It was a tumultuous week in politics; forget Joe Biden's dramatic victory over some guy whose name I can't recall and cast your vote for the Bad Dads Top 5 Memorable Movie Politicians. There's nothing rigged about this election as we veer from fascinating portrayals of real life political figures to ridiculous comic caricatures - see if you can spot which is which.
This weeks movie review was the 2015 Sundance Film Festival darling Me & Earl & The Dying Girl. Jesse Andrews adapts his novel of the same name charting the journey of Greg Gaines, his co-worker Earl and Rachel, his former childhood friend who has been diagnosed with leukemia. This quirky indie coming of age movie features decent performances and the music of Brian Eno, so was sure to be a hit with the Dads wasn't it?
We finish up this week with a review of the almost impossibly charming Netflix series Clarence. Just like the eponymous hero, cast aside any and all cynicism and enjoy this heartwarming and honest account of childhood experiences.
Once again, thanks for listening and please do get in touch with us, annoying people on Twitter - @dads_film, on Facebook or even by carrier pigeon via baddadsjsy@gmail.com.
Until next time, we remain...
Bad Dads.
Me and Earl
Reegs: Welcome to bad Dad's film review the internationally renowned impossibly reviled movie and kids' TV review show Each week we discuss a movie we missed while we were too busy being dads to go to the movies And because we're forced to enjoy the things our children's watch We reviewed those things too with all the mad cap and mayhem that might suggest Here's the obligatory explicit content warning because we're often foul mouth fuckers And this is the caution that there will be massive spoilers because the vast majority of what we're watching is outside the official statute of limitations that applies to spoilers Now The listeners won't know this but last week how he told a joke during our Goldfinger mini review that was so funny I that this reeks actually fell off one of the man-cave chairs and cracked my head against concrete floor managing to render myself briefly unconscious This is completely true The joke which revolved around pointing out that the actress who played pussy galore and Goldfinger on a black man already has a name that could be a bond girl double entendre Didn't make it into the final edit chiefly because it was immediately followed by how he's howls vanquish at my untimely accident What happened next is all a bit of a blur to be honest But I do recall that it was Howie who helped me up right And how we who quite possibly showed the most immediate concern for my welfare
Howie: I saw you're vulnerable
Reegs: that moment of genuine and sincere care It gives me absolutely No great pleasure whatsoever to introduce Howie this week as a stupid idiotic dimwitted addle brain left-handed feeble-minded boneheaded nonsensical infant our blunt brain Purell and unenlightened bloated sack of protoplasm
Sidey: Are you left-handed
Howie: well I'm ambidextrous So one hand cradles the other
Reegs: we've also got
Sidey: hello
Dan: have you have you seen anything good this week Cause I've seen a couple of half decent Things this week I watched the truth seekers on
Sidey: I started it but I wasn't that enamored with
Dan: Well I was watching it with a boy and it was yeah Nick
Yeah Simon and foster Yeah But no Okay It wasn't their best stuff I think
Sidey: I've only watched episode one Is it worth cracking
Dan: I enjoyed it and I I enjoyed it cause I'd I'd watch it I'd watch it with as say my boy and it was it was a nice thing to watch together I don't know if I told you about my octopus teacher that I'd seen there
Howie: Yeah I've watched I've watched after that with the kids It's quite fascinating
Reegs: thought he was going to be a joke
Howie: No So Netflix kind of a high Def under the sea top of divers experience with an octopus that he befriends genuinely It's quite entrancing
Reegs: actually Sounds really
Dan: yeah
Howie: quite good Kids love it
Dan: it won all the big wildlife documentary
Howie: Best doctor person a supporting role
Dan: It was in many hands that made it work I watched last night a film called the last full measure Have you seen that one on on sky So it's about a True story of a Vietnam vet who well not a guy in Vietnam he died and his crew asking for him to get the medal
Howie: Yeah It's a true story though isn't it Yes Yeah
Dan: William H Pittson Berger I think his name was and he he was Pitt Yeah Pitsa he That was him and basically he was this area and a medic that dropped down into Avalon this kind of the worst ever maybe it wasn't long It was it was some kind of nightmare scenario of You know caught in a crossfire kind of shit going on And he saved 60 people before succumb into the fire himself and dying but they want it to boost his his metal
Sidey: But did you say in the news in the UK there's a guy selling his metals that he's been awarded and he's got it's the one down from the Victoria Cross I think it's the metal of gallantry or something like that And he he is supposed to have Dived on a grenade or reached out and got a grenade and chucked it back over to save those people And he's put it up for auction and they reckon it's going to go for 130 grand but then the rest of his battalion had gone This is all bullshit It was it was his own grenade Oh my gosh this is a little bit
Dan: If we can turn it into 130 grand he's done Okay Isn't he
Sidey: based off that along with the story I suppose deny till you die
Dan: Yeah well you know it's it's all crazy And th this this this whole you know a war story but being that it's a true one you know lots of people even when they said Oh you know I the guy that didn't go down with him because he stayed in the chopper he just full of guilt for the rest of his life You know when he saw him daddy he was like I was Pleased I was glad you know that it wasn't me and you know and it was like that And then so doesn't consider himself a hero for those perfectly human thoughts that you would have after seeing this bloodbath that you've just come in So shit and Brad that wasn't me I could you know but yeah it was it was decent Anyway It was a it was a nice one to watch
Sidey: We did Raiders of the lost Ark And I want to say one
Dan: new one Yeah
Sidey: Yeah I didn't let my daughter watch the end I did Pre-warn her You could watch some of those but I am not categorically Not letting you watch the end because it was far too
Reegs: The melting Nazis is quite a lot for a seven year old
Sidey: Yeah
Dan: I'll tell you what it's a lot for a seven year old as well The hollow if you watch it every single night when you get in and every morning because my youngest is just Blitz for like any Benj session would be proud of she is gone for a Mo but then she did get into bed the other night with us because she had a bit of a or a bit of a wobble in the in the dreams department So I said to her all you want to w as we said then they great for a Saturday morning maybe not great for a Thursday night
Howie: I'm still sadly watching the crown I'm really into this Yeah Yeah It's really funny Interesting It's just I've I've missed it by it must be 10 years old nearly
Sidey: It's
Howie: but yeah it's a I just find it really interesting
Reegs: really enjoyed your joke about Gillian Anderson and Margaret Thatcher and not fulfilling all of your sexual fantasies is
Howie: Yeah Yeah The Josephine doesn't listen to the pod yet So see what happens
Reegs: Can you just speak at a really posh accent and wear shoulder pads
Howie: And a massive bouffant does anyway
Dan: Now the the only other one that Chinese cat president movie chairman Meow she said now that segues nicely into her top five
Reegs: we did it was top five Top six Yeah Movies that killed the lead lead
Sidey: Yeah
Reegs: I've got a couple of nominations here Shall I read them out We had on Twitter we had D dog came up with Braveheart I can't remember it I think we
Howie: We did chat about that one Yeah
Reegs: Popped darling had Titanic and Scarface Scarface That's a good one Chris Sutherland on Facebook had million dollar baby John Linton said It's a good shout John Lennon said the sixth sense and he said rogue one it was a brave decision when any other filmmaker could have taken the easy way out and engineered and escape which I think is a good point Yeah Did anybody else
Howie: Yeah how's that 83 is my stupid brother he is she mentioned did we talk about Ned stark Because game of Thrones was hyped as he was the main character And then obviously
Reegs: You're always worried when it should've been
Sidey: Yeah It doesn't survive very often
Howie: He was the main deal in all the traders to begin
Dan: Yeah I was
Howie: saying that game of Thrones did that with just about every lead character Invariably they died at some point or another
Reegs: Yeah Well the red wedding was you didn't see that coming I like the million dollar baby or rogue one shouts So I think they're both good shouts I liked the effort that went into the rogue one answer
Sidey: Rogue one Yeah And it was the best of all the new star Wars films
Reegs: I love that I saw it in the cinema two or three times It was really good
Sidey: Yeah It was red It was go for that
Reegs: All right Thanks John
Sidey: just a quick run down of what we chatted about this week eh Howie you nominated
Howie: So the film was the film was me Earl and the dying girl and the kid's cartoon was Clarence
Reegs: And what was the top five
Howie: Top five politicians in movies or sorry actors who've played politicians So we kind of we had a brief chat about the same way
Dan: Is it charged again
Sidey: it wasn't just memorable
Reegs: memorable movie politicians Did you purposefully pick that in the week of the Election or cause it seems like a great topic given you know very timely or was it just a massive accident Really lucky actually
Howie: I'd like to think it was probably a bit of both rather like my birth a bit of an accident but on purpose
Reegs: Yeah
Sidey: Cool Howie Do you want to lead the charge in our top movie posters
Howie: Yeah I'm going to go for now Originally just said Gary Oldman is Churchill and the darkest hour which is fantastic But since I started watching the crown there's John Lithgo who plays Winston Churchill as well So
Sidey: Wouldn't he be
Howie: it's really you'd say but he walks with a stoop and a bit of a hunchback a Notradame S And then Notre Dame But so where Gary Oldman is almost a Madame Tussauds Winston Churchill
Reegs: very
