25th Hour & Gargoyles

25th Hour

Cris: And if I'll put it out there, I'll just hire it and if anyone wants to come, honestly it was so good and you can jump. I think Catherine's a high tide is really cool

Dan: That's when you do it. I did it in, in February, March and April. I did the sauna. I did one for each of them. And then in February, going into the water, it was me and Gordon. And we, the high tide, we went down the slip.

Cris: Yeah.

Dan: Jumped in like oh you feel sick as a dog

Cris: inside, like

Dan: Yeah, yeah, like inside you it's like your insides want to go outside and they're all pushing and trying to get there And then you go into the sauna and it's so hot in there that you cannot stand it any longer and you Begging to be cold again, and you jump in the cold water and you think this is the worst mistake I've ever made And you get back into the story.

Oh, no, I Actually, it was a say that did it in February March April and each time I left there And I'm one of those people that feels the cold a lot

I was just down to a t shirt all for the rest of that day. It kind of just

Sidey: a call

Cris: It regulates,

Dan: core.

Cris: yeah. There's another one at Le Hoc, I think. or Le Rocky or somewhere

Dan: Yeah, there's one called Sandy

Cris: Yeah. That's the one down there at, out

Dan: good.

No, that's the sauna company. Sauna Society. Yeah, Sauna Society. And the one in did it at Half Day Par and also Elizabeth. Cause I went down there with my mum, the Elizabeth Castle one. It's called Sandy Toes. A girl I used to go to school with

actually.

Cris: Yeah, it was good though. So yeah, since then being underwater from now on I have to wear earplugs. I need to get some

Dan: Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

Cris: or one of those astronaut helmets.

Dan: those you just get like the the wax for the ears like, you know, and That like the plugs the

ears you get these kind of ear plug things and and you'll be

Cris: Right.

Okay.

Sidey: Welcome back to the bustling streets and the towering skylines of Bad Dads Film Review, where we navigate the cinematic avenues and back alleys of movies and TV. I'm your host, Sidey, not Riggs.

And today we're taking a bite out of the Big Apple itself with a focus on New York City's most iconic landmarks in film. Joining me on this urban adventure are just two of the finest co hosts ever to hail a cab in Times Square. We have Chris, the man who likes his films like his commutes, short and to the point.

With his sharp wit and even sharper insights, he's ready to guide us through the city that never sleeps. And there's Dan, our wise elder with a treasure trove of movie lore as deep as the subways of Manhattan.

Dan: You said back passage.

Sidey: Lol. Today, we're kicking things off with our top five New York landmarks in film, from the Empire State Building to the Brooklyn Bridge, celebrating the iconic spots that have set the scene for some of cinema's most memorable films.

moments. Then we'll take a dive into the gritty and powerful narrative of 25th Hour, a film that captures the raw essence of post 911 New York City with a story that's as compelling as the city itself. And for a dose of animated nostalgia we'll swing over to Gargoyles, the Beloved tv series that Brought the stone guardians of manhattan to life in ways We never imagined if you thought that new york was just about skyscrapers and subways think again As we journey through the city's landmarks.

Remember our discussions are as lively and unpredictable as a new york city street performer So grab your bagels find a comfy spot and let's get into it

Dan: Well,

Cris: it on!

Dan: it on. Thank you for that.

Sidey: thank you you will be

Dan: how's your week been?

Sidey: It was good. I was away for a bit of it. I went to Scotland.

Cris: Oh, I thought you were, I thought you might have gone to New York, but no, you

Sidey: I've been,

Cris: for the

Sidey: been to New York many times, but this time it was Scotland, really. No, I went to Scotland as a teenager, but it was the first time since then.

Dan: a

Sidey: For the golf, yeah, I played golf, watched golf.

It's definitely a sport to

Dan: golf, watched golf, definitely sports.

Sidey: Played alright, actually. Played okay. Had to hire clubs and played alright. But watching, it's not, it's not a great one to watch. Like at the venues, bare on the telly. We

Dan: we talked about that. You know, the telly, they'll cut to whoever's doing

Sidey: There's a lot of waiting.

A lot of waiting

Dan: in the day, you're, you're just waiting.

Sidey: Yeah. But still, it was nice to be away and we did a lot of drinking,

No Socializing,

A lot of Socializing.

Dan: On Saturday evening

Cris: working on Saturday evening at a local restaurant here where I do the bar work on the weekends and I'm probably gonna do a lot more from now on until the end of this until the end of August because I'm gonna have still a bit of time off while we're waiting to set up our business. But not too much socializing.

I have seen Pete though, Pete and his numerous children,

Dan: of Kilimanjaro.

