himself. Yeah. Well he does, doesn't he

Reegs: himself?

Sidey: the one where there's like a million of him on screen at

one.

Reegs: burley brawl. reloaded.

Sidey: the island now, Arthur, Arthur Dreadful. Shes people are cloned to harvest their organs in that one. Yeah. So there you go. Any of them really? Yeah. Oh, actually special mention [00:07:00] could have been a norm, actually a Gemini man.

'cause it's Will Smith. And he fights

Reegs: a younger version of himself. which

Sidey: my favorite thing, which is digital de aging. Yeah. A digitally de aged Will Smith. What could be better than that? Yeah.

Reegs: That's bad. That movie. I've seen

Cris: Yeah, I've seen it too. And it's

Sidey: I'm surprised you've seen it.

Cris: well, I think I was on a flight. Oh,

Sidey: Ah, okay.

Cris: pretty sure I was

Sidey: You're a captive audience

Cris: and it was, there wasn't that many options and I just thought, well, I'll just put this on.

I didn't,

yeah, it was

Sidey: Yeah. Fucking,

yeah.

Cris: Yeah, it was terrible. I've got a copy that is on a clone.

Sidey: Okay.

Reegs: Okay.

Cris: Okay. But it's a, it's a copy of some genitals on a photocopy here.

Sidey: Yeah. I, I've got a photocopy of this section. Yeah.

Reegs: So have I. Yeah.

Cris: it's James McAvoy's character in filth. I

Dan: thought of this one as well. Yeah.

Cris: That was the first one I've ever thought when it was a copy, I was like, right. I know, I

Sidey: you went straight for the pen.

Dan: I, I read, I read the book. And

Cris: what is the most important part of the body?

Sidey: Yeah.

Reegs: I think a bottom is a thing that you should photocopy. If you're gonna photocopy

anything.

Sidey: I wouldn't wanna sit, especially, I'm quite heavy. I wouldn't sit on [00:08:00] the, in case it broke well.

Reegs: Wellsy. One study that I saw reported that approximately 15% of all major photocopy repairs are the result of people attempting to photocopy

Sidey: that's too high a ratio for me. I I don't like those odds.

Dan: Yeah.

Cris: Was what? 15 or 50? Oh, right, okay. It's my favorite 15. No. Anyway, that, I dunno if anyone of you have seen the film.

Dan: I, I've seen the film and I've read the book and I'm gonna copy your, your nom there because I was gonna say it as well. And

Sidey: and

Dan: and

part of what I remember about the, that scene was he is trying to impress one of the girls at the office Christmas party.

And so he goes to the coffee ach the, and he eat the coffee machine and he, he convinces all, all the guys in the office to share the size of their dick on the. He does, like, he knows how to work it. So he does his like times sort of nine or whatever, and he [00:09:00] comes second and he can't fucking believe it.

He's like, oh my God, who that guy is fucking, and he, when he's finally got the, the gladi from the girl he's trying to convince and she's like, come and show me what you've got after. They've all had a look at these. He says, the look on her face was just such disappointment, but I was already in

Reegs: yeah, it's too late by then.

Dan: it was too late.

Yeah. So thanks for that, Chris.

Dreadful. Sorry,

Cris: I just, yeah,

Reegs: we

watched that dreadful office Christmas party. Do you remember that? Yeah. That had some photocopying stuff in it. How do you feel about plagiarism?

taking the work of others and passing it off as your own.

I've got some movies that are about that sort of thing. Secret Window is the Johnny Depp as an author. Yeah. And Billy Bob Thornton turns up and starts terrorizing him. A stranger accuses him of plagiarizing a story that he wrote. Spoiler alert. Turns out that it's himself. The social network has the, the sort of subplot in that has the vle was, what are they called?

[00:10:00] Winkle Voss Twins. They're attempting to sue Zuckerberg over the plagiarism of the actual idea of the Facebook. They said it was theirs tron. The events of that movie kicked off when Flynn goes in to document proof of people plagiarizing series of games that he wrote for the company. And of course, there's a Simpsons for everything.

The day the violence died has Roger Meyer senior ripping off Chester lamp wick. Do you remember that? An old hobo toilet? Yeah.

Sidey: I. Use one of the characters, the old characters as well, an unhappy disgruntled goat.

Reegs: A nice, yeah. And even they even shout out themselves. He says, oh, animation's built on plagiarism. If it wasn't for someone plagiarizing the Honeymooners, we wouldn't have the Flintstones.

If someone hadn't ripped off Bilko, there'd be no Chief Wigga.

Sidey: meta

Reegs: and just, it's not quite copying, but there is in Bart, the genius principal, Skinner has a meeting with Bart's parents. He's concerned that he's been faking handwriting copy, you know, and but it [00:11:00] turns out, no, it's just home as shit handwriting. So that's an attempted copy, or a thought was a copy, but it

Sidey: forgeries. Thomas Crown Affair. Really, really like this is the Pierce Brosnan version. I really like that movie.

And he steals a painting and puts it back. Immediately, but it's the forgery.

Dan: a copy.

Reegs: a Monet isn't, it's the one with the apple,

Sidey: monnet. Yeah. And when the sprinklers go off, it takes away the new paint and leaves behind the original paint. It's been there the whole time. Yeah. Like that. He's really, really hot in it. What did I see today?

Bond. They, they're talking about possibly a reality TV show to pick the bond girls.

Reegs: Alright. Okay. So

Sidey: fucking catastrophically bad. Made you look that was real. Like, that was a documentary about real life forgeries in the Nerd Look Gallery. Yeah. Which had Rothko's and Pollocks Real, real, real forgeries.

We were sold I think so. You know, they got fucking done over there. And there's an awesome Wells [00:12:00] documentary F is for Fake in

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: about the art forger Elmer Horri or hockey or, I dunno how you pronounce it

Dan: Elmer fd.

Reegs: We did that movie about Lee Israel. Can you, what was it called? Can you, can you have,

Dan: can you forgive me?

Reegs: And she. Had forged over 400 letters from, and was selling them off to private collectors from the likes of Noel Coward and that sort of thing.

Dan: Yeah. That's a good, good

Reegs: She was a forger. Enjoyed that. Oh, and the ninth gate, do you remember that, that had a forged picture in it?

Sidey: Yes, that's right.

The devil. That's like a

Reegs: major plot point that those brothers had forged it and they go and find the, the page at the end and he disappears into the void.

Cris: You spoke about fake fake money in films. there's, there's a, the, the money are made to, to look like money, but the, the studios have to put a, like anyone that uses money in films because they're fake money [00:13:00] they've made from distance to look real, but they have a sign on the right.

On the, on the right side of the head. Generally in America, because it's the dollar bills and all that, on the right side of the head is for motion picture use only. Yeah. Right. So, so you can't use it as it is. And there's special regulations. There's for motion picture use only. There's a secret service as regulation that dictate how to prop money can be designed, requiring changes the color elements or a minimum size percentage to prevent it from being too accurate.