Howie: Yeah And it's like wow that is him And he's even yeah
Dan: that It's just
Reegs: I haven't actually
Howie: He's got he's got the full mannerisms he's got it's almost caricature It is that caricaturists does that do you know what I mean It's like OTT Yeah And it's but when you see the John lift go one it's kind of drawn back a bit but it's still like instantly that's Churchill
Reegs: Is he wearing a shed load of prosthetics and stuff to look like him Or are they
Howie: it goes not gone that way at all Lyft goes Just let's go rarely I mean he's he's obviously got a bit on I think just to age him slightly but it's not noticeable Yeah
Dan: go isn't it You know he's about eight foot nine give or take couple of feet
Howie: Contrasting but they both fulfill the the the description of what Churchill
Dan: yeah and I think Gary Oldman's version he's he's physically easier to resemble him He's obviously put on clothes and white and things for that But as you said the Manor is enjoy won an Academy award for it You know what I mean It was a
Howie: Just an intense film
Dan: it's a it's a really intense film and the the kind of pressure That someone would be on the in that position It just came across really well Cause he he he battles with all his own personal inner demons as well He was well known Now I'm in the black dog was in a yen and
Reegs: Yeah he was he was very depressed It
Dan: which wouldn't have been recognized in those days Like it
Howie: Oh huge champagne Brandy He had a bottle of bottler breakfast
Reegs: What's it Didn't he famously used to do his morning meeting in bed
Howie: sometimes in the bath as well
Dan: Oh yeah I mean he was yeah it was his mind that he knew he had to look off the and and to try to and whatever helped him get through that and get through the decisions he was going to make that day his habits and everything else helped to do that But yeah that's a good shout Good shout
Reegs: should we am I similarly high brow I've got president tug Benson from hot shots part D there's so many I mean he's just a fantastic character I can't remember the actor's name actually that's really annoying is I've just got two quotes that I had to read out a topper Harley introduces himself He says the president Benson He says no you're not I've seen him on TV He's an older man about my height and then He's addressing a room full of Japanese businessmen And he says it seems like only yesterday I was strafing your homes with machine gun fire begging you not to make such good cos And they were just two lines that you could pick out He's a very funny guy essentially the same character he plays in the air and maybe
Howie: Does he not get some toweling and go through his ears as well Yeah
Reegs: yeah yeah Just there were so many quotes and it just makes me laugh thinking about it
Dan: Well I've I've got a lot because we've just started So I'm gonna choose another one where the actor really got under the skin of the the guy which is Dick Cheney vice
Reegs: Oh
Dan: have you have you not seen vice So it's Christine bio playing former Vice president Dick Cheney and it's I will look at the life of Cheney and how he commanded So he bushes second in commands I'm bushed doesn't have a clue at least by this film He maybe literally he eats certainly not for a season political campaign such as Dick Cheney who was sat on the board of an oil company as an ad to be talked into doing it Didn't really fancy almost But then he started to get understanding of wait a minute I got to pretty much be left to do whatever I want to do here because Bush just wants to be the president You know he doesn't actually want to run anything Yeah Ages So I'm going to have all the power And he did And he ran with that and Christine bio was fantastic
Reegs: Yeah I did hear that It's one of those I wanted to see as well because I understand Dick Cheney was not a popular figure in
Dan: Well not with the Democrats I imagine with the Republicans he's he he was but this was I think I out Oscars he got nominated for you know what I mean He said he's a really strong film voice and yeah worth checking out Okay
Sidey: I'm gonna go for a film W this this bridges is the film and TV genres It's and you can have nearly any character from it It's in the lube or the thick of it But I have to go for a while It's not a politician per se He is pulling all the strings behind the scenes It's Malcolm Tucker played
Dan: Peter
Sidey: He is a swearing and insulting tour de force with gems such as he's as much use as the Mazi pan dildo I went to Spain went golfing with Stephen Hawking He lied about his handicap He's so dense that light bends around him
Reegs: I've used that on people at work
Sidey: Who was it The digital media training Myra Hindley He is Fucking
Dan: You have to be careful with political jokes Sometimes they get elected Yeah Yeah
Sidey: Yeah we can get that
Howie: Do you do you know the link that we have with our show
chief writer went to Moscow will Smith
Reegs: Well self
Howie: Smith
Reegs: Smith Oh yeah yeah
Howie: yeah yeah For us listeners It's not the fresh Prince of Bel-Air
Dan: I'd explain Colt And over
Howie: Yeah Will Smith Yes he was at Vic
Reegs: And he wrote in the
Howie: he's One of the co is a co-writer in the thick of
Reegs: really very funny
Dan: All right Genius
Sidey: Amazing If
Dan: So it was in the loop was the film And then the thick of it went into a series with the same characteristics
Sidey: you're about 30 seconds in and he says lubricated horse cock is if I American listeners have never seen it then just try and try and find it and watch it either I actually think the series but the series is longer So therefore it's better
Reegs: going to say James Gandolfini the late great
Sidey: they square off in the film He must have seen it and he asked him not to swear And it's fucking brilliant I don't wanna I don't want to spoil it but just try and seek out his genius
Howie: Right So I'm going for my next one is mad at the moment Sasha Baron Cohen in the dictator where he plays admirable at Admiral general Aladeen who's the dictator of I can never get with Deere It's a leadership style based upon King Jong IL ADR mane and Colonel Qaddafi He's one of the quotes I've got is don't worry I'm worried He is number one actor You don't win for why the golden gloves for nothing Yes you do Because you gave them to yourself My performance in Aladeen Jones and the temple of doom was outstanding I gave it a thumbs down Have you not seen my other firm You've got mail bomb Yes I've seen them all They're all terrible movies And his other comment was Oh Sama you go to the bathroom off to Sama He realized the true meaning of terrorism
Reegs: He has his own Olympic games Doesn't he Where he in a race He shoots a
Howie: yeah everyone's everyone's walking slower behind him so they don't beat him
Dan: Yeah
Reegs: It was a surprisingly sweet film actually
Sidey: I've got to say that
Reegs: It's okay
Howie: Yeah
Reegs: I've got part F documentary independence day has bill Pullman's president Whitmore piloting and FAA 18 fighter as part of the counter attack against the aliens
Howie: It was lucky I was lucky that he could fly them
Reegs: but the one I was going to choose was Kingsman the golden circle Anybody seen that movie The follow-up the disappointing
Sidey: I fucked you off after half an hour
Howie: when the U S
Reegs: Yeah The president of the United States he's actually played very well by Bruce Greenwood Who's a great actor he's willing to let millions of drug users around the world die just so he could say one the war on drugs including people that only tried a drug Once the people using marijuana for medicinal purposes children born addicted because their mothers used while they were pregnant yeah so he's a real piece of shit Yeah what can I say
Dan: there you go I've got downfall which is obviously Hitler's last days in the bunker and is crazy kind of attitude going even crazier it's a full-on heavy film that has been made up with so many jokes Now chest
Sidey: why that's why I've included it as
Dan: absolutely brilliant The means I've seen them for everything I've seen them for just so many different
Reegs: we had him for when there was a snow day here
Sidey: I was going to reference It It's my favorite one It's because of the local connection of it So funny
Dan: right When the when the Island just stops cause there's two snowflakes on the road
Sidey: something about we can get the gritter and he starts to lose his shit
Dan: He did they did one the other day when we have Jose with the spurs boys go through and everything was done It it was it was
Howie: there's one with Trump and his boys as well
Dan: Yeah sure Yeah So that but the actual film is it's fantastic And is it Bruno Ganz that plays Hitler The actor
Howie: I was going to say what acting roles are available for him because he does I know it's the mustache that adds about 90% of whatever Hitler looks
Dan: mean if you
Howie: he bloody looks like it It doesn't matter
Dan: got the four unhinged funeral look you know when he's he Spit in and you know he's losing it is scary It's scary I mean he's he's intimidate in these top generals and things and you know all the people are in there in the hallway listening and I can hear him shout and swearing and the writing's on the wall but Yeah That's
Reegs: that movie is basically sort of been ruined by the fact that it's become so memorable hasn't it Or at least that scene
Dan: Yeah yeah No
Sidey: I think I'd seen that for that scene three or four times before I saw the film Yeah It's one of those it's ubiquitous Does it Me
Dan: easier
Sidey: Ben Kingsley Gandy
Dan: Ah yeah I had this one He blacked up for it
Sidey: I was going to say what do you think you'd get you wouldn't be able to do this Now these
Dan: know You want to ask him
Sidey: he'd won an Oscar It was nominate for 10 Oscars He won for best actor but I suspect these days this would be a
Dan: Although again he it it was a fun you know he won an Oscar It was obviously a fantastic performance and it was He looked like candy
Reegs: And I think I mean these days they were quite rightly argued that it's white washing and the you know wide not just cast a talented Indian actor to do it
Dan: Absolutely They I mean it's what they should have went to Delhi to film it You know what I mean They went to India to film It
Reegs: later
Sidey: was half a million extras for the funeral scene
Dan: Yeah
Reegs: a million
Sidey: That takes him
Dan: 8,000 in India you just asked somebody to come along and you will find a