Cris: king of the conqueror of Kilimanjaro. And he said it was more difficult than he anticipated. I think,

Dan: Okay, I'll be interested. I haven't caught up with him yet. I imagine

Cris: he looks good though. I have to say, I, I did look at him and he looks good. He looks, I don't know what was wrong with his hair or something. He looked very blonde.

Sidey: Really?

Cris: Yeah, he looks quite blonde, but he looks good. I'll my hat's off to him. He looks good.

So fair play to him

Dan: That's nice. dear.

Well I've, I have friends over I've some Swiss friends, David and Sarah with their lovely children, Ilio and Lena.

We may have his guest voice later if we can talk him into

Sidey: What

Dan: describing what Gargoyle was like for him. But I have been relatively then off the television,

Sidey: yeah, I didn't watch

Dan: No, I, I, I got our homework

Sidey: We had to postpone because your friends here because you had various other things. We had to postpone a day recording, which meant that I could actually watch the stuff because whilst I was away, I didn't watch anything. So it gave me an extra day to catch up. So I have managed to cram in all the stuff for today, but nothing else.

Dan: nothing else. No, that's right. But it was a full week and I enjoyed what we saw. And also the landmarks of New York, which is going to be our top five. It, it brings up quite a lot of memories of films that I've watched and places that I've been.

so

Sidey: What should we get

Cris: was what I was going to ask, sorry to interrupt, but you both have been to New York.

Dan: Yeah,

Sidey: I've been out four or five times, yeah.

Oh,

Cris: right, nice. Okay. I've not been yet.

Dan: Well you'll get there

Cris: is a shame, but

Sidey: Well, should we start talking about landmarks then? Yeah.

Dan: let's do it. Skid marks,

Sidey: right?

So when you get to New York,

Dan: New Walk,

Sidey: will be presented even before you get there because you've got to drive to it. If you go to JFK certainly and

Cris: well that's potentially a, a,

Dan: even newer Newark and

Sidey: to go across a bridge to get because it's an island you've got to get

Dan: the

Sidey: so you'll see you could just see stuff straight away and you're like it's right there it is and then when you're all up in it I remember the first time I went it was with It was a lads trip, we were going to see, Michael Jordan.

it was his last year of basketball.

We went to Madison Square Garden to see Jordan play for the Wizards at the time against the Knicks. But we were staying really central in this fairly like crappy hotel and my mate was like, well, just walk down here a bit and we go across there and he's like, right, here we go. This is the Empire State Building and you're like, It can't be, it's like, it's right here, and you look and you're like, fuck,

Dan: fuck. It's,

Sidey: everywhere you turn, there's a fucking landmark, like you just, they're just

Dan: Well, if you were gonna go down Carmine Street, you would see Joe's Pizza, which is the Spideyverse sort of

Sidey: of

Dan: And there's just so many, like, even if they're not huge landmarks, they've been used in film a lot, and so they're, they're

Sidey: Yeah, I would say there's some that are landmarks because they're in films,

Dan: yeah, loads

Sidey: films because they're landmarks.

That's interesting, yeah.

Dan: Well,

I'll, I'll go. Kickers off with the American Natural History Museum, which is on Central Park West 79th and 8th or some something like that. They all got crazy names and you remember the night in the museum Did you ever watch that movie? It was quite a surprise this for me this movie.

I didn't have high hopes but But he delivered. I thought this

Cris: was quite funny

Dan: a, I thought it was quite

Cris: with

Dan: Well, I remember the kids really enjoying it. And obviously when you're when you're a dad and you've sat your kids in front of a TV show, you're hoping that's going to be two hours where you don't have to speak to them.

You don't have to do anything. You'll throw a few, Sweets and crisps at them, but other than that, you know But there's been plenty of times when they bailed out. It's not held their interest or something like that but night in the museum did and and actually it kept my Interest as well. So, there you go american natural history museum

Sidey: It's a fucking excellent natural history museum as well, by the way

Cris: Have you been inside? Yeah. Oh, you have? Okay.

Sidey: Yeah, we actually went to that one. Without Kids that we just went

Dan: Got to really enjoy it.

Sidey: really really good, but i've been to quite a few like after that We've been to lots of my daughter and this one like knocks spots off the rest of it's fucking excellent

Cris: I like the London Natural History Museum.

Dan: Yeah, they're good as well. They're really good.

They're really good as well, yeah.

Sidey: Chris we got

Cris: I have to think I don't know why I have to think about this. But I have to say I'm going to start with an just because I really like his music and it shows quite a lot of Bedford Stuyvesant in the Notorious, in the Biggie biopic and it's, it's not necessarily a landmark in itself.

I think it's 115th and something so they were the corner where he would sell

his

Sidey: Product product.