The texture is not the same is more like cloth-like rather than, than, than the, like, the dollars. They, they, the different denominations in style for filmmakers there's, there's, there's quite a, quite a lot of,

Sidey: one uses cash anymore anyway.

Cris: well, I dunno, it, it depends on

Sidey: in the movies

Cris: it is, but and also real money can be used in specific scenarios such as when the money's destroyed.

So you can burn real money.[00:14:00]

Reegs: Well, I've got a quote here from Greg Bilson Jr. Who runs a company called Independent Studio Services. They make prop money. And they made some for rush hour too. They made billions for the climax, which is gonna be blown up.

14 pallet loads of a hundred dollars bills stacked four feet high. And they were built on an original printing press that was an intaglio the type used by the US government for actual US currency. And this guy got in trouble because extras shouldn't have had that. They blew it up, they blew up the money, but Extras had pocketed a load of it and tried to spend it outside and was visited by the FBI to say where you counterfeiting

Sidey: Yeah, a little bit.

Dan: Wow. I'll tell you who does loads of copies is Bollywood.

They just, they can't stop themselves. And whether it be just the whole film or just parts of it, they'll always be keen on ripping off anything they can. There was a film called Shang [00:15:00] Harsh 1999 Bollywood film.

A female cop needs help from an incarcerated genius to find a killer. Yeah, it's Silence of the Lambs.

Reegs: These are good knockoffs,

Dan: Yeah, they're really good ones. Bang Bang Bollywood, A woman gets swept into an international intrigue after meeting a mysterious man. And I dunno why they would remake this, but it was Tom Cruise's night and day.

Reegs: all right.

Yeah.

Dan: But I've

Reegs: that one. Cameron

Dan: Yeah,

that's right. And

Reegs: knocking her out.

Dan: Yeah, apparently. So. There was, just a, a whole ton of these. But then Hollywood has done its own kind of remakes and copies of Hollywood films as well. True. Grit was a copy of

Reegs: True grit. True.

Great.

Dan: True Grit. True Grit. And who would, who would've thought the Talented Mr.

Ripley was a copy of Purple Noon

Reegs: well, and also involves quite a lot of forgery and stuff as well. He fakes his own, you know,

Dan: it is got, it's got plenty of copying in that as well. And Pulp Fiction had [00:16:00] also pretty much lifted lots of

Reegs: oh, dialogue was lifted wholesale from movies.

I know

Dan: things from that.

Reegs: A load of like really good Tarantino dialogue that you think of is Tarantino dialogue is lifted

Sidey: Wholesale from other

Dan: Samuel Jackson's famous Bible speeches, pretty much taken from the bodyguard. 1976. sunny Cheba.

so

there

you go. Some copying

Sidey: the Whitney Houston.

Cris: Yeah, I

Reegs: I did his first.

Dan: no, no,

Cris: that's the only one I

Dan: that was a, they've just copied the name there.

Sidey: Right. Okay.

Cris: Okay.

Reegs: Well, nothing really compares to that moment when, you know, that thrill of really connecting with something that you see on screen. And I think I speak for all of us. When you see something like the original Heidelberg plot press that was introduced in 1914 and manufactured between 1923 and 1985 you just, you really, that resonates.

And I think of some movies that that was in. Catch me if you can. It's, it's the printing press thing that's used to produce [00:17:00] money and catch Me if You Can, has the true story of Frank

Sidey: Yes. Junior. Yeah.

Reegs: He eventually has DiCaprio producing his own money at the climax of the film, seven Pounds. You see that one Will Smith?

No.

Sidey: No.

Reegs: His character falls in love with a woman who used to print invitations as a hobby. She keeps a broken Heidelberg printing press in her garage. Inception. The room used as a training basis full of printing equipment, including a galley press and a Heidelberg. That's very exciting

Sidey: Oh, two for one.

Reegs: I got all this information, I should say from where was it from Printing press monthly?

Was it? It was from United Media

Dan: You gotta wait a month.

Reegs: Yeah. The Goonies, the Fratellis use a Heidelberg to counterfeit bank notes. Paddington two has a Heidelberg press, and the book of Eli was the one where Denzel Washington is a blind guy who can remember the Bible, and they eventually churn it out on movie.

So thank God for the

Sidey: that is sweet

Reegs: Press.

Cris: Wow. Interesting.

Reegs: Mm-hmm.

Sidey: How about covers of songs?[00:18:00]

Reegs: Copies? Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: Jimi Hendrix did all along the Watchtower. That was can

Reegs: basically say everything by, bob Dylan is kind of better by someone else.

Sidey: He then started playing it the way Hendricks did after, but I wager probably not as good at the guitar.

Aretha, frankly. And R-E-S-P-C-T. Originally done by Otis Reading. We just talked about this, the bodyguard. Whitney Houston. I will always love shoes. Originally by

Dolly Parton. Oh,

Yeah.

Reegs: Oh yeah.

Sidey: Johnny Cash's Hurt that was originally nine inch. Nails. Nails, and then produced that. His one was produced by Trent Renard, wasn't it?

Acknowledged, I think even by Trent Renard to be the, the definitive version. Soft sales. Tainted love.

Dan: Tainted love

Sidey: Jones originally.

Mm-hmm.

Do you remember Gary Jules?

Reegs: from Run the Jewels?

Sidey: He did Madwell, the version of tears For Fierce. It was a Donny Darko soundtrack. And I've got Limp Bizkit [00:19:00] my favorite band because they, they did a cover of Behind Blue Eyes, which is by the who? I actually don't fucking like the who either. And Madonna,

Reegs: you don't like covering a band you don't like. Nice.

Sidey: And Madonna did American Pie, remember that? Yeah. Don McLean originally.

Yeah. I've got millions of these ones that actually appear in films. School of Rock. It's a long way to the top if you want to rock and unroll. Yeah. Originally by

Act Duck, A CDC. And star is Born. I'm gonna see this the specimen in a few weeks. LA Oh, nice. Lavie on Rose. Lady Gaga covering.

Edith Pf.

Cris: Pf, Yeah.

A DPF.

Sidey: Yeah.

And then I've, my nomination is gonna be a song as

Reegs: All right. Are we, were we around about that time?

Cris: are close to that. The only thing I've got left is I, I, I dunno if I can take this, but films with actors that

Sidey: heard. You can take anything, Chris?

Cris: Yeah, well, I

Dan: and frequently it

does. I'm

Cris: like Genghis Khan.

The Romanian, Genghis Khan I, [00:20:00] a movie that is, is with an actor that has done once and then they just changed slightly. But it's the same movie but with the same actor, but they just name it differently and they put him in a different location. The best example

Sidey: sta

Cris: I've got Statham and I've got Liam Neeson.