Reegs: All along
Dan: half a million have turned up
Reegs: No that's true
Sidey: that they they pumped money into various charities and I asked people to come and do various things to get more involved
Dan: Right Oh we've even better Richard Attenborough Isn't it Well no Richard it was Richard of course Dickey Yeah it's a it's a fantastic film but yeah watching it through the eyes of A more modern viewer Now you would probably cringe a little bit at the fact that Kinsley's blacktop for
Howie: I'm going to go for Harrison folds You play games who plays president James Marshall and air force one which is a really a joy this phone with Gary Oldman as the Catholic stone villain And it He just so happens to have been a next Vietnam vet medal of honor winner and winner Yeah Well done First prize Congratulations it's got the scene at the end where I think the Kazakh air force or Kazakh terrorists have a like basically fire missiles air force one that's been hijacked that Harrison Ford's at the the helm or whatever the term is And so they have to do a mid F air mid-air refuel and it ends up with them firing a cable across from one plane to the other And they've got a like they've got they've got a cigar slide between the two And I think the guy who basically is the mole In the plane is one of the secret service but it's acting on behalf of the Kazakhs He goes down with the plane and it's got that classic sort of as you see the plane go down and all explodes but yeah
Reegs: that one at the amazing mace
Howie: But yeah I genuinely that's sort of film that appears on channel five on a Sunday afternoon and you can watch it and go yeah Do you know what That was an easy one to view but Gary Oldman's a good villain in it but it's that classic You're talk like this If you come from foreign union and it's all like what See a Harrison foods
Reegs: I I'm gonna volunteer the dead zone Johnny Smith played by Christopher Walken It served Based on the Stephen King Burke he shakes the hand of politician Greg Stilson and foresees he'll become president ordering a nuclear strike thus destroying the world I picked it because the actor is Martin sheen And of course this is all made much in retrospect by West wing view is who will have mainly known sheen as the wise and principled president Jed Bartlet from West wing but obviously he's played a complete maniac in a Stephen King adaptation opposite Christopher Walken in the eighties
Dan: Right I have not seen that And it leads into a choice of mine the American president 95 90 95 Phil Michael Douglas was the American president I think it was Annette Benning Yeah And it was directed by Bob Weiner but a script from Aaron Sorkin who went on obviously to do the West wing and a lot of the The same people I think the same crew when I loved the West wing I thought he was absolutely fantastic I've got a my I've order seasons down there in in the book case
Reegs: wear a watch in the newsroom which is Sorkin's followup If you like about
Dan: That's where bill Daniels Oh Jeff
Reegs: it's actually quite good It starts off a bit weak but it's it gets better and better
Dan: Oh I've watched some of it as well but I enjoyed the West wing I thought it was Really binge-worthy
Reegs: Go around you swept So you he did old neurotic
Sidey: like joke for one person I I'm going to go with frost Nixon Frank Langella skeletal fame plays tricky Dicky you guys are saying that one
Howie: No I haven't seen it but I know of it
Sidey: So it's after he's fucked off And it's before frost has really made it So one's trying to make his way back in and try and you know salvage his image a little bit Good luck and try trying to prove that he can make his way amongst the sort of heavyweights in terms of entry and people and that they just have yeah Is yeah And they just have their sort of Battle of who can get the upper hand and at one scene I don't remember exactly what he says Cause it's been a little while since I've seen it but there there are like a break and then coming back in fight Yeah And they'd talk and next to just waits to write for their backs go on And they're talking about it later his wife and he just goes did you fuck her Or something like that Some sort of comment really throws them in there And he's just completely flummoxed where they go back on and they just constantly have these exchanges It's a really good movie And obviously next is Memorable for a lot of reasons
Reegs: Yeah
Howie: Like the current incumbent or X to be from doing a search on the web as we all do just to try and get our memories back into gear And I have watched this film and I just remember clips from it And it's the campaign with will Ferrell and Zach Galifianakis and Zach Galifianakis plays Marty Huggins and we'll follow a place Cam Brady and Canberra is an a Senator that's been no no one standard against him for like five terms And at the very last moment Marty Huggins Zach Galifianakis his character stands against him and it's all about how desperate it gets And he starts to build a sort of a popular movement behind him but there are some fucking lines in this film And I did go into YouTube just to like watch them And one of them is sat at the table talking to his kids and he says right I'm going to be in the public I want you to all admit if you've done anything bad I want you to tell me what you've done And his kid goes he won't keep goes I once likes Stole a suite or something And then it cuts to the other kid He goes I went to the petting zoo and I let a goat lick my Wiener And it just the whole kitchen table just like what the fuck And the stories then get progressively worse round It was like a catalyst And he's like Oh my God Oh my God my God And then there's an infamous scene where they basically they go to a big events like a Your voters events and they both rushed to kiss the baby and California scares to kiss the baby and Pharell fucking throws a punch And it's in super slow-mo and californicus moves his head to one side and this baby gets a fucking massive fucking right uppercut in the chops And that it cuts to federal going Nope no one seems concerned about how much I hurt my hand that baby's head was made of iron or something If somebody like that
Sidey: Just to confirm it was welfare or land
Howie: Is that California kiss Is that the right one
Sidey: Broadly speaking
Howie: Oh you fuckers don't fit Don't pass out So yeah Yeah And there is a scene where he gets across bone in his leg and Wolfer falls down same black Hawk down and all the secret service guys jump on him and help him Yeah So that one's called the campaign It is quite funny Starring will Ferrell and some great guys in the hangover It looks a bit like rigs
Reegs: I get that all the time
mayor Larry Vaughn in yours
Howie: Oh yes
Reegs: he may have a point that the tourist straight from the beaches is the lifeblood of the town's economy but ordering them to be opened after being warned of the danger of attacks from man-eating sharks is
Sidey: Yeah I hate to be arguing against a lockdown
Reegs: He would be he
Howie: And anything anything that infringes upon his rights
Reegs: I wanted to nominate Godzilla the 1998 version Roland Emmerich's a masterpiece Yes principally because he so legendary movie reviewer Roger Ebert and he's always he's always true Emerick's films absolutely loads them so he cunningly names the incompetent mayor of New York city mayor Ebert yeah so get Zell You got him a good one
Howie: Say that the new Godzilla's coming out Hey God's got this God that was lost It was Godzilla versus King Kong
Reegs: Yeah And totally ed
Howie: So my my
Sidey: yet
Howie: what was the what
Reegs: King of the monsters is
Howie: is good Yeah it's really
Reegs: That will give you the super monster showdown you'd been
Sidey: the man in a suit versions too I see Yeah
Reegs: I think there's room for both
Sidey: Yeah he probably
Howie: you need to see shins shin Yes Matt Isn't it It's just about Japanese bureaucracy for like two hours
Dan: Aren't going to go with the last King of Scotland EDM in James McAvoy plays a
Reegs: Adeyemi
Dan: he doesn't in this one as far as forest Whitaker and another Oscar winner for this one it does seem to a lot of politicians because I've got another one here Lincoln Daniel Tyler's go And Oscar you play a politician you're getting an Oscar
Sidey: politician or a Holocaust movie You'll pretty much know don't just
Dan: They strong army and they Oscar seasons but I'm gonna go go for this one So he plays an James McAvoy plays Nicholas Goran who's mixed up in the reality of a human rights disaster in Uganda when IDI Amman was him Amen Amen
Howie: ADA man No
Dan: So the doctor Gary flies over to Uganda on a medical mission and he ends up getting hired by Eddie and his his personal physician and he thinks Oh this is actually a good guy really charismatic And it doesn't turn out that way anyway as becomes a
Reegs: more unhinged it
Dan: a he's a tyrant He doesn't want to let power slip away And and he's kind of lucky to get out of his his life But that was a that was a decent meal
Sidey: I've got the ambassador of Mars
Reegs: from Mars
Sidey: Mazda tax Yeah
Howie: filming
Reegs: I love it
Sidey: the ultimate rejection of handshake Hey Jack Nicholson is as the president extends the olive branch after there's been a bit of a mishap And he just whips out laser fucking welcome
Howie: two I've only got two left here but they're both of films that I've not seen And one of them I definitely want to see And the other I'll be interested in If any any book any of you guys have seen it The first one is Sean Penn in milk based on Harvey
Dan: saying that
Howie: which I've been told is fantastic but it's a hard watch
But yeah it's based on the life and death of the yeah
It was assassinated at the the end spoiler the other one now I've not heard of this but I had to read up about it and it looks like it could be quality trash And it's Reese Witherspoon in election with Matthew Broderick but I've been told it's really really good She is fucking evil Yeah And so
Dan: a satire of a college
Howie: it's a college presidential race Matthew Broderick hates our guts and resents everything that she stands for
Sidey: his face from American pies in at Chris Klein Is it that you had a brief moment of starting and then disappeared He's really good at it It's excellent You should check
Howie: Yeah it's a film It's on my list