Yeah

Cris: But it's, it's quite a, I thought it was quite a well made for, especially for a music For a musical biopic movie, let's say, the Biggie was, I thought it was one of the better made

Dan: Confession, I've not seen it.

Cris: Have you not? I don't know if you like his music or not.

I really, I really like

Dan: might be a midweek.

Cris: I really like his music and also the, what I found was really, really good was the fact that Christopher Wallace Jr. Was his son. which is his son played him in the movie.

Sidey: right.

Cris: So it was quite a nice touch. Let's say obviously his son was still very young. I think it was about 10 when, when the movie came out and stuff.

And he just played him as a, as a young up and coming youngster in, on the, on the New York rap scene, I guess. And then obviously it kind of goes. Like we had in the midweek or with from him being very young and being a bit nerdy and that to 10 years later or six years later or whatever, where he's a teenager, he's go guns and all that.

So, so not necessarily a certain landmark as a, as a point, but an area or a neighborhood of

Dan: landmark to some it's a landmark to some

Cris: yeah,

Sidey: Well, there are you know, it's a it's a city of a very recognizable

Cityscape, you know, the the horizon, but there are certain ones even then that stand out and if you want to show immediately where your film or TV show is set, there's just a couple you can go straight for Statue of Liberty. Boom. We know exactly where we are and that's cropped up in many many films and TV shows but just to name a few it's used in the X Men to kind of amplify and broadcast a signal to create.

To turn everyone into mutants And it appears in day after tomorrow. It's frozen It's in cloverfield where the monster knocks the head off it and it lands in the street and also in Ghostbusters 2 they spray it with the ooze and then use a Nintendo a Nintendo controller to move it around the city and be a symbol of hope to the city and get everyone vibing.

Dan: city and be a symbol of hope to the and get everyone moving. League big anger management die hard with a vengeance. I think plays there. Even Mariah Carey is, has done a music

Sidey: video, doesn't get any bigger than that,

Dan: get any bigger than Mariah. And so the, the Yankee stadium would be a, another big shout of mine.

I'm not sure it was the Yankee stadium that, um,

Larry David went to, and there was a

Sidey: Oh, where the people got off. The murderer got off.

Yeah,

Dan: a guy was accused of murder and then

Sidey: was his alibi. He was an extra in

Dan: Through through a bit of the b roll. Yeah, it was crazy so Larry It really

Cris: there's some Mexican. Sorry about Mexican people. I think it was a Mexican guy.

Dan: Yeah, Puerto Rican,

Cris: Yes. Sorry.

Dan: something.

I'm not, I'm not a hundred percent sure, but he had been accused of this murder. And he was like, no, no, it wasn't me, but they weren't having any of it for him in prison. And his lawyer and he said, well, what's happening? Let's find out. Where was you? He said, I was at, I think what was Yankee stadium. And he was saying it might've been an LA one, but either way, it's a, it's an exceptional story and that on the B roll they'd found.

Him out this whole stadium. I mean it was so lucky good. Look there. I am there It was just a real long shot and this guy then was acquitted on the strength of Larry David's

Shooting there, which was which was nuts. Yeah

Sidey: Another famous one would be the Empire State Building. It was, I'm sure, at one point the tallest building in the world. It's not anymore. Most famously, I guess, would have to be King Kong.

It climbs up there, doesn't it? And gets shot at a lot. Someone sent us a picture, he's like, the shot you don't always, the shot they didn't show you in the film, and it's the

Dan: Yeah, yeah,

Sidey: inside the Empire State Building, and you can just see King Kong's massive cock and balls through

Dan: just through, through the big windows that are there as he's halfway up, his head is on there. Yeah, it's a classic.

Sidey: Sleepless in Seattle, they go up there to meet, don't they, at the end,

Dan: And, and, and also in Sleepless in Seattle, because it's a New York film, you've got different areas where That film kind of takes place as well. And there was a famous cafe where Where harry met sally in cat's delicatessen? And and all around this that's where that orgasm scene and

Sidey: That's where it

Cris: Okay. Well, I'm going to be on a happier note here with Rikers Island,

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: Oh, yeah

Cris: which is featured heavily in a documentary which is called time, the Khalif Browder story. I don't know if you've ever watched this. It's I think it's a six part.

Yeah. Six part series on Netflix.

is one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life in terms of how sad you get after watching this. Yeah, it's unbelievably sad is this

Sidey: What was it called?

Cris: Time, the Caliph Browder story. And he, he basically his, his mother's poor, he blah, blah, blah. But he pleads guilty to do a plea bargain.

This kid who has done nothing, which is a story of so many, young black men in America, white, and they get a plea bargain because the only way to fight the system in America is to have money. If you can't pay for a lawyer, you get a lawyer from the state and they have way too many cases to actually look out for you.