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: Since Taken and since the transporter, they've basically done the same thing, but just in every, every movie they've been in.

Sidey: What did I see on Netflix? Was the Nissan one? Is it Ice Road Revenge or something?

Reegs: It's like Ice Road Truckers, but

Cris: so, so basically everything that is is an action movie.

But so, so

Sidey: so interchangeable. Yeah. These

Cris: two, I don't have a proper list with them because this, I think we've all, if you've seen one, we've kind of seen all of them, you know? Exactly. And we were talking about this when we did the last Sta film that, or when we watched The Working Man or whatever, where it's just everything is all the same.

They just kind of change his name.

Sidey: It's just completely generic.

Cris: And[00:21:00]

he's not a driver. He's a truck driver. He's in construction. He's not a hunter. He's, but they're all kind of the same, same

Reegs: Copy, paste.

Cris: Copy C. Can I take that?

Sidey: Yes.

Reegs: it. Thank you.

Dan: Do you what I ly put together? Quiz?

Sidey: Can do I also have a quiz

Dan: Oh, let's go Yours then. Yeah. Yeah.

Sidey: Because mine wasn't hastily put together. No.

Dan: there you go.

Reegs: You've

got your,

your noms to do, Dan.

Dan: I've, I still gonna choose it now. Yeah. Do you want me to get

it's, it is tough. I think it will probably be based on Which is the Bollywood film based on six men in Los Angeles. Wrongly targeted by police, which is just a huge rip off of Reservoir

Sidey: Dogs, yeah. Wrongly targeted by police.

Dan: Yeah. Well, apparently

Reegs: I just got an honorable mention for the Fallen Madonna with the big

Sidey: yeah.

Reegs: from a lower low, which was a forged paint, a painting that was forged and reforged multiple times and lost.

But I'm going to put in Sheer Leber who's a pretty [00:22:00] strange guy and no stranger to plagiarism. In 2013, he had to issue an apology after being accused by comic book writer Daniel close of using his work uncredited in his short film, lifting Wholesale Bits of Dialogue in a in his film that was at Cannes.

That was bad enough. But Lebert angered everybody or the beef as we like to call him because his apology note was plagiarized from a Yahoo Answers. Yeah. And he yeah. So he

Sidey: he was on John Bernal's podcast. Did you see any of that?

Reegs: did not.

Sidey: He was,

he was trying to be contrite about everything and just saying, yeah, I've been a fucking douche and all this sort of shit and trying to make amends for everything.

And you're like, okay, but you fucking brick. But I,

Reegs: a strange guy. A really strange guy. Yeah. But good actor though.

Dan: He is a good actor. Yeah.

Sidey: Peanut butter Falcon was really, really good.

Reegs: It was so yeah. Sheer the birth. She had the beef.

Sidey: Honorable mention [00:23:00] for Alien Ant Farms cover of Smooth Criminal. Yeah. I mean, if anyone deserves to have cancer, it's them. But I'm gonna go for Jeff Buckley's cover of Hallelujah by Leonard

Reegs: Yeah. Which

Dan: Hallelu

Sidey: timer and it appears in Shrek the movie, the first movie. A lot

Reegs: A lot of films, to be fair.

Sidey: It's in, but that's the one I always remember it from. Yeah.

There's also, I think a week or two ago there was a documentary about Jeff Buckley out. I forget what it's called, but it would definitely be

Cris: Buckles.

Sidey: Mm.

Reegs: Buckle up.

Cris: My norm for this week's podcast for a copy is William Defoe in the Antichrist or

Reegs: Yeah. Yeah.

Cris: Yeah.

Where he wear, he will wears a fake penis.

Reegs: He does,

No. It well, yeah, I dunno.

Cris: Director Larson Trier decided to share

Reegs: but he has got a massive schlong as well, though. Yeah. William Defoe. Yeah. He's got a

Sidey: can't wait to [00:24:00] explain the concept of this Christie

Dan: Well, there, there's

Reegs: well we should get

Dan: a lot of pin content. Yeah.

Sidey: there's gonna be a lot more in a minute. So just,

Cris: I'm just, I'm just saying according to the information I possessed, gathered from the internet.

Sidey: Right.

Cris: That was a

Reegs: So you are going for Willam Defoe's. Copy. PHUs in Antichrist.

Cris: per Yes. Am I, am I allowed to take that?

Reegs: Yeah, you should take

Dan: that. You take

Sidey: do you want a copy based quiz,

Reegs: please?

Sidey: Right. If you cast your mind back a week, we did a quiz and you had a description of a film. Mm-hmm. Then you had to give me the answer and the, because it's 50 50, right. So you can't just guess you need to gimme the name of the film as well. Yeah. Right. So we're having a similar this week. So the concept is does the film feature something to do with copying or does it contain full frontal male nudity?

It's called copy or floppy. Okay. You ready? Okay. I'll give you an example. We've talked about it already tonight. A lonely man on a lunar mining base [00:25:00] starts seeing himself uga.

Reegs: uga. That's copy and it's

Sidey: correct?

Right. So we're all strapped in. Ready? I need to hear your buzzer,

Dan: If

Reegs: uga.

Sidey: nice. So that, so scores are zero.

That was just an example. Just an

Dan: that was just an example. You're not in front there.

Sidey: I have some more wine before we

Reegs: start?

Sidey: this?

Cris: Are we there? We need to open a bottle.

Sidey: Let's not do that then. Right. A dumped composer heads to Hawaii to heal. Bears all in the first five

Reegs: minutes.

Cris: floppy. And

Sidey: And the film is,

Anyone know?

You're halfway right. You can have half a point.

Reegs: So semi you've got I what is it? Goes

Cris: a, a composer?

Sidey: Yeah.

Cris: I'm, I

Sidey: give you the actor. It's Jason Siegel.

Reegs: Oh. Forgetting Sarah Marshall. Bingo. Yeah,

Sidey: So that was a floppy two rival magicians battle for the ultimate illusion

Reegs: Ohga. [00:26:00] Chris,

Sidey: came from over here.

Cris: What's the other one? Not floppy, the other one. Copy. Copy The Prestige.

Sidey: Correct. Full point. A twisty. IRA romance thriller with one of the most famous I remember.

Reegs: This is floppy and it's, the, it's

Dan: a floppy hand

Reegs: Trans what's the film note? I, I, I was fucking gone, the name of it. Crying Game.

Sidey: Point to me, a young man forges his way into high society by impersonating and eventually replacing Oh,

Reegs: it's copy.

And it's Mr. Ripley. Talented

Sidey: Yes, it is. Vigo Mortenson's Mob.

Enforcer Fights Naked.

Dan: think it was

Cris: Oh, I think it was you Floppy.

Sidey: Yeah. And the film is,

Cris: is history of Violence.