Reegs: A couple more from me I've got to Keshee me E ki apologies for any mispronunciations here's 13 assassins movie Lord narrat Sugo the shoguns little brother who commits all manner of horrific atrocities yeah I also have president merkin muffly in dr Strangelove played amazingly by Peter Sellers obviously he's based him on Adelaide Stevenson who was a democratic nominee in 1956 my final one I was going to nominate is a movie I've talked about a few times on this part before and I think nobody else has seen it which is a bit annoying but it's in Idiocracy president Dwayne Elizondo mountain ju Herbert Camacho is a porn superstar and five-time ultimate SmackDown wrestling champion He's a strange mix of food and personality He lives in a future where the idiots have Outbred the intelligent people leaving only the morons to March and destroy the planet it's Mike judge he's obviously a complete more and more on by modern standards but he's likable and charismatic
Dan: There was a moment
Reegs: modern Mormon yeah he's a very good character in a very funny underrated film
Dan: Excellent well there's there's one here It doesn't it's a political movie All the president's men So Dustin Hoffman and Robert Redford they no it it I don't think it was Eastwood I think it is It's a it's a while back So I think it was probably before
Howie: 70
Dan: was really getting into directing in films
Sidey: era I think
Dan: but they both play Washington post journalists who break the Watergate
Reegs: Oh yeah of course Yeah
Dan: and then come kind of famous themselves Yeah
Sidey: We actually have to see him in it to him but he's influenced obviously runs large because of what the story is
Dan: It is
Sidey: I wanted to know normally just because he's such a fucking
Dan: it's a fantastic movie
Howie: Deep throat
Dan: Yes Yeah So it's very tense You know how how how they basis is nothing more than there's Whiting there You know they're putting it together but it's the the acting and the tension and that they can build up through It was
Howie: Car park drive chase
Dan: I've I've got Well Lincoln I'd I'd mentioned I've got a couple of jokes though for Paula politics jokes what's the difference between a flying pig and a politician The letter F yeah there you go what happens to a politician when you give them Viagra They grow taller Apparently molar Lewinsky didn't vote presidents leave a bad taste in her mouth
Howie: Current joke
Sidey: I got a couple of real life ones Kim Yong L team America world
Reegs: yeah And he was in the interview Was he as well or
Sidey: know I'm not seeing it Yeah incredible Probably the most realistic and accurate portrayal of a politician on film And also George w in Fahrenheit nine 11 I'm not huge fan of Michael Moore but
Howie: he's the sort of guy that pushed you over to get to the
Sidey: I remember watching it and the scene where you've just got a talking head of George Bush saying something we're going to smoke them out We're going to get 'em and then the camera pulls back He's on the golf course And he has now
Reegs: Now watch this
Sidey: watch this drive you know what the fuck And then they obviously got you've got the bit where his chief of staff comes in while he's reading to the kindergarten class Is that the second plane The second plane is just hit and I've never had he's completely paralyzed and flummoxed and just sort of sits there reading my pet goat Well You should probably get up and actually do something so very memorable but for all the wrong reasons And then just so I can get rid of the through the rest of my list we've got standards of Robert Kelly from X man effectively just a complete racist who becomes a mutant himself
Reegs: Does he die He
Sidey: he does he becomes a blob and it
Reegs: thing
Sidey: it just becomes a water Alan postcard from the new statesman who is played by Rick mal Who's an absolute hero He's a greedy dishonest devious lecherous ultra white ultra right wing
Howie: Well he's ultra white as well as the yeah
Sidey: which seems like a caricature but then you have modern day politics right It's the same as all too real And finally Senator Palpatine
Reegs: Yeah
Sidey: greatest diplomat of them all
Reegs: Yes Good list Good So what's everybody Are you going to pick
Dan: Oh well I'll just add in the last few that I've got primary colors Which was John Travolta playing a Congressman going through the primaries which is really decent film actually it's a kind of a fictionalized account of Clinton's 92 campaign Emma Thompson Billy Bob Thornton A ton of others that were in it that's pretty decent The motorcycle diaries
Reegs: Yeah I guess
Dan: So Gael Garcia Bernal stalls is Shay Guevara which is really Epic as he goes on a motor motorbike wide across South America
Reegs: is that a two-parter that night
Dan: and Charlie Wilson's war which was Tom Hanks he played the fame USA Congressman who buys basically armed the Afghan jihadists against the Russians which then came back to bite them Yeah yeah there's there was some really good choices I really liked These political movies to be honest And when they when they come out and they're the high drama ones there's been a few that maybe didn't fit in here because they weren't necessarily about politics Bit like all the president's men there that I I squeezed in not politicians but it was a political movie based on on events So choices choices gentlemen
Sidey: gone
Howie: my final choice So yeah my photo choices I'll go for Gary Oldman as Winston Churchill and the darkest hour
Sidey: Cool
Reegs: president tug Benson hotshots part day It's got to be
Dan: One other I didn't mention actually was Invictus Morgan Freeman played
Howie: Nelson Mandela
Dan: Mandela is worth a shout by Christian bio play in date Cheney I know you guys haven't seen it but I'm gonna suggest you do is a really good one
Sidey: forgot to mention death stolen
Dan: Now
Sidey: in it is memorable so I didn't want to sing them And now I am going to put in there though Marcom taco I can't have a
Dan: fantastic Yeah
Reegs: And let us know who you pick
Sidey: it's time for Howie his film nomination What we got
Howie: stress stress Don't be Brighton rock Don't be Brighton rock so my film nomination is me Earl and the dying girl which is currently showing on Netflix me and Earl and the dying girl is a 2015 American comedy drama film directed by Alfonso Gomez regional and written by Jesse Andrews based on Andrew's 2012 debut novel of the same name the film stars Thomas Mann Olivia Cooke who is in ready player one I think as possible Yeah As RJ silo and Jon Bernthal so it starts off with Greg Who's kind of in the equivalent of the UK six form senior spends most of his time with Earl his friend but regarded through her as his co-worker which is yeah it's very cooler He kind of sort of seminar rates this story it's got a kind of quirk to it It's almost like a diary and every so often you get titles at the bottom that says one day before or one day after or two day after three day after doom to friendship and things like that And it starts off with his mom giving him a load of shit because a friend of theirs Yeah that's the one who has leukemia and she for it I went and I look about it look into that So she's telling him that she's got to be friends he's got to go and make friends with her because she's got leukemia And I was like what's the connection And the connection is that I think that they're all Jewish and she used to attend is according to Wikipedia she would she attended his Hebrew classes as a child
Sidey: Okay Did you recognize her dad
Howie: My misses
Sidey: Connie Britton
Howie: Yeah
Sidey: I thought you might recognize her from one of your favorites
Howie: favorite TV show of all time
Sidey: the film Friday night lights and the TV series Friday night lights
Dan: why I've scratched her from
Howie: I remember Yeah no Josephine immediately My wife immediately went she's in Friday night lights down on love that and I went ah Christ So yeah so
Reegs: which one was the mum
Howie: mum his mum Yeah
Reegs: They they have a great interaction when she's telling him off And he eventually ends up with him like sliding along the floor in anguish basically Exactly As I could imagine a 17 year old doing or indeed my seven year old really funny
Howie: He's he's a very unique character in that he wants to pass through school without offending anybody and being kind of an every man but a nobody
Sidey: Huh
Dan: I like that Kind of a theme for him that you get those people at school that don't fit into any one group Cause he talks about you know the is there a league of nations or the canteen you know that it was all these different fractions of of different tribes If you like that would go
Sidey: done before though Sit in 10 things I hate about you Exactly the same I go through
Reegs: which is based on the taming of the
Dan: Yeah The heat ledger
Sidey: the goths the drama club and he says something as he walks past or the and then he says when Rachel is there with our friends that we don't know them at this point he was passing those same tests and he goes Oh yeah Another test though are those tests we get a flashback to
Reegs: later
Howie: really unfortunate one
Reegs: I was a bit of a floater
Sidey: Well
Reegs: it came to social groups at school I was a bit of a person who was not quite in any one group
Sidey: Yeah same probably
Reegs: Yeah everybody feels like that Then maybe that's what's relatable about it
Howie: Well yeah maybe maybe we were just not tragic enough to be totally unique and fixed in one idea Like we weren't a complete goth We weren't a complete stoner
Sidey: maybe it's more of an American thing Cause we didn't you know at our school you wore a uniform so you didn't have different styles and about a common scout on you
Dan: Laser and a hat
Sidey: yeah So I don't know Maybe it's because of that I don't know
Dan: You had uniform at your score posh goat
Sidey: primary school uniform was far superior to my second
Reegs: He can still get into it as well
Sidey: So
Reegs: so yeah we also have these like stop motion animation bits in the first sort of 20 or 30 seconds It launches into one he tells us in the self narration that this is a film about a girl who doesn't die
Howie: Yeah He's very firm about that I keep sort of saying I don't
Sidey: he mentioned it a couple of times Isn't it Yeah
Dan: specifically
Howie: And the animation does that firstly come in when the fit girl touches him Yeah
Sidey: Well he describes the interaction as I can't ever remember what animal it is now
Howie: Is it a moose moose squirrel Squirrel Yeah
Sidey: and yeah like you say every time she either talks to him or puts a hand on him he's just got this this hoof just whack whack whack