He and this kid survives in Riker Island. And he gets brutally beat up in the adolescent unit. However, his mental state starts to deteriorate. There's an army of lawyers. I can't remember exactly how he manages to, in the end, he, he managed to get out. There's Loads and, and it is just such a sad story because he gets out, it becomes such a big case in in New York.

He gets to meet Jay-Z There's pictures of him and celebrities and people looking out, out for him and all that. And then he goes back to his house in New York and then there's people asking him for money because they think he has money now, just because Jay-Z gave him a pair of trainers and, and a couple of T-shirts and that, and he still lives in his mom's.

Attic and whatever and then at the end you find out that after he becomes famous and they take him to a next game and he's starting to Look like he's getting his life back together as a teenager. He commits suicide. It's honestly it's it's fucking brutal, but obviously Riker's islands feeds features quite predominantly and the new york city court where they have

Dan: a lot of

Cris: features quite, quite heavily.

So it's a sad story, but it's a story that I think,

Dan: A documentary, is

Cris: yeah, yeah. It's a story that more people should watch because it's, it's, it's one of those insights into the American justice system where they actually tell you that if you, if you don't have money.

Dan: You're fucked. It's something they should show kids at

Cris: He was in the New York Public Library And all he

Dan: In Ghostbusters.

get, he was in the New York Public Library, and all he did was just try and slime a few people. He didn't do nothing, but he got sucked into a, into one of those sort of hoovers that the

Sidey: there was a bad, bad ghost in the, in the library flicking out all the cars

and

Dan: was, yeah, yeah. I mean, Slimer was just a Slimer, though. I mean, all he did was, and that, That ooze that they put on that they were so interested. Oh, you've got spengler wasn't it? He was just like scooping it up into little jars the ectoplasm.

That was it So, I mean that was brilliant and what a library new york like public library. It's just Completely fantastic. I'm surprised we haven't had anything from home alone yet

Sidey: Well,

Cris: I've, yeah, I've had that, but

Sidey: got a couple from Home Alone 2 Lost in New York,

Dan: Oh, right. Where we get where, where,

Sidey: where there's

Dan: where we lost Yes.

Sidey: in that. He sets a load of booby traps up in there, doesn't he? Yeah,

Cris: And he sees Donald Trump.

Sidey: At the Rockefeller Center.

Cris: Oh, is it? Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Yes. Yeah. And it's the New York Plaza in

Dan: Yeah. In that

Cris: in that as well,

Sidey: no?

Cris: Yes.

Dan: stays at the

plaza into

Sidey: stays at the Plaza.

We saw the Trump

Dan: We saw the trump towers of course when we were there,

Sidey: there, we went there. Yeah, that's Fifth Avenue. Yeah. Trump Towers. It's right next to Tiffany's which breakfast at Tiffany's.

Cris: Yes.

Sidey: not necessarily a huge landmark. Certainly not in terms of the skyline but certainly made famous by Audrey Hepburn and George Peppard was

Dan: famous by Audrey Hepburn

Sidey: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jacques Cousteau or something,

Dan: Yeah, it was

Cris: Jakku Stow. What?

Dan: Something like that chris,

Sidey: He was French though, wasn't

Dan: let's not get bogged down on the details He was he was either at the bottom of an ocean.

Sidey: was up or he was down. It was one of the

Dan: was in

Cris: or either in the clouds or at the

Sidey: Oh, sorry, Jules Verne, wasn't it that's

Cris: Dumas, yeah, whatever.

Dan: But

that was obviously the the twin towers and they're not there anymore

Sidey: No, there is the I can't remember what it's called.

Dan: called?

Sidey: One World Trade Center, the Freedom Tower.

It's there now I think, yeah. What about, I've got a specific part of Grand Central Station.

Cris: Oh right, okay. So

Sidey: Grand Central

Terminal in itself is very cool. It's been in Avengers, it's been North by Northwest. But

Dan: by

Sidey: There's, Have you seen

the weird thing about the acoustics of it? So it's, it's kind of got domes

within it, and you can stand Say like I'm pointing over there like miles over there at one of the domes and if you face the wall and you speak to it, the sound travels and it gets picked up in different domes and

Dan: Oh, no way so you can

communicate

Sidey: that they do that so that you can do kind of like um incognito communication that way and they do it in the adjustment bureau which is

Dan: Right.

Yeah.

Sidey: Emily Blunt movie thing and Is it Matt Damon?

I

Dan: might go into the Yankee Stadium

Sidey: and it's on Travel Man as well. Right.

Dan: Right. Can see Oh, that's interesting.

Sidey: It is quite interesting. It's a quirk of the architectural design.