Sidey: No, it's the other one. Promises. Correct.

Reegs: That is some good cock in that.

Sidey: Yeah. Michael Keaton plays a stressed husband. Who

Reegs: oh,

Dan: Oh,

Reegs: copy. Is that, is that you?

Dan: she,

Sidey: was

Cris: no, no. It was you.

Reegs: [00:27:00] copy. It's Multiplicity.

Sidey: Right.

Vincent

Galo. Gao.

Dan: Eh,

Sidey: It's, I'd be amazed if you get the name of this film.

Dan: it. It's

it's floppy

Brooklyn 66.

Sidey: no, no. Brown Bunny. Yes.

Cris: Oh,

Reegs: Chloe Sini gives him a

Dan: was it, was it floppy?

Cris: How did you get that? Jesus

Sidey: Christ. He loves Vincent College's Dick.

Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. Soon

Cris: Well, he, he, I've not seen his dick, but he's,

Reegs: well, you can do, if you watch the brown bunny.

Sidey: A replicant

Dan: eh, floppy, no

Reegs: No

Cris: copy.

Reegs: er copy

Dan: is alien

Reegs: Blade Runner.

Sidey: the Bladerunners. Yeah. Right. Chris, if you don't get this one, last V VRE is provocative. Deep dive.

Cris: It's floppy. Yeah. And it's the antichrist.

Sidey: Yeah. Or alternatively, you could have an Aaac volume one as well. Wolverine protects a young mutant girl.

Reegs: Oh girl, [00:28:00] that's copy.

Sidey: copy. Yes.

Reegs: And it's. The one, the

Sidey: one? Yes.

Yes. Logan. Yeah. Right. This is a real gift. It's just, you've gotta be quick with this one. Unemployed Sheffield lads become unlike Yeah.

Dan: eh.

It's it's floppy. Yeah. And it is the, the one where they take off all their clothes and

Sidey: It's not

Reegs: and they get into the,

Dan: they get into the full Monty.

Reegs: what they do.

Dan: I am on the score sheet. Come on.

Sidey: Jesse Eisenberg plays a Meek Office drone who meets his confident a luga.

Reegs: It's copy. And the movie is Enemy?

No, it's the movie is double.

Sidey: Yes.

Right. Last two. A wide eyed teen rises through the ranks of 1970s porn industry

Dan: eh, boogie Nights. Yeah. Floppy. Yeah,

Sidey: of course. It's, and black.

Dan: Eh,

it's floppy.

Sidey: No, sorry. I was just about to read, I was about to read the title. John Ham's character, [00:29:00] torments a Digital Consciousness copied from a real person.

Dan: Eh, black rain. I dunno. 'cause you said black.

Cris: I mean it's copy,

Dan: Ham.

Sidey: Yeah. And it's black.

Reegs: Oh, mirror. Is it me

Sidey: White. Christmas is the

Reegs: Me or,

Sidey: yeah, and I would think Boogie Nights you could probably have both. 'cause he does a cover of a song,

Dan: and floppy. Yeah.

Sidey: So you go, I think we're all winners in that one.

Cris: Def. Yeah,

Dan: I think the listeners are the real winners.

It's

Cris: it is fantastic.

Dan: well, welcome back everyone to another thrilling episode of Bad Dad's

Sidey: We already know what Riggs thinks about this one. Okay. Short as load in the intro.

Cris: Do we?

Dan: he did. He, he

Sidey: Maybe it was calling, maybe it was the double bluff.

Reegs: Who

Cris: Yeah, maybe

Dan: he's

Reegs: it was mostly 'cause I've been doing that thing where I compare inappropriately, but something that has some internal consistency.

But that's very difficult to do with a thing that's about serial killers and stuff. 'cause you don't find many children's TV programs or films about acrophobics or serial killers.

Sidey: Not

as many as you

Reegs: as many as you used to. Not as many as you hope.

Sidey: This is [00:30:00] 1995. Copycats. Yeah. Not any of the other ones.

Reegs: Directed by John Am Amiel.

He did the core.

Sidey: Okay. That was a real treat. That one. Sigourney.

Dan: at the time, I think, wasn't it?

Yeah.

Sidey: Sigourney's a kind of, like a profiler

Reegs: clinical forensic psychologist.

Dan: Yeah. And she's given a lecture about how serial killers are profiled and

Reegs: She's quite provocative. At first she says, well, what turns you on?

Is it beautiful legs? Is it a great body? Or whatever. And then she says, for a serial killer, it's the suffering and death of another human being.

Dan: Can

all the white men between

Sidey: Just know She starts with just blokes. All the blokes stand up. Yeah. And then she whittles it

Reegs: If you're under 20 or over 35, sit down If you are black or Asian, sit down.

And here you are, one of you a serial killer. And did you notice that he did in fact appear on

Sidey: screen? He's there. Yeah. Yeah. And she also catches a glimpse of Harry Connick Jr.

Reegs: Yeah. For some bizarre reason. He's cosplaying as c Clus from the Simpsons.[00:31:00]

Dan: Yeah.

Sidey: Yeah. 'cause he's like a crooner. So this would be him playing against type as a bad guy.

Dan: Big time. This was

Sidey: got a crooked tooth,

Dan: I think out.

Sidey: He's out of

Dan: This was at the time a bit of a departure. Well it was a huge departure from his, his usual singing croon, crony songs.

But you know, him being taken, because he did Memphis Bell as well. He'd been taken on a, a few different parts and a few different acting

Sidey: but she, she sees him in the crowd and then she's kind of double

Reegs: he makes a throat slitting

Sidey: gesture

Yeah. She kind of, and then he is not there.

Reegs: not there anymore.

Sidey: No.

Reegs: And she does manage to finish off the lecture and then

Sidey: she lists out a bunch of serial killers, which she does. Could be, although it's not obvious that it's gonna be a plot point, but it is. And she's doing the blah, blah, blah and she finishes off and then she's all

Reegs: needs her shit after that.

Basically it was a big lecture.

Sidey: town hall at work, I feel like I need to either get my numbers up or go for shit.

Reegs: Yeah. But they didn't

Dan: gloves and steam

Reegs: this point. But there is a serial killer on the loose [00:32:00] this Cullen guy that she has seen in the audience. Although, has she, hasn't she? So the copper does actually follow her to the bathroom.

Checks

Sidey: the stall.

Reegs: stalls. Yeah. Checks the stalls. Only sees women's feet in there. So assumes everything's all right. Says All right, love. You can have his shit or whatever. I'll wait for you outside, like Janna dropping deuces just before.

Sidey: Yeah. And it's gonna go really badly for her.

you because it's got an elaborate pulley system.

Reegs: well before that though, because this did amuse me, because you, the camera zooms in under the stools on a particular pair of black heels that somebody slips off and you'd think, oh, that's a man's feet.