Dan: kind of fantastic Mr Fox animation comes up doesn't it
Howie: Yeah Greg despite protestations DISA goes over to see Rachel's goes over to Rachel's house to try and make friends of her And it is a hell of an awkward first encounter That's actually quite what it's it's a lot more funny than it First of all he knocks on the door and Rachael's alcoholic single mother I was like Whoa let's go there There's like she's like holding him up A bit too long and then running her hands through her hair whilst holding a glass of GNT it's good It's got a story to it Oh what a pick I've done there
Reegs: He like a bit of plot with your porn Obviously she she he makes some joke about she says she calls him a quiet little mouse or something He says Oh a modest mouse is obviously the name of a band but then every time she greets him she's sort of falling over him and calling him the modest mouse
Howie: They have she had eight she calls Rachel down and there's this really awkward first encounter where it neither of them truly wants to be in each other's company And eventually she agrees for him to come upstairs and they start talking about his pillow and he makes the first joke about I used to have a pillow like this And all I used to do was masturbate all over it And it's like well that's a conversation breaker
Sidey: She likes she likes his sort of quirky sense of humor Obviously she knows That it's a pity visit because that
Dan: Well it actually says it's not a positive visit I was made to come here by me by my mom And she said well that makes it even worse And he goes yeah kind of does
Sidey: Yeah But can we just hang out for a bit just so I can say I've done it basically and then they have yeah like you say they have this he oversharers when talking about this which becomes quite a key symbolic cushy in the film
Reegs: Yes he then reveals to her that he and the titular L Earl the odd pair had been making films before they were 10 and they've made 47 and all they're sort of they reminded me a little bit of Michelle Gondry's be kind
Howie: Yes yes Yeah definitely Yeah
Dan: And they idea behind each one they took a film That they like and made the title more stupid
Reegs: I've got a selected
Howie: Did you get it all well done because I was hoping one of you
Dan: eyes wide but was young
Reegs: and that to me if a burger gone with my wind Harry olden mod don't look now because the creepy ass to is about to kill you which I love don't look now as well I love that
Dan: sock work orange
Reegs: death in tennis
Howie: Two 48 cowboy
Reegs: that was very good Yeah Pooping Tom the S the seven seals and each of them is made in this sort of Quite actually quite decent production Yeah Lo-fi production where they've made the sets themselves but they've put some real effort into them It's a very charming moment If you like films you're going to obviously respond to these little vignettes
Dan: My dinner with Andre the giant
Reegs: 100 bros and wages of beer
Howie: I I think it's quite nice I've tried It's just the point where you kind of get a flashback as to how he's well friends but it caused him co-worker with Earl at this point where he says I I I try and I think this is the part
Sidey: when he first starts talking about him you get the flashback Devon's kids and his scary older brother with the mud dog chases him down the street And it seems that the older brother has never willing to kind of accept him He always tries to intimidate him on the porch all lives on the sort of Very close by but just on the wrong side of the tracks if you like it's a bit of a more what you said it's a dangerous neighborhood or it's a rougher neighborhood that he just said and it's a kind of unlikely friendship but I actually felt that Al was really tragically underused in this film
Reegs: Absolutely
Sidey: because he was by far the most interesting character I thought
Reegs: We barely found anything out about him apart from it he was kind of a caricature in terms of where he lived and how he spoke And he sort of he plays quite a pivotal role in the resolution of the plot which is almost quite unearned
Sidey: This the crux of the film is obviously the relationship between Greg and Rachel but something was going on with Oh and make sure as well but we never really got to see or explore
Dan: Well I was just a cool dude with an AC to cut through the bullshit and he'd be able to read people how this other you know Greg is awkward So a guy never was able to
Reegs: eight did also spend quite a lot of time saying have you got to go on those titties
Dan: Yeah It was a teenager Yeah yeah yeah
Howie: I noticed that I noticed throughout out of the two of him and Greg Earl actually was slightly physical with Rachel and that he would touch her or he would like just put his arm around or anything like that Whereas throughout I don't think at any point there was anything physical
Sidey: he kept on saying this is not a romantic story that there is no at this point you'd normally expect that to be an embrace in a case or whatever but they'd never is I think he was just he was afraid he had feelings for her He clearly had feelings for her in the sense that he dishes entire school year after he'd been accepted to college just to look after her So that was certainly a can actually
Howie: Whether
Sidey: or not I personally I felt like if that the circumstances were different than he would have Yes
Dan: well they seem to perfect couple didn't
Sidey: And I suppose to cut to the end he ditches the prom date to go and see her and gives her the corsage stuff So there was a connection there
Howie: I think it was if you want to get a sort of a bit sort of soppy about it he I don't think he actually loved that as a girlfriend I think he just had a true friendship And I think that's maybe what the film was hinting out that he was realizing Cause that's what a lot of the film is about the fact that he was distancing himself from anybody He wouldn't even call early his friend Yeah The coworker And he was just he was that sort of level of socially awkward that level of relationship afraid And although
Sidey: right I think he was afraid I know it says it says as much as he calls me his coworker because he's too afraid Sam his friend in case something happens gets rejected and he was just afraid of that rejection Someone not loving it back
Howie: and and he also said well what do you expect for someone who's main was it his main influence on his life is his dad who doesn't speak to anyone only as cat and his dad His dad is fucking brilliant
Sidey: Stephens
Reegs: Cat Stevens Yeah
Howie: when they do a family hug do we have to have him cats in it
Reegs: he makes the meat the most bizarre food
Howie: and his dad's just I didn't understand that his dad was a sociology professor with a tenure So what does that do mean
Reegs: It meant he sat around eating cereal a lot of the day and
Sidey: jumped jumped for life doing nothing Basically
Reegs: yeah
Howie: I
Reegs: Right So it felt the same as Both Well I certainly felt the same as you So ID about Greg and Rachel that I think if circumstances had been different they probably would have been a romantic connection but I enjoyed the fact that they never you know they explicitly state this isn't a romance There's not much
Sidey: but he did mislead you
Reegs: Yes
Sidey: And I I never bought that when he said I was like she's going to
Dan: I did because I wanted to believe it
Howie: It would have been nice but
Sidey: a cynic I thought I don't think she's gonna
Howie: it would have been
Sidey: so I guess that the story of progressive is by Her condition deteriorating so she announces that next week she's having treatment She's going to lose her hair And so the next time they meet in the film we see she she has lost her hair And obviously that's especially for maybe not but in my mind I think especially for a girl that'd be a very difficult thing And There's nothing Anyone can say to comfort her at that point He just needs to be there where they are But I think he's a bit uncomfortable about to be out It's difficult obviously for
Dan: Terribly Yes Terribly awkward Eh I mean you you quit you feel sometimes you know more awkward that he's in a position then you do bad for the girl Like you know cause she's she's actually quite positive and and takes everything in a stride even all this bad news she seems quite you know
Sidey: She says I'm not I'm not dying I'm just unwell Yeah I think maybe before she lost her she says that those things cheap but she starts to bring out the best in him So he's flummoxing around doesn't know what to do about college and she'd just point blank says right we're going to apply now She gets the laptop makes him do it So she's driving him forward Give him a bit of impetus because he's a bit of a slacker I guess Yeah Used to be drifted as good word for it
Howie: but at this point the Hottie that keeps ruining his mind asks him to make a film
Reegs: Cause she she's been watching the films and really enjoying them They've been helping her as part of her recovery from the
Dan: And they showed these films to no one there just for Earl and Greg aren't they but on condition she doesn't tell anyone He sh that they make her laugh So they he lets him watch her
Howie: but I think Erlin him just I think we just need rewind one bit There is quite a little funny scene in the middle where Al and Gregor in the history teacher's room which they use as a sort of a as a sort of a hideaway during lunchtimes and the history teachers eating some soup
Reegs: It's John bernfeld who I really like playing probably one of the most Jon Bernthal characters you'll ever get
Sidey: he sort of mentors them doesn't they seem they seem to hide out in his office
Reegs: Yes they approached they asked him for some of the soup don't they
Dan: English teacher
Howie: History history teacher And they try some of the soup without that He says no don't have any but he goes out of the room and and they end up fucking tripping out in class And it's just his eyes Bolger I think I'm on drugs I think of a drugs
Reegs: You see he keeps seeing like people dressed up in furry costumes There's a very funny scene where Earl is just chatting away to Rachel on the steps while they're eating a Ice cream or an ice lolly And he's just kind of staring really intently at the ice lolly
Dan: And then they obviously realize it was more likely to be the cookies
Howie: from the drug dealer
Dan: L fill pair or whatever it was