Dan: Wall Street's had Dark Night, independence Day, and the Wolf of Wall Street, obviously along

Sidey: wall Street as well, I

Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sidey: Gordon Gecko. Do

Cris: you know why the street is called Wall Street?

Sidey: Because

Dan: got a wall?

Sidey: No, go on.

Cris: Yes.

Dan: There you go.

Cris: Because in the day was when, as our more educated listeners, especially our American listeners will definitely know New York was initially called New Amsterdam because the Dutch first colonized the, the, the, that swamp where New York

Sidey: didn't they trade it for a blanket or something?

Cris: No, they got they were

Dan: fair trade.

Cris: No, they went on the siege and they got all killed by the people of the good people of Britain. However, Wall Street is where the wall was when it changed its name from New Amsterdam to New York. So that's why it's called wall street, because initially when the Brits conquered and colonized that piece of land, it was an actual wall.

Sidey: Oh, okay

Cris: So, you know, I, I'm sure all, all of our listeners knew that, but that's just a piece of

Dan: yeah Okay, so are we are we narrowing

Cris: I am, I am not gonna include that necessarily, there's, there's obviously loads of films that, that have Wall Street, obviously Wall Street, Gordon Gekko, and Charlie Sheen's character, I, he's got a weird name actually, Fox or something?

What's his face? B B B B B Bud Fox? In Wall Street.

think that's his name, Bud Fox is Charlie Sheen. I've also got Chrysler

Sidey: I, I,

Cris: I, I, do

you know what? I've always call me stupid and I'll put my hand up, but I've always really confused Chrysler building with empire cell building

Sidey: No, if, when you go up, Empire State I'd say is fairly kind of generic, like it's got kind of Art Deco vibe to it, but when you, when you go to the top of that and you look, I don't know whether it's East or West or whatever it is, you get, you can see it's shorter than Empire State, but you, you can look right, because it's the top bit that's got the real great Art Deco design, and you can see that really, really, not close up, but very, very clearly from

Cris: It's, it's heavily featured in movies,

Sidey: Spider Man,

Cris: Spider Man, Armageddon, Godzilla famously climbs on it as well.

Dan: Lawrence of Arabia. If you

Cris: at the balls on Godzilla. I don't know if this has any penis or

Sidey: Two

Cris: Two weeks notice.

it's

a movie that features

Dan: Sandra Bullock.

Is that

Cris: Apparently, yeah, yeah, I

Dan: I think I've, I've seen that. We've got Elf at the Rockefeller Center. That's 45 Rockefeller Plaza. And,

Sidey: That's where they put the Christmas tree every year,

Dan: yeah, yeah.

Sidey: do the ice skating, yeah.

Dan: Coming to America, you've got the, the Waldorf Astoria, which is 301 Park Avenue.

Sidey: Nice.

Dan: Some addresses there for the people that.

Sidey: that I'm, I'm ready to put

Dan: Yeah, go on.

Let's hear it.

Sidey: I'm gonna go for the Flatiron Building.

Dan: Oh, okay.

Sidey: Remember that one?

Dan: No.

Sidey: Because New York's, generally speaking, it's all blocks.

So every building is pretty much square. The flat iron one is one that makes up where two roads go. And it's like a triangular building.

Cris: that the one in John Wick?

Dan: Oh, yes, I do know. Yeah,

Sidey: be, I was thinking it's where the Daily Bugle is housed in Spider

Dan: do know that one. Yeah,

Sidey: I think at the moment it's famously vacant. I don't think anyone is in there at all.

Dan: is. We went to see, when we went past, I was looking at it and it's, as you say, it's kind of

Sidey: I think it might be the hotel in

Cris: it might be the hotel in, It stands out straight away because it's

Sidey: out straight away because it's not square like pretty much every every building is. Yeah.

Cris: I'm pretty sure that was in American Gangster featured quite heavily, if I'm not mistaken.

Sidey: but yeah, it's called looking building

Cris: that that particular

building.

Sidey: what are you putting in?

Dan: I think that I will go for the Ghostbusters New York Public Library. I just love that building. I think it's a really good scene.

Slimus going through there. As you said, there's another ghost there that gives it the big shhhhhh. And she's quite angry. And I was, went there as well and it is really cool. So,

that's for me.

Cris: Chris? Bedford Stuyvesant, Biggie. nice. As a whole, I don't have a certain landmark there, but I just like that movie and I like

this

Dan: the music.

Sidey: two, yeah.

Cris: I'm pretty sure we'll have quite a good response on this considering and quite niche as well. I didn't look at really kind of small

Sidey: I had loads more but I left them out

Dan: see what the leafinator comes up with. He normally

Sidey: up

Cris: Riggs riggs might might say something pete hopefully bevis i've seen beaver today. So

Sidey: get him on it.

Dan: the great unwashed out there.