But he has taken the trouble to shave his legs as well, which is nice of him. So it is Darryl Cullen. He's, he's really pulled one under the police there just by wearing a pair of high heels and

Dan: Shaving his legs

Reegs: shaving his legs and shaving his legs

Dan: and it shows what lovely legs he's got. But he uses those legs to great effect. 'cause he uses them to stand up while he is hanging

Sidey: That's what I use mine for as well.

Dan: toilet.

Reegs: He slips this like wire garrot over the [00:33:00] top of the toilet thing and around her neck and starts to hang her. He's off to one

Dan: the I like that. The fact that it wasn't string.

Yeah. You

know, because

Sidey: But you need something robust because it could go aw.

Right. Otherwise, and he, he sort of tantalizingly lets her just touch the Lucy.

Dan: timed,

it, you know, he's, he's obviously measured it to perfection because he's got a carabiner that he

Sidey: just. Oh, car being up.

Dan: and then he, he links that nicely.

Clips that on. Yeah. And and then just mocks her.

Sidey: She can just get her toes onto the loo to stop herself from

Dan: of her

Sidey: her whilst he, because the police cop comes in, doesn't it?

Reegs: One of the, the, one of the coppers has already had his throat slashed, I think, hasn't he?

And then the second one, he's like, shall I stick him or shoot him? Stick him or shoot him?

Sidey: Yeah, just both. And he spits on him like, I hate

Reegs: spits on him. He says, I hate cops. And then he, he runs the like scalpel or knife down the middle of his tongue,

Sidey: It's a big bow knife.

Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. And then we go back,

Sidey: no. Then we go 13 [00:34:00] months later

Reegs: future. Yeah. She wakes

Dan: go back forward in time.

Reegs: Forward

in time. Yeah.

Yeah.

Sidey: But we don't know, we don't know how, I assume just another police cop bust in

Dan: Yeah, no, it just

Sidey: but she's, she's now got some great internet stuff coming up, but she's in her apartment.

Dan: And she won't leave her apartment ever.

She is shit scared of going

Reegs: Why would you, to be fair, because her apartment is the kind that they only ever have in American movies. It's one of those fucking enormous penthouse bay

Sidey: of San Francisco.

Reegs: Yeah. And considering she's a reclusive shut in at this point, drinking and medicating herself to how she affords this magnificent

Sidey: whilst playing battle chess and

Reegs: a corresponding on the women's discussion forum. Ah, the nineties computer stuff is fucking

Dan: You've got male.

Sidey: So this was, you know, the outset of the internet going big, you know, and people, because it had been around, but I remember using God, Netscape and stuff at the time [00:35:00] and all that.

Reegs: I actually think some of this is remarkably prescient. The deep faking and stuff that he

Sidey: Yeah. But when, when they start talking about it. Yeah. Because, because she gets a message from someone, right. Saying

Is it after the first kill?

Reegs: No, it's bef Well, the,

Sidey: anyway, she get the internet stuff is when she gets a message from the, the killer with a photo of the girl.

Yeah. And her face becomes a skull and blah, blah blah. And

Reegs: that's on the second

Sidey: isn't. Yeah, it might be the second one. But then the, the police cops are there and, and they sort of narrator and he goes, he's hacking her internet address, which I'm fucking l at. But yeah, that isn't actually the first victim.

The first victim. We'll

Reegs: well, we get introduced to the detectives first.

Yeah. Ruben and MJ Moynihan. That's Dermo Mulroney

Dan: and Holly Hunter

Reegs: Dermot, the, the character Ruben, he's a kind of, he wears a real nice suit and extravagant ties. He's not your normal cop. And she's

Cris: extravagant or just shit ties? I, I don't,

Sidey: well, he's, he's, I think they're portraying him as being like, pretty [00:36:00]

Reegs: smooth

and suave.

Yeah. They, they

Dan: you don't get,

Reegs: of calling it, yeah, you wouldn't wear it now, but it was the

nineties.

Dan: get those ties from Kmart.

Reegs: No, exactly. They move through this training course, don't they? And he, it ends in a shooting range and Reuben like, blows away the

target

Sidey: a full clip into the target,

She says, you've shredded it

Reegs: And she then shows him how to do it. Shoots the arm of one, three times. Three times. I thought you would literally blow his whole fucking arm off, but Yeah.

Sidey: She, she gives him a lecture about if you shoot him here Yeah. That'll you get control of the situation. They'll immediately drop the weapon. Yeah. And be in Ed. I wonder if that will,

Reegs: come.

Dan: And you're not, you're not, look, you're not looking at a, being sued by the family afterwards for

Sidey: although when it does come back, they do nicely, sort of subvert it

Reegs: a little bit. Yes, they do. And then that scene ends with her pointlessly firing a gun sideways.

Do

Cris: Yeah. Like a

Reegs: like she was a fucking gangster. Control.

Dan: But you, you definitely would do that. I, I guess if you're at shooting range, you would have a go at that. She was [00:37:00] 37, 38 years old in this movie. Holy. Yeah. She looks really good, didn't she?

She

does.

Reegs: And there's a lot of chemistry and flirtation. Yeah.

Even though I would figure that Holly Hunter is probably more into Sigourney Weaver, I would think, but

Sidey: he's keen on her though. Yeah. They talk about it in, in the film, don't they? They do. Yeah.

Reegs: So then we get the first, there's a, there's a sort of wave of murders starting, isn't it? Because the, the media are already at the scene of this,

Sidey: which is the first one. I forget, which

Reegs: The first one is the Susan Hart murder. It's the Boston Strangler. That's right. They find a woman in a bathtub.

Sidey: Something's missing from the crime scene.

Reegs: Yeah. The captain has pocketed the stocking because he didn't want that detail getting out too salacious and also wanted to have

Cris: a tug.

Dan: He wanted to tone down the serial killer vibes. 'cause he doesn't want his somebody. Yeah. He doesn't want hysteria. He doesn't want he knows that's not the first murder. It's the first one that we kind of see, but it's not the first one that's had that mo and he wants to take that out. And Holly Hunter's like, [00:38:00] what the fuck are you messing with the.

The, the scene, the, the scene for, because she gets that out of one of the policemen

Reegs: copper that was on duty.

Dan: Mike, I think it is. And she can tell, he ain't telling me the whole truth. And she goes back out and he goes, look, okay, the captain took this and she questions him and he says, well, this is why you didn't say serial killer.

I didn't say serial killer. Let's keep this on the low down. Because he does not want

Sidey: but they're gonna go and see Sigourney about

Reegs: Well that happens, right? First off, we get a few scenes of the killer, just his glasses reflected and. Cackling and I assumed he was wanking or throwing his shit at the door or whatever. So we get a few scenes of that. And then we go through a couple of, another few murders. There's an unnamed woman who's like sodomized and injected with window cleaner and all that sort of stuff.