Reegs: he was a good character
Dan: that there was a few good characters in this as you would expect in a in a high school kind of movie with all these different tribal groups and everything And they never really explored too much Beyond the the two maybe characters the rest were all could have been developed a little bit more especially Oh
Sidey: definitely Oh
Reegs: definitely Oh of course this can't all continue sort of all happy The three of them and Greg do you have a falling out Am I jumping
Howie: too no no There's a fight in the
Sidey: they have a a thing dog and Oh actually categorically says we are done Our friendship is over which is I suppose what Greg's been fairing this rejection of people but just not being around for him and then following that he goes to see Rachel whereby she tells him this is now terminal and she's not accepting any more treatment for this which it's the best scene of the movie for me it's a completely static camera just on these two young actors as they deliver the most moving part of the film where he cannot accept that she's not going to try to survive But he's not he's not at any point willing to put himself into her shoes of the suffering and how awful the treatment is for her with probably no end in sight So
Reegs: is that the just after that they have the montage set to the big ship Brian Eno
Sidey: loads of
Reegs: But there's a particularly touching montage as he looks back over his relationship and it's set to the big ship I don't know if it's I think it's after I see you right It's a very strong scene in the movie
Dan: just up in our bedroom isn't it Yeah And
Reegs: So he takes this news really badly
Sidey: He says something and I can't remember the exact phrase something about just dead He says you know it's really he says something really definitive about death And she says Oh that's really nice And he's like fuck that was that was harsh And they say at this point
Dan: Oh it was it was something about you're quitting on college Oh you're quitting on life or something
Sidey: she's sort of nice I think the only thing you can do for me now is leave and he he does fuck off So at this point he's he's basically not getting the grades to get to college He's lost his best mate and his Friends Rachel is not going to make it at Bay for at the 48 So he's pretty
Reegs: he's also completely failed the year at school because he spent an entire year
Sidey: Yeah So many So he's not getting
Reegs: applied for college Yeah Yeah
Sidey: So he got he you see the email on his phone And so he he'd had the place and then they'd rescinded the place because he hadn't kept his grades up So he was a rock bottom but that his mother says Oh she's gotten back into hospital Which first he thinks is for treatment but she don't know She you know this is like palliative care now and that he has this huge brand where he reveals all this stuff that you know he's not going to get into coach So there's a lot of there's a lot of drama at this point I I was struggling to this point to be honest with Greg specifically my problem with this film whilst there was lots of stuff that I enjoyed in it My problem with it was Greg I found Ham to be all the things he described him as it's like the drifter the the no one but not funny but it just didn't there was nothing to hang your hopes over them or to
Dan: Very flaky
Howie: selfish
Sidey: yeah just I w I was at this point I was like I wish this had been more about Al or they'd been more about Greg that was likable or that you could root for him I just didn't really care about him I didn't really think any relationships with were worth it with him It was just it was just a
Reegs: I think that I don't know if I completely agree with that He spent a lot of time looking after her out of a genuine
Sidey: never
Reegs: love for her
Dan: No it skimmed over loads Didn't it It kind of
Sidey: they even just David just put her like locked down at rib and she was not in the film for a lot of it which I thought was a bit disappointing
Reegs: Yeah the way that the story was engineered around marginalizing probably the two most interesting characters in it in Earl and Rachel did a comedian as well so kind of troubled me that this story about her illness was really just a vehicle for him to discover I'm okay And I can you know she helps him get into School
Sidey: but saving on the title of the film the dying girl I mean that's all she's known as the
Dan: it's not like a close dying is it This is for anybody Wandering
Sidey: So I can't remember exactly what I say He's had a he basically has a fallout with the hot girl who I can't remember her name Was it McCain Madison
Howie: Yeah And then he has a fight with but he has a fight in the canteen with that drugs the drug dealer and Earl comes into more or less rescuing from it and they and they all get thrown out and the school principal tells all that I think Cause Because the drug drug Phil whatever his name is Sorry It'll fail It's been chucked out the school anyway There's nothing that they can really process It says basically well all of you get out Don't come back blah blah blah And then that's when Melissa comes up and shouts across the sort of the pavement why don't you come to the prom with me
Sidey: Well it had a falling out because she says where's this fucking film If you're working on it for ages and he wants it to be perfect and it's not he's
Howie: terrible It's all Vox pops
Sidey: happy with it And she says look just fucking finish it You know she's dying Just fucking finish the film and have everything done And to make up for that she I thought bizarrely says I'll come to prom with
Reegs: Yeah I didn't understand
Sidey: really get it I didn't really get her motivation back cause she wasn't gonna fuck him which is the whole point So what the hell So she must've fucked someone off To invite him And then he ditches out the last minute to go to the hospital I didn't even find that scene particularly moving I have to say
Howie: Well I was so convicted
Reegs: when he shows her the movie he didn't
Sidey: shit I thought out of all the ones that we see in the film that they'd made that was bollix just just fucking shape moving on the screen
Reegs: Well there was loads of different stuff though Wasn't there he'd been he was basically saying this is the the I tried to make this film and look at how many different ways I tried to make it and I still couldn't do it
Dan: what what I did like
Sidey: it rubbish
Dan: what I did like about that when he towards the white at the end of the film when he's had the recommendation from her To to get into college and everything He writes on the thing the last person to watch his film died So be warned be
Howie: Yeah It it the the the scene in the hospital where it's clear that she's unfortunately going to die and he sits next to her and watches the film Yeah I I found it very moving I just find it very moving with that before it was clear how ill she was I was convinced that he was just going to pop in and see her before she went to the You no I thought because because because she made it clear and he he made it clear throughout the film that this wasn't a romantic film And I was convinced that he was perhaps going to go in do a token listen blah blah blah His of course I was because you're not going to say I'm your friend blah blah blah I genuinely thought it was going to do that And then And then she would she would have said something along the lines of her true feelings sort of come out and his true feelings And I thought that was going to be it but it didn't turn out like that He basically sat next to her and as she started to kind of go it just turned into a and E or it was all like crazy for roar of people throwing people out And all you saw was her laying there with the with with the projection of the film going on on the on the wall
Reegs: desperately wanted to stay alive to see the rest of the movies she's basically like you say she's dying and she's I felt the same when I've watched twister actually
Sidey: it was played out to some more Brian Nino there was three tracks off another green world It's fucking palace I love it So that was good really like that And then we have They they called it something which I wasn't familiar with I would say
Howie: Shiva Shiva
Sidey: and he's outside He reconciles they have and I'll get back on track They they sort of worked things out and then the drunk mother comes down and hands Greg a book
Reegs: just one thing at the Shiva she's cremated And I have literally never met or heard of any Jew who has who gets cremated It's just not a thing that's supposed to happen in Judaism And even really you know lax Jewish people I don't think would like anybody who wasn't even really paying anything it was just sort of Jewish almost didn't name only would have still wouldn't have been cremated So I
Sidey: There's just no barrier Would it be traditional sort of
Reegs: it to be buried and it has to be varied within three
Howie: yeah It's really fast
Reegs: so it seemed a bit odd really
Sidey: Okay but going back to the story the mother of Rachel Hans have it I think it's the college guide isn't it
Howie: Yeah With the list of all the universities
Sidey: of all the you know there's colleges throughout the States and then when he opens it up it's been carved he's carved out but like Shawshank it's it's carved out There's a little scene of her Greg and I sat around and then I think he
Dan: in a classroom at school or something isn't it
Reegs: think it's the ice cream shop from the beginning
Howie: Yes because of the stairs Yeah
Sidey: Thank you Finds a couple of other ones doesn't they
Reegs: and not lots
Dan: In a room which are amazing
Reegs: She's quite the artist which we only find out if she's dying Although they she does have that quote He has that conversation with Jon Bernthal who's talking about was it his father that he was still discovering things about him
Howie: after he died and that's pivotal to the end scene Yeah
Reegs: And so yeah he discovered as well a number of squirrels that have been drawn
Howie: Cause they're wallpaper trees and he notes that at the start they
Reegs: And
Dan: Which is all a connection with her dad Yeah
Reegs: So it all sort of ties together We find out that she had a lot more hidden depths than we were exposed to over the film
Dan: which auto is a really nice way
Howie: It was nice to talk
Dan: about that The fact that you know there's so much you don't know about somebody and all the things you kind of wish you knew more of but that