Let's

Sidey: washed

Dan: and the washed everyone.

Sidey: Nice.

Twenty fifth hour.

Dan: hour. Yeah.

Sidey: A Spike Lee joint. Yeah.

Dan: I was new to this, although I'd seen it many times come up. I, I was pleased to have an excuse to watch it this time around because I'd not,

Sidey: I had seen it a long time ago, and I could just like, broadly tell you what the plot was about, but I'd forgotten quite a lot of it.

Cris: Yeah, I kind of, I kind of, when, when I nominated, I kind of remembered the premise of it. Like, you know, I knew he was gonna go to jail and I knew she's gonna look really good in it.

Sidey: Yeah. Rosario Dawson is in this and she does look really good in it. Anna Packing is in it as well. And we got treated to Philip Seymour Hoffman and is it Barry Pepper?

Cris: I think. Yeah. Barry Pepper. Yeah. Yeah. The

Sidey: and then Ed Norton

Dan: And Brian

Sidey: and yeah, professor Brian Cox of D Ream here, he's in this as well. It's, we're introduced first to. And this is another non linear Storytelling,

Dan: not not crazy though, but it does

Sidey: just a few little flashbacks and flash forwards and

Cris: the beginning.

Sidey: Well, actually does have a flash forward.

Cris: forwards. Especially at

Sidey: Yeah. So we're introduced to him.

First of all there's a car, I think it's a Dodge Challenger or something. Anyway, bombing it along and it's a decent car. Some money flying around. And they find a dog.

Cris: Yeah. A beaten up. I dunno. Bloody,

Sidey: I dunno whether it was a, like a fighting dog.

It

Dan: It looks like a fighting dog. It's not a pit bull, but it's, it's one of those real kind of

Cris: like a pointer or something. Yeah. Anyway.

Sidey: it's been horribly mistreated. And it's fighting back as he's trying to I think they throw a blanket over it

Cris: he wants to shoot it first.

Dan: Well, he's with another guy, Ed Norton. He's with another guy who's not keen that he'd be stopping at all, let alone picking up this gun this dog because they've got places to go, people to see.

But Ed Norton and we realized then that Monty

Cris: something

Dan: We, we realized that actually this guy's got a heart that he's you know, he wants to do well by this, this animal that somebody else has treated really inhumanely and, and it looks like it's on his last legs. And he wants to put it in the car and then when it kind of snarls at him and bites, he thinks, ah, this little fucker's got some fight in him as well.

So it gains his respect. And, and of course, throughout the rest of the film, we see Doyle, which is the dog and. And Monty together pretty much all the time.

Sidey: Yeah. Now we go back to present day. He's sat with the dog and the dog's healthy and he's walking it. And of course, I'm trying to watch this and my dog is going fucking ballistic because there's a dog on the telly. But we learned that Monty is about to serve a seven year prison sentence because he is a drug

Cris: a drug dealer. I think

Sidey: Yeah, he's doing what he's trying to do anymore. And but yeah, he's, he's going inside. So I like when I first saw this and have any idea

how this sort of thing works. I thought you'd just be

Dan: you'd be in. Why aren't you in?

Sidey: you'd go and you'd be sentenced and you'd be fucked off straight to prison.

But he has a day. This, this 25th hour refers to his last day or his last hour that he's got. And he's spending it partying and

Dan: Yeah,

Sidey: cheerio to his folks.

Dan: it is. It's kind of a kind of meditation on his his time, his last few hours, the people he spends it with, what he might have been doing if things had been differently, run differently. But he's he's out the drug game and it is weird to me as well why he didn't go straight to jail. But for whatever reason, the American system, let's go with it.

Let's hope the Americans listening can give us some, a little more insight. But basically he didn't have to go direct to jail Do not collect 200 he he had this 25 hours and with that he's gonna have a party with some friends of his that aren't really friends

Sidey: Well, there's there's jacob which who's played by philip siebel hoffman. He's he's this kind of shy introverted Teacher. Yeah, he's a Literary scholar, isn't

Dan: Not too far away from the character he played in For The Dude. I mean, he's just kind of

Sidey: we were almost getting a bit more towards happiness.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, it's weird.

Sidey: He's

Dan: character. Uncomfortable

Sidey: happens in this. And then his other pal Frank, who's the complete opposite. He's, he's a stockbroker on wall street. He's the fucking dick. We see his boss, I've fucking, his boss was such a scum and he's, he's been given Frank's been had his stockbroking limit put up to a hundred million and he's Basically straight away gone rogue and gone fucking all in on something.

And his boss has given him dressing down saying,

and he is waving his hand in his

Dan: front of everyone, in the middle of an open office,

Sidey: And he is, and Frank like, okay, yeah, I get it. I, I'll, I'll, I'll swap that out. And it's, he, he basically doing

Dan: The unemployment

Sidey: what, what thing he did at Barings Bank.