And Sigourney Weaver actually phones them up to say, you know, these cases are connected. Right. And they, when they start to dig into it, because they, it's a media circus. They've had people come in claiming credit [00:39:00] for it, who it's all bullshit.

Sidey: they don't take her seriously.

Reegs: They don't take her seriously. But then she hangs up and they trace her call and they're like, okay, this is a forensic psychologist.

Maybe she has got something. So they go to her place. 'cause obviously she's a shut in and we've seen, she's such a shut in. She literally cannot open her front door, like she has to get a newspaper to, she uses a broom to get it,

Sidey: Yeah. Jeez.

Reegs: go out of her flat. So they go to her flat and more stuff happens.

We meet Andy, her

Sidey: gay roommate or just guy that comes around for a bit,

Reegs: Sky assistant or something. Fuck knows. But he, you know, 'cause she's getting slaughtered the whole time. Like she wakes up and pops pills and drinks brandy and that sort of thing. So he

immediately, sees? Like this serial killer can get her thirst for life back, if she gets going.

Sidey: So she immediately, Brenda is shown the picture of the crime scene says, oh like the stocking is missing or, yeah. And, and they're like, look at it. And she goes, it's Boston Strain.[00:40:00]

She's got, she calls up the, the fo from the original crime scene. It's like, look, it's fucking exactly the same. Yeah. That's when they get, she gets the, the video is is of that crime scene and then he animates the corpse Yes. Going into the dancing girl, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. 'cause he's seen his next victim, a festival or

Dan: of, got some computer skills,

Sidey: it? Yeah.

Reegs: He's got some great skills. So yeah, he does taunt them by this video that you say that he sends. I think it, it's like you can only watch it once and then it scrambles itself or

Sidey: or something like that. Yeah. It's like a

Dan: self-destructs in.

Reegs: And yeah, it's, so there is another woman killed and left in the same position as the Hillside Strangler and also now the killer apparently gets in and out of Sig Weaver's a partner apartment essentially on a whim. Like she puts some clothes away. And then she goes for a shower and she comes back out and the red dress she was wearing in the beginning is laying on the bed and later they'll leave a fucking finger and a book and a load of

Cris: under the bed. Yeah.

Dan: [00:41:00] everywhere. Yeah. Yeah.

Reegs: So we get onto the last of the sort of copy Cutty, once the sun is Sam

Sidey: killing one in the car.

Reegs: Yeah. It's a gunshot wound to their head outside a petrol station. And they fight. She tells them to search for a note. 'cause obviously the original Berkovitz left a note at that scene.

But on that scene, on that note, is quite fittingly the lyrics to a police song. Murder by numbers.

Sidey: Yeah. They're, they don't understand why 'cause it doesn't fit the traditional mo of a serial killer. Yeah. To, to change between different.

Reegs: Yeah. So we are like nearly an hour in and they haven't figured out it's a copycat yet,

Sidey: but they sort of, they,

Reegs: and it's 49 minutes before we see the killer's face as

Sidey: But then

Cris: no,

we

see him in the

Reegs: see him at all of the murders in the background, but you

Cris: and also in the police station at,

Reegs: Yeah, I know. But you have to know that you're looking at, it's more like Easter eggs. He's completely revealed to you. Like nearly an hour into the movie.

At the same time as the police

Sidey: But they don't work

Reegs: [00:42:00] out, it's a copy cut. They

Sidey: They obviously know it's a copy gap, but they don't know why he's copying different murders until they posit the idea that he's, or they just reading her.

Reegs: It's right near the end of the

Dan: yeah,

Reegs: there. 'cause the Wikipedia summary brings us in, well, early into the discussion of what the plot is.

But this actually happens about

Dan: well, they, they, they, yeah, they,

Reegs: I think it's nearly after Reen. It's nearly,

Dan: they twig that from the lecture that she

Sidey: It's the order that she read them out,

Dan: at the

Sidey: talks about them. Yeah.

Dan: he's taken that order as the order to copy, to copy.

And he does all these gruesome mo murders.

Reegs: He gets in and outta the apartment. Helen is under threat sometimes and Reuben will go running to her and there'll be a bit of sexual chemistry between them as

Sidey: there's also some trouble in Chinatown. Because of why, but they're in the police station, all these people.

Reegs: And, Holly Hunter's ex-partner, Nicolette, he's left his gun unattended in his

Sidey: puts his gun in the drawer, but doesn't lock it.

What's

Dan: his name? He's been

Reegs: [00:43:00] Will Patton.

Dan: Bill Patton. Yeah. So he's done that amateur thing. He's put the gun next to like a badie in the drawer,

Sidey: have no idea what they've done. These people, they

Dan: hasn't actually locked it.

Reegs: These were just Chinese people as far as I could tell.

Dan: And then we are going to see right at the beginning why she should have just unloaded the whole clip

Sidey: Well, she does what it first it looks like a back 'cause the guy gets the gets the gun out the drawer. Yeah. And then Takes

Dan: Bill,

Reegs: Ruben.

Sidey: Yeah. As hostage. And he's screaming and shouting and he is sort of exiting the police station.

Dan: she's just coming in,

Sidey: she's just coming in and she's coming in from, she's

Reegs: she's just going through his shit again. Yeah.

Sidey: And he doesn't see her. 'cause he's, he's backing out that way and he's coming from her, from his left Yeah. Down the corridor. And she does the classic, you know, you shoot him in the shoulder and she nails it perfectly. Yeah. But dickhead partner who, they've got a bit, you know, they've, they're starting to get towards the romance side of it.

He reaches down and fucks it. Gets in the way. [00:44:00] Yeah. And mate.

Reegs: With his other hand,

Sidey: why he is on the floor and just shut to the

Reegs: oh mate. And I fucking piss myself laughing because he's holding a box of donuts. You

Sidey: see that? Yeah.

Reegs: So like the sad moment is the donuts tumbling out the box in slow motion. I was like, they've got to be taking the piss.

Dan: No, not the donuts. on

Sidey: it was super sad as well because he's dead and they've got the aftermath in the,

Reegs: I think we've actually slightly missed a bit where they sort of try and shoehorn a bit of silence of the Lambs in because they maybe later decided they wanted to try and sequel Lize this movie. So she has a a teams meeting with or a Zoom call with

Sidey: ahead of its time this film.

Reegs: What was his

Cris: it was Cullen Colin. Yeah.

And

Reegs: And he says that, oh

Cris: But it's also is that not the time when they were meant to go to her flat because something is

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: That was the time, right? When, when, ah, some someone's coming to your flat or they discovered something, but then Matey got [00:45:00] killed and Oh, sorry.

We didn't really

Sidey: yeah, because they, they make it that Cullen is the one, 'cause they've got his book, his book is the one that's

Dan: disciples,

Sidey: And he's the, he's the sort of like cult leader and all these, well, it turns out about the

Reegs: he was the one who delivered the, basically our killer from this movie delivered the Peter delivered Cullen's book.