Reegs: well anyway she's still alive
Dan: yeah
Howie: you're more than just an an obituary
Dan: Well yeah those memories and things that go on
Reegs: Yeah It was a
Sidey: Did you wonder if that was huge Jack man's real voice
Reegs: I'm pretty sure it
Howie: it was
Sidey: Yeah And the film was shot in chronological order
Reegs: Was it that's
Sidey: Which I imagined happens very very rarely but presumably they were going for the buildup of the relationship you know in real life And fact that to get that extra emotional punch at the end when she did away She went full method and actually did get leukemia for this
Reegs: Wow That is commitment Daniel Day Lewis making fucking shoes and
Howie: okay I see Hope Kansas You can fuck yourself
Reegs: So he also discovers that she has written him a note that explains that she submitted an application to the college on his behalf giving him a sort of reference
Sidey: Yeah I thought it was a letter Cause he'd already applied This was just a this is why his grades are so shit Yeah
Reegs: And so the movie culminates with him sort of having
Sidey: I think there's the mum say or did the note say you can help yourself to any of my stuff anything you want So he takes the pillow They've got the cushion rather from the very beginning and the
Reegs: show of his in blanking over it
Dan: Came to a sticky end Yeah
Reegs: no So yeah he takes the pillow He does eventually submit the movie which is kind of the movie that we've been watching sort of it's actually the movie that he shows Her in the hospital while she's passing away now while she's dying and he sends it off And by this point he sort of had an epiphany about being more connected being more in the
Sidey: world
Dan: I wonder if he sticks with the hot girls destroy your life That's just a fact that was one of his lines in there
Sidey: budget for this $8 million
Dan: boy Okay Can't see where it was all
Sidey: I was gonna say that seems they've got quite a lot for this film but do you reckon
Reegs: it looked nice though Didn't it Because the cinematographer was Chung Hoon Chung no Well he did old boy the handmaiden and Stoker if anybody's seen that as they're all beautiful looking films and I think you could see some of that influence particularly in the vignettes of the stories that you know the movies they were making
Sidey: but do you think it made any money
Howie: just
Reegs: Wasn't this the most expensive ever Sundance script or something or film the rights for it I think I think
Sidey: Don't know about that but it made 9.1 mil So I only made it mill at a bit but still made some money It's a Fox Searchlight pitcher Yeah I find them really good for the own quirky little thing
Reegs: When it came up I said it came up and I was like Oh this is Searchlight This is that's probably going to be really good then
Dan: one to look out for Yeah Okay
Sidey: so I guess let's ask the question How are you where are you not entertained
Reegs: It is a good film It's disappointing the way it falls prey to some really troubling cliches particularly around Earl and the sort of manic pixie girl that is Rachel who we never really understand what it's like to have leukemia or be going through this or anything from her perspective which would have been probably more interesting but it is there are really good performances and it is kind of funny and sad and everything in between So yes I did enjoy it but there were things that bothered me
Dan: well it tried to make me laugh and yeah Try to make me cry and it didn't do either but I did smile and I it did touch me It's certain parts as well I was closer to laugh than I was to to cry And to be honest it was quite a funny film There was a few really funny lines in it and scenes yeah some of the characters is slightly undeveloped but take it for what it is You know it's not gonna be the best film you're going to ever see but it entertained me certainly Yeah
Sidey: Yeah I would say for me there's parts of it I really liked that I thought were very well done Other parts just really frustrating I would have liked it so much more formality It would seem like my father most interesting character like you say rigs I thought Rachel herself was just really underplayed And for line section of the film was just boxed away and I've never seen so some good moments but bit of a mess bone parts for me
Kids TV We watched some of that too Howie What was it
Howie: Watch Clarence pretty great day with a girl And this is a quite old cartoon This is
Sidey: It's finished It's
Howie: Yeah It's finished its run which spoiler Gutted it's about this the show those seemingly idiotic is very good it tests the limits that other kids shows don't dare to cross For example one of the characters Jeff's parents are lesbian Couple Clarence's mother has a live in boyfriend called Chad who's quite music And if you've not watched any of the other episodes the guy the guy that is go go Sumo He has a family that lives in complete Horrific poverty with parents who don't pay attention to him because of all his other siblings before we talk about the episode so this show should be watched by kids cause it doesn't sugar coat real life like other shows can do And it shows that no matter how different your home life may be whether you are poor rich or an only child or surrounded by family we're not so different after all And we could all make peace and be friends That's the kind of thing but
Dan: that from this episode of
Howie: No I've watched too many of them so in this episode is the first one Clarence and the show's theme tune is I don't care what you're going to say I'm going to do what I want to do all day and it's
Reegs: possibly the most annoying intro music to any show I've ever seen but it's mercifully short So only about 10 seconds long So
Howie: starts with Clarence outside his house drinking water from a hose but from directly shoved down his throat
Sidey: some sort of mud
Howie: Yeah mud pyramid mud volcano covered in mud and this this this cuts out my kids laughing and they asked to watch more and more and more and they liked it
Reegs: Clarence needs a description
Howie: I can't yes
Sidey: He's well in terms of Clarence himself
Dan: is it
Howie: front teeth
Dan: pepper pig and Bart Simpson or something
Sidey: Is he's overweight is a chunky monkey he's he speaks slightly
Howie: Well cause his teeth are missing from the front
Reegs: He's got no ears Did you notice that it's got no ears
Howie: Well Belson's got a cock for a nose is best And one of it one of his enemies
Reegs: thought more sweet
Sidey: Yeah he does Yeah He certainly has a healthy appetite because the same way he makes like just going out for a couple of hours and he makes about a hundred sandwiches
Dan: but it makes him more when he finds out he's three hours they're going for
Howie: but the the whole episodes spins around a friend of his from school Amy who rocks up on her bike to go and go for a ride to find and is erotic
Sidey: but yeah so I learned something and I'm pretty hot on my
Dan: which is a S
Howie: Boulder
Dan: a huge stone that's in a different environment to where it should be
Howie: there was a particular scene when they do a bit of research on the internet that reminded me of my son when he's so obsessed by looking at something and he clearly needs to go for a piss and he and he's not He's like Oh my God Oh my God look there's another one he's holding I need to pee I need to pee Oh my God there's another one And his mum just goes Clarence go for a pee
Reegs: I wondered if he had some sort of bladder condition because there's two or three
Sidey: think it was just a normal kid thing of like too
Reegs: getting to the toilet
Dan: bit
Sidey: involved in what you're doing while they're
Reegs: but how old is Clarence How old
Sidey: This is about 10
Howie: he drank enough water to justify going for a pest constantly So I think that was fair
Sidey: is that Amy She put she said why don't you come with me And he says I can't my bikes
Howie: I'm waiting for we've got a bucket Christmas or
Sidey: she says you can just get my pegs And he looks at my like sparkle It's really good I love that
Howie: and I'm on the bike When he's standing on the back she system you can be the navigator yeah And they go off and all the animals as they go past the fences Hi Hi
Dan: is everyone
Reegs: He knows everyone does he there's a dog called grandpa and a cat called
Howie: Yeah Everyone likes him except Victor The cat And I I can't I don't think in this episode but you don't get to see Clarence his stepdad Chad
Sidey: No
Reegs: You did see him briefly when
Howie: Oh In the arcades In the
Reegs: says Chad and he kind of goes
Howie: he is amazing Is he's basically fills in for Clarence's or he's a stepdad but he's everything that Claris wants and he's he just looks after him And it's so funny
Reegs: They do actually bond over that Don't they Amy and Clarence because she says her parents are getting
Howie: Yeah And they're moving away or something she's got
Reegs: slate while I've got a stepdad you know very relatable real things expressed not in a more Kishor modeling way
Howie: He lets me jump on his back and around his neck and It's the things kids would say
Reegs: Whisky breath Yeah
Dan: So in this episode they go to this erratic a band of his mates Kind of see him going into the forest with a gal and they can't believe it What is this One of one of this crew is with a girl they're going to make out what is even making out I dunno but they're going to do it
Howie: And then when they like discredit Yemen bollocking him cause he's there watching him with this with Amy the other one starts going but girls have really nice hair and they smell really nice And they're really nice Oh yeah
Dan: Yeah there's that isn't And so they have this huge war from the bottom of the erratic to the top of the erotic where they're throwing Moss and pine codes At one point one of them actually hits the pine cone It hits Amy in the face and they will kind of stop and go Oh you know what It was all hyped up And it was all kind of really angry Everyone's going Oh that was bad man You shouldn't do that And she comes back with the attitude of kids didn't even hurt I really like that
Sidey: Clarence has taken the odd handful and just eating it
Reegs: D he then says I really need the toilet And then in the next scene there's water cascading down You think he Watts but it turns out it's using
Howie: I had my kids laughing out loud quite a lot and they I'm like Oh God And then it's over as quickly as it starts a seer that everything cool Yeah Bye