Dan: Nick

Sidey: Nick, these are just like completely gambling, like way everyone's all in on one thing. Like you're putting all your wages on you know, trap six at the dogs and they're all waiting on this particular stats come out about unemployment. And they've all hedged on something or other. And his boss is shouting down, like, have you done it?

It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And as soon as the, he's basically, he's guessed,

right. And so he's just like, yeah, If I call you,

Cris: yeah. Yeah. also

Sidey: he's like

Cris: a non linear way, but we also know, get, get the reason why he is gonna go to, to prison, is because our pal, the police officer,

Sidey: She.

Cris: I dunno his name, but he is,

Dan: His last

Cris: must be one of his.

Sidey: it's Isaiah Whitlock Junior and he fucking does it. So when you see him, if you've watched the wire, you recognize it straight away and you cannot help but say that catchphrase and he's, he turns up at the apartment. And he serves up with the warrant and says, I need to check with you, and so they go through the whole rigmarole.

Dan: This is actually a flashback scene because he sat

Cris: what I mean. I'm trying to kind of

Dan: Yeah, well

Cris: we know why

Dan: So he sat with his girlfriend who's asking him. So look, we've only got 24 hours together Do you want to spend a bath?

And he's like, nah, no, you go and sort it out. I've got other shit to do And it flashes back then to the last time or another time he's taken a shower when he was more a bath with her. He's more happy. The police knocked at the door and they raided the place and found the drugs in the couch.

Sidey: But they, yeah, so

Cris: Yeah, it's like They'll daily

Sidey: Yeah, and it's like, how did you know that?

That's very

Cris: and it's like, ooh, and

Sidey: They barely look at anything and then he's like, he sits down. He's like, Oh, you know, this couch is not very comfortable and goes straight for the cushion, opens it up. And as soon as Ed Norton sees Monty sees it, it's like, just fucking get it over with. And then, and then as I will, he does the fucking sheet.

Like, yes, it's amazing. So they've got him banged to rights. And then that's how

Dan: And this is how we

Sidey: to this. But he also is thinking. How the fuck did they

Dan: I mean, I told two

Sidey: that it was there and the first person, well, he, the, one of the people that knows was his missus, Naturelle

Cris: what a name by the

Sidey: Yeah. And then the other people would be like the crew.

Cris: Yeah,

Dan: Yeah. And one particular,

Sidey: And he's thinking, well, they wouldn't wrap me up because it's their business. Yeah. So why would they go? I haven't done anything to them. I'm good source of being, you know, I'm just doing my

Dan: So this is yeah, it stinks a little bit for him suspecting his missus that she might have done it. He's still living. He doesn't, it's not natural for him because she's treated him well and, and he doesn't feel that that was the, the cause of the leak. He's, he's, more doubt is put into his mind by this big kind of Russian pink shirt.

It cost,

Sidey: Because that's the line, he says, Ukrainians, that was the same fucking thing.

And you're watching it now with all the comms, you're like, no, I don't think so. Not the same

Dan: Yeah, yeah, there's some nuances in there now. But he's saying, look,

It was her man, you know, it was her you got to find out before you go down inside Don't be don't be having this for on your conscience if it was her, you know, don't

and he's like He's not comfortable, but they've got this party heading at a bar with Nikolai.

Who's the main

Boss and he's insisted. And we know this because he's been asked two or three times Is he going to the party tonight? Is he going to the party? Yeah. Yeah, i'll fucking be there. I'll be there. And and so, He's got stuff to do including going to speak to his father and actually this film isn't full of action It's it's drama.

It's kind of low key. You've got this 24 hours 25 hours of of this guy's

Cris: Last hours before he

Dan: he

Sidey: He does a really long monologue in the mirror about everyone in New York and how everyone's

Cris: Which I think is

Sidey: he just goes, fuck these guys and fuck

Cris: Yeah,

Dan: go, yeah,

Sidey: people up

Cris: the brothers,

Dan: he goes for everyone without any real beef against any of them. But he's just bitching because he's, he's upset and he just wants to blame something

And

Cris: he blamed, he's like, his best mate, and then his missus, and then

Sidey: dad Yeah,

Dan: so it's

Sidey: of

anger.

Dan: And, and to be fair, he, he's. He's blamed himself a few times. He's not one of those people that has so many like blinkers and, and blind spots that they don't think they've done anything wrong. He knows he's fucked up. And, and we do hear him say this over the film a couple of times where he goes, Oh, I'm fucked up.