Yeah. And disguised himself as this German serial killer, Peter Curtin. So they've got some sort of

Cris: relationship. The vibrating finger.

Reegs: the vibrating finger.

Dan: Well, he, he's a a fan, isn't he? He's a fan of Harry Come Jr. He, he's a bit of a crooner himself. And so he sees Harry Comic Jr. In, in jail. And he wants

Sidey: sticking with that name.

Dan: yeah, he he, he wants to to do that. Yeah, he wants to copy him.

Reegs: Yeah. We have also missed a bit. We can just catch up with it now. So the killer is Peter Foley, who has

a

Dan: Foley's.

Reegs: Axel

Cris: yeah.

Dan: Brother, yeah.

Cris: Cousin. His

Sidey: well. Brother from another mother. Yeah,

Cris: He is from Africa. This

Dan: [00:46:00] Axel Foley.

Reegs: His backstory is, has a nagging ill wife and a

Cris: is, that another mom?

Reegs: No, it was his wife. 'cause he, he goes, he he attends his wife upstairs. Yeah. 'cause they have a little kiss, don't they?

Cris: his mom

Dan: It was a confusing one, wasn't it? She was that kind of age. It could have been

Reegs: No, she was bedridden and Ill, I think was the thing.

And then he goes down

Cris: pretty sure that's the mom though.

Sidey: Well, either way. He's horny for her. But also it sends him into psychotic killing rage.

Dan: yeah,

Yeah. He goes down to his dungeon each night, his

Reegs: wk dungeon where he is, got all his paraphernalia out and the various

Cris: and that girl tied down.

Reegs: got a girl tied down there and all that.

But yeah, so eventually the police will get onto Foley because he makes some mistake, doesn't he? He eventually kills Andy.

Dan: Yeah. The, the gay

Sidey: He goes to the gay bar and leads witnesses. It's pretty sloppy that one.

Reegs: Yeah.

And he kills a guy. He's supposed to be in the mimicking who was it Dharma at this point?

Cris: Yeah,

Sidey: That, that's the, that's the, isn't it the gay one? He [00:47:00] cut, he cuts his head

Reegs: Yeah. But it's, no, he didn't use his Vic method at all. 'cause Dharma liked to strangle and

Sidey: I thought, no, no, I was saying Ted Bundy was the,

Dan: sort of head off. He got a, he got a

Sidey: the saw was

Dan: like a axle. Jim Duggan out there,

Sidey: Yeah.

So the, so she's gonna be the last victim, which I guess is the Ted Bundy one. 'cause he was a women killer, wasn't

Reegs: Well, that's what they think it's gonna be, isn't it? But then.

Sidey: He does the classic dressing up as a, he kills the policeman on guard. Yeah. And gets into her

Dan: was quite a smooth, smooth scene there actually, because she looks through the peep hole of the door and she sees Mike from the earlier scene. Yeah. And he's laughing with the other cop. But actually

Reegs: so it looks

Dan: other cop is our badie.

Reegs: Yeah. So he breaks in and takes her back to the toilet

Sidey: Yeah. He is gonna reenact that whole thing.

Reegs: So,

Dan: he's gonna copy it.

Sidey: He's already got the copy

He's already got the [00:48:00] dead policeman. And he is like, he strings her up in the red outfit again and he is like, where is his head?

Like, like this or like

Dan: takes a shoe off that is falling

Sidey: be just right.

Dan: It's gotta be perfect. Was he this way? Was he this way? And he, he's, he's moving the, the dead copper's head. But Holly Hunter is on the scene now. She knows what's going on

Sidey: Acrophobia has got a lot better.

Yeah. I suppose Adrenaline had probably kicked in

Dan: it.

It is kicked in a little bit. Although, yeah, she's still upset,

Cris: Still not great

Reegs: I think the idea was that she, because she's constantly reliving this, like, you know, because we get that from her dream at the beginning or whatever. So this, her apartment and this place are two places in her consciousness.

'cause as soon as she steps out of that, she gets that

Sidey: Vertigo

Reegs: thing again of

Sidey: it's just,

Cris: And then she runs up the stairs and goes to

Reegs: Well, hang on, hang on, hang on. She, first of all, she has to disarm him, doesn't she? Well, not

Sidey: disarm. Well, it kills, it kills Holly.

Hunter

Reegs: kills

in Verti commas. And then she distracts him by basically attempting to hang herself.

Yeah. To kind of ruin his, he's like, whoa, [00:49:00] whoa, whoa, whoa. This isn't what

Dan: he's copying. Yeah. He doesn't

Reegs: want, she's gonna ruin the copy.

Sidey: be just so he's got the scalpel down. He is sort of like taking off her outfit and.

Cutting through for some reason. Her

undergarment. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah,

Dan: just wants everything to be perfect, just like it was for

Sidey: bear's a sort of fight with Holly. It is Holly onto before he shoots her. Yeah, because the broken, the mirror gets broken and she stabs him in the

Reegs: him in the leg. And also when Holly Hunter came in, she opened that door and the disinfectant, or cleaner or whatever it is, come out, she sprays it in his eyes, doesn't she?

To get

Dan: So he's a little bit incapacitated as she Sigourney Weaver escapes onto the roof. He follows her out eventually though, and just about to,

Sidey: And she starts laughing.

She gets

Dan: she goes into

Sidey: hysteric mega loss.

Dan: like, oh, it doesn't, don't give a fuck. And he, he's like, you,

Reegs: she turns all snake bite on him.

Dan: Yeah.

She, she gives zero fuck and he's like,

on?

This isn't how [00:50:00] I, you know, this isn't the fear that I get off on. Yeah. This isn't what I'm after at all. And just as he gets all angry with it, Holly Hunter is back from the dead.

Sidey: She doesn't do it. She doesn't do the one to the shoulder this time.

Dan: No, no. She, she, well, she, she does take a, a couple of shot and he looks like he's about to raise his gun again, but she empties the, the

Sidey: stars of danger.

Reegs: You see two shots hit him in the face, so pretty decent.

Dan: And even then Sigourney Weaver kicks the gun out of his hand as she wanders back. which is always good

Reegs: So she's learned never to use the non-lethal approach again. Just always go

Dan: always go for kill, never. Nevermind. If somebody's daft enough to hold a gun.

Sidey: Then we, we are basically gonna go back to Darryl Cullen and the cricketer. Yeah. And he he's writing to his next

Dan: Yeah.

Reegs: Disciple. Yeah. And he's been, was it, is it this bit or was it earlier where he [00:51:00] was talking about he wanted to receive a pair of Helen's pants.

Sidey: squirrel.

Cris: it was before that. It was

Sidey: squirrel something, what he call

Reegs: squirrels. Yeah.