Reegs: I do like the fact that at the end he has a really civilized sip you know interactions sit down with the Burley's Belsen and
Dan: kids on the street aren't they you
Howie: They just said he opens up his bag I've got plenty of sandwiches Yeah
Dan: and they will tuck in and and they will still win or of him a little bit that he's been out with a girl all day where Clarence has Bolivia's to any Kind of special feeling
Howie: that's the thing that's the thing The innocence of the whole situation is maintained because they got are you you're really lucky Clarence You're really lucky And he goes yeah I've got loads of sandwiches
Reegs: yeah
Howie: and that's it And then it just goes it's just like what the
Dan: Cause what is it 20 minutes was it is not a 10
Sidey: 10
Howie: 11 minutes 11 minutes my kids massive fans I really liked it Clarence sees the good in everyone The other episodes as they go on there is one of his friends Jeff I think it's Jeff Who's got OCD and lives in a really expensive house And Belson's rich bully That is just everything he does is just unfortunate A cry for help and wants to be friends So they're all the bullies in that bit They're all friends The main character There is a fantastic episode involving action figure toys where Jeff the OCD kid is obsessed with watching some transformers program where all the transformers are Supreme court judges and they and he gets a dog called judge Biden w the one that's Ginsburg the one that's just passed away the Supreme Supreme court and Clarence breaks it And the whole episode is about Clara's trying to fix it and it is fucking horrendous th th the the best character apart from Chad is mole The lad who lives in poverty Yes sir
Reegs: He talks like he's got one of those things that throat cancer patients
Sidey: the
Reegs: those like fake voice
Howie: during the pine cone Fire is running around on his own somewhere in the corner Like there's always one
Reegs: Yeah Stylistically I felt At least in the sense of the backgrounds this was very reminiscent of something like family guy maybe
Sidey: There's this whole staple This is a cartoon network Thing originally so it's been picked up by Netflix but originally this was constant network and they have a whole gamut of these sort of shows So you've got amazing world of gumball uncle grandpa regular show Apollonian which we've reviewed before and adventure time
Reegs: as
Howie: I was going to say adventure time was the thing that I closely thought it was
Sidey: serious crisis person because I can't figure out if that matter of FEMA
Reegs: Skylar
Sidey: cause Skylar Paige who was a storyboard artist from adventure time
Reegs: Yeah He
Dan: there was a Skylar in
Reegs: of a scandal
Sidey: He has extreme bipolar disorder and also was sacked I believe
Reegs: but sexual
Sidey: sexual harassment or sexual assault I think it was not harassment or sexual assault so
Dan: that was Skylar
Sidey: Skylar did the the voice for Clarence
Dan: Because Skyla was a character in the regular show as well It was the girlfriend of one of the muscle man or something there was in that Did you ever see that in the regular
Sidey: Yeah So a few of them I I would
Reegs: Walt's wife's name in breaking bad Yeah I think it's different
Dan: it was around the time I was watching regular show that I'd first become aware of Clarence Actually
Sidey: I would go search through cartoon network but mainly for adventure time which is my fav love That would be a little bit less interested in the others but I never saw Clarence actually at the time
Dan: I really liked the animation actually the characters drawn in adventure time They were they were
Sidey: That's going to be a nomination coming up for
Reegs: I liked the animation in this they're really charming
Sidey: when you sent it through the still Harry of the episode to watch I was like Oh my God it looks really crude and rubbish but it wasn't a total It was great I really liked it The animation
Reegs: Yeah Clarence himself is just great Isn't he He's a really lovely affable nice
Dan: She is Yeah Not a bad bone in his body
Reegs: body No you're quite right He's very genuine and big hearted you
Dan: You need to look off the Clarence you've you've got that kind of feeling straight away that you want to You know even to the point where you need to go and tell them to use the toilet you know Yeah You have to look off the Clarence but he's yeah he's such a sweet person even when Maybe his friends went over Initially this gal comes down on the bike you know she's like Winnie Cooper out the one the
Howie: Oh yeah yeah yeah I see it Yeah
Dan: in and lights up the street and hi Clarence you know do you want to go out And he said now I've got a bike You know it's like he's making excuses not to go until as society pointed out they show the the the the stunt pegs and they go Whoa Yeah I'll I'll do it But I really liked this I'd seen it before not this episode but I it was a good one
Howie: there's some innocence around it that was genuine and not sickly sweet or being forced down your throat I because there's still a bit of menace about it That the my kids they were like they like the the pine cone fight And but they liked the fact that There was nobody there They liked the fact I think my car my oldest she kind of really doesn't like stuff where people get embarrassed or made to look stupid She is she really struggles with stuff like that
Reegs: Then she hated that bit and Dora in the movie where she like
Howie: Yeah It was dancing doing yes exactly It So she liked this because nobody was made made to look stupid No one was
Dan: But it did have that needle that that kind of child hood has sometimes with the pine cone fight and the bully you know
Reegs: It seems very truthful as it as an expression of childhood
Dan: And had all the innocence then and as you said they all sat down at the end of the day and ate sandwiches together and climates never really picked up on anybody's you know rude nurse saw or he doesn't
Howie: angle We doesn't get it Doesn't see an angle
Reegs: he sees the good in people I think you know
Dan: It's all a game to him
Sidey: You mentioned about Sumo and we died not seeing his GAF but I when I watched this I thought that currents looked like he was from a maybe low income kind of where suddenly it was from a broken we're not broken up but he's live with his mom and her partner and the yard everything just looked a mess And I thought that was quite nice that you don't often see that sort of thing in kid's TV where he was just accepted for who he was regardless of You know his background or where he was from and everyone just got on Although they had rival gangs and got into scrapes it was just normal kid
Howie: Yeah
Sidey: but presented in a really funny way I thought
Howie: There's no real vitriol in any of the
Yeah Foam favorite with my kids they laugh out loud They really enjoy it and it's quiet and it's a nice one that I can go Do you know what they're watching it There's nothing bad is going There's no backhoe There's no massive death death scene involving back
Dan: they're not ripping heads
Howie: yet
Dan: and no
Sidey: so overall then how he worked you and your family not entertained
Howie: as you
Sidey: race
Reegs: yeah I really liked this It was sort of innocent and optimistic and calm and honest And yeah this was really good
Dan: First time round with the boy He really enjoyed it He really liked it I was less enthusiastic but I'm if I can ever get my daughter off watching the hollow then I I'll recommend this to her and we'll see where it goes She I think she has seen it before as well And enjoy
Howie: just before side It gives his view at the end that the hollow my kids are fucking watching loads of that shit now as
Sidey: could only be about 16 episodes of that
Howie: Yeah but they bought you again
Sidey: there's 130 this so this is much
Reegs: how many there's like 40 in a season or
Sidey: Something like that only ran for four years I knew nothing about this Didn't know what to expect other than seeing that still that you sent through And I was kind of a bit like Oh God what's says I fucking loved it I thought it was absolutely fantastic Really really enjoyed it and we'll try it And Convinced my daughter to get involved
another week another podcast that was a lot of fun Dan you're going to nominate for us what we got
Dan: Isn't it Yeah Why Well are we going to go for a top five of Pharaoh books books on films films related to books
Sidey: That's the word
Dan: is the word so we're going to go top five There there's plenty to choose from is going to be a is going to be a tough week Say if you're listening to this one and you fancy send it in a few recommendations ahead of us getting that done
Reegs: We've actually already had some nominations for this week's
Dan: The one that I just
Reegs: no no that one I know Best movie politicians Who've already had some nominations
Sidey: Oh that's groovy We've got movie
Dan: I have a movie it's a movie that I would been looking forward to to see him for a little while because the amazing Richard E.
Grant is in it with Melissa McCarthy It's can you ever forgive me I'm not going to say more than that but other than that is Oscar nominated So he's got some pedigree our big that right up we will see the other thing that we've been watching in our house is bear Grylls adventure you versus wild
Howie: well
Sidey: don't make your
Reegs: wilds to be honest
Howie: you're in it
Dan: you are in it This is this is immersive And I'd like you to look at the first series I think is maybe one or two series but it's called myth of the abandoned mine That is the episode
Reegs: If I watched this with the kids am I going to end up having to take them outside somewhere to do
Dan: No
Howie: you have to abso absolutely the woods in your pants again,
Dan: you will need your remote.
Howie: Oh, right.
Turn it off.
Sidey: Well, I think that sounds very exciting. Okay. So. Keep listening. we're probably the most popular think podcast in the
Reegs: Yeah. Joe Rogan called and
Sidey: yeah, Joanne can suck my Dick
Reegs: we said, no, we're not
Howie: well, when they were doing the chart, somebody tweet it stopped the counts because it was embarrassing. We was getting so high up there. Yeah.
Sidey: So it's great to be the best, but we want to stay there.
So keep listening and keep subscribing and reviewing and, all that remains to say Sidey signing out.
Howie: how many goodbye.
Reegs: makes is gone.
Dan: dad's left.