Cris: Squirrel covers

Sidey: they've

Dan: been promised to him for, for information that he gave them in the investigation.

Yeah. And he's promising them to the next disciple who he's kind of mentoring and saying, well, don't do it like the last guy. 'cause he got a bit too sure of himself. And he went off script a bit. You just stick to what you know. And and

Reegs: so the idea was he was pulling the strings all along. Yeah. And then we finished with about 40 seconds just of his face,

Sidey: which Yeah, like police squad when it freezes, but if it hasn't, and it's just like, well, this is awkward.

Yeah.

Dan: And

he licks in, he licks an envelope, like he licks the knife. And yeah, as you say, Cletus out of Simpson's to finish.

Sidey: Hey, Brande.

Reegs: Yeah,

Dan: it

Sidey: was amazing.

Dan: A pretty scary movie.

I thought, you know, it wasn't anything that [00:52:00] I wanted the kids to watch because straight away from the first moment. Sigourney Weaver's been hung in a toilet with a rather nasty looking you know, wire. It's not even string. It's, it's the kind of thing, you know, that she can't cut, nobody's gonna, you know, it,

Cris: cut that. Yeah.

Dan: It's

this is, you know, Nope.

Right out there. You, you, you know, not gonna, this is one I I can't watch in front of the kids. I wasn't sure where it was

Cris: getting. Yeah, this is not a family Sunday afternoon

Dan: It, it was, that's when I watched it. But had to be

Sidey: I thought Harry Connick Jr. Was gonna be more like it was gonna be him again.

Dan: He was hardly in it.

Sidey: I sort of felt like some of it, I think you like, added it later. I didn't know if it

Dan: was a bit like Peter Sellers

Reegs: had a lot of rewrites and they re-shot the ending

Sidey: Oh, did they? Right. Okay.

Dan: was a bit like Peter Sellers in our Pink Panther movie. For the midweek, it was hardly in.

Even though, yeah, I knew Harry [00:53:00] Come Jr was in this and Peter Sellers was in the other one.

Am I saying his name a little bit

Sidey: Mostly. Mostly

Reegs: No, I don't think so. It's perfect, I

think.

Dan: Yeah. Good.

Sidey: What did you think? You not a big fan of this?

Reegs: I didn't like this one very much. Like I, I think I said it in the intro, just, it reminded me of like, it was trying to be a bit Silence of the Lambs. It was trying to be a bit dressed to kill some of the, hitch, like rear window Hitchcock, but those are all much better directors than this guy and had a much better script.

And I found Sigourney Weaver a bit annoying in this constantly listening to opera. And not very believable

Dan: big stars in the day though, for this.

Reegs: I know. And I really like Sigourney Weaver as well. I just, not a lot of 'em to, to work with and this was no for me, I'm afraid.

Dan: Well, I would, I would be a strong recommend actually. 'cause I, I think it was pretty. On the edge of your seat, you know, you'd, it was easy enough to watch, you know, it wasn't anything too difficult in the plot to, [00:54:00] to follow, but it, it, there had a few scares in it and it was the thrills were there.

It

Reegs: but what about the guy, the serial killer himself?

Dan: you've, you've gotta let, you've got no, the, you've not, there's, there's lots wrong with it. Don't, you know, don't get me wrong. But it wasn't unwatchable. It was a long way from that. I thought it was quite a, you know, it was an action thriller kind of pace with a bit of horror.

Didn't really know what was going on. 'cause I don't think the film really knew what was going

Reegs: Yeah. And I think it was edited a bit confusingly in that respect as well.

Dan: and so it was difficult to choose what would happen next in the sense that, as I say, I don't think the film really knew what was gonna happen next, other than you could expect.

Sidey: the unexpected

Dan: Holly Hunter. Like, I never thought Holly Hunter was dead.

be, Yeah.

Sidey: knew it was gonna come out that door on the roof.

Dan: she's gonna, there's gonna be, but I never saw Sigourney Weaver pissing herself laughing right at the end, [00:55:00] Eva. And I think these actors all wanted their moment of, and their scenes and everything because they all quite big. You know, during that time there would've been big stars. I remember my brother met Harry Wick Jr. In in Sydney, Australia and got his war gr

Sidey: Nice. Yeah.

Did you enjoy this,

Dan: As a side?

Cris: This wasn't for me. I, I got really annoyed at one point when he

Dan: Too scary breaking

Cris: into the

Reegs: Yeah.

I did as well. I was like, seriously, how many times are we gonna do this?

Three times I

Cris: see the dress when he came in and I was like, okay, well someone's in the house and then you could see the shadow and whatever. And I'm like, there's only one entrance to this

Reegs: Yeah.

Cris: And there's a police every time. So,

Reegs: and we've already dealt with the fact that one police guy fucked it up, so how can they keep

Cris: and and then even the, the, the lesbian woman, what's her name? The little one? Yes. And, and she's like, oh, sorry about that. It, you, you [00:56:00] might get used to this. Or she, she almost brushes it over like, oh, well someone broke into your house while you had a security at the door. After that, I was just like, whatever happens in this film.

It is a bit when, when you see that it's like this, this is too much of a big hole for

Reegs: Yes,

It very, it was full of silly stuff

Dan: like that. The cop

Cris: stuff like that. To, to not, I dunno,

The

Dan: cop got pulled away because somebody's car alarm went off.

Reegs: Yeah, I know. But you can get right the first time you go, your, you go, all right, I'll suspend my disbelief for that.

The cop was outside and he was taken away, but then they'd have had an entire fucking SWAT team outside her

Dan: Would they though?

Reegs: Yes. He has explicitly said he's going. Well,

To be honest, in Trump's America, there's gonna be SWAT teams outside

Sidey: Yeah. Especially in San Francisco. I liked it. All those things that you've said about it are true, but it's mid nineties is a real sweet spot for me, and

Dan: yeah.

Sidey: like that.

So Gourney Weaver would state that she's most proud of her work in this film. In fact, she worked hard to portray the mindset of an acrophobic, and she regretted that the movie was [00:57:00] lost in a shuffle of thrillers at the time as not better remembered.

Cris: Well, did,

Sidey: Sigourney. And I agree this is a strong recommend

Dan: and I agree with you and Sigourney

Sidey: Mm,

Cris: medium to strong recommend

Reegs: dog

Dan: Wow.

Copy

Sidey: Week was strong.

Cris: Very

Sidey: Think

Dan: Week was strong.

Sidey: Might be background to

Dan: is it? Wow. Okay.

Sidey: Harry Ick Jr.

Dan: We'll, we'll see. We'll see. Maybe I will go with musicians and famous singers. But tune in same time, same place in this same universe next week

Cris: Or multiverse.

Sidey: It's all right. All that remains Is society signing out.

Dan: That's gone.

Reegs: The res train has left the station.