I'm fucked up this. because he's, he knows what he had and it's been thrown away. So Philip, he Hoffman, Seymour Hoffman's character is really, yeah, he's, he's an interesting guy. So he's a teacher. He's got one student he's obviously smitten with. She's like 16 though. And

Sidey: 17,

No, she, she's 16. He lies in, oh, is it, is she seven 17 is it is a couple months. And Monty says, well just wait a couple months and then she'll be legal and you can fucking do what you want.

And he's like, no, man. That's like. that's grooming, you

Dan: Yeah, yeah. You, you can't do that. I'm a teacher. I'm a man of, in, in position and anything. So they, they try and forget it. And as they kind of congregate together, as this night begins to unfold and, and they're getting together, they go up to

Sidey: well they meet at a bar first, don't they?

Yeah. And it's just the guys there and the bar. The hostess, the

Cris: that's, I, I like that. That

Sidey: comes over with some drinks for them and she's, well, are you coming to my party

Cris: And on Sunday

Sidey: And they just look and he is like. She thinks, oh, they're just being arseholes. I was hoping that one of them would just go and explain.

No, he can't make

Cris: but that's the thing. They, they like, they're all like, oh yeah, really?

Oh, you should come to my birthday party on Sunday. And they were kind of. Like straight face, nothing. And she's like, it's okay, you don't have to come. And they're like, yeah, thanks for the shots or whatever,

Dan: whatever, but

Cris: like, fuck

Dan: two guys there didn't want to go yeah i'll fucking be there and leave ed norton going Yeah, i'll be starting seven years in fucking san quentin or whatever it is.

But yeah, he's they've been up to the apartment of his friend which overlooks the 9 11 site and you've got this kind of sense then of Of this is the period of time that it

Sidey: Yeah, there's there's a few shots of different memorials and and just some quite stark imagery around 9 11 because this came out in what, 20,

Cris: Yes, yeah,

right

Sidey: Right after, yeah.

Cris: And it's also Edward Norton's dad, Brian Cox. He's a firefighter or a former firefighter who has a bar and he's The, when he goes to meet his dad, there's a few chats about, I used to know this guy because obviously the firefighters were one of the many people that that lost their lives on, on the nine 11 attack.

So it kind of has a lot of that kind of

Drizzled around in the in the movie

Sidey: But yeah We're building up towards this night this party that's been laid on for him like a goodbye party And when they go to the nightclub and a packings character the student is there with

Dan: on the outside, can't get in.

Sidey: way too I mean, it's 21s.

I mean, we

Cris: it's also quite one of them that he's, Monty's going to the door, he's the bouncer kind of like, Oh man, seven years, fucking hell, look after yourself, brother. But I was like, nah, don't worry. We got you VIP go through the back, you know, walking through here. It's like, you know, one of them.

Dan: whatever you want,

yeah.

Sidey: she tags along, doesn't she? The student and Edward Norton doesn't give a fart, he's like, yeah, just come in, it's fine.

Just points to the bouncers like, yeah, just come in. And they go down, they've got this table somewhere in the VIP area and this is champagne. What's the thing? He says champagne for my real friends and real pain for my sham friends. That's a good line. And. They're now they kind of like splinter off and you get to learn a little bit more and find out that one of the reasons why, well, I guess one of the, the, the main catalyst for why he ended up being a drug dealer was he, he'd made some poor investments with his mate the stockbroker.

And I think he'd. Maybe tried to talk it basically gone all in on something and it you know It hadn't gone the way he wanted to he said lost a load of money and then he'd been like fuck I need to do something and that's why that's what sort of pushed him down that road And so he's got guilt, hasn't he?

Dan: Yeah.

Yeah.

Sidey: Jake feels a bit guilty that he didn't do enough to talk him out of the investment. And we get one scene where he says, look, don't worry, I'll, I'll, when you come out, I'll be there for you. I'll, you

Cris: We'll open a bar.

Sidey: And he says, yeah, but you, you know, you, You won't be there on the first night.

That's the one. That's what he's really worried about Is the first night and then and what what comes after that? We've all seen shawshank and we've all heard stories about what goes on.

Dan: keep calling him a pretty boy. I mean, he's not that pretty, but maybe he is compared to people that harden criminals

Sidey: meat new fish all that.

Dan: Exactly. So, before he goes into jail, he wants to

to do him a favor. We've had a couple of scenes in the nightclub though that are worth mentioning. One in particular is a brilliant scene from Hoffman where he's, He's sat with the girl and he's already confessed to his friends that he likes this girl or they've you know He's noticed her.

She's not like others. She's not classically cute You can see he's smitten with her and he really really shouldn't be. And

Sidey: she's

got an angle, she's

Dan: She's got an angle she wants better grades and she throws a bit of a tantrum when He won't give her an a but he's he sticks to his guns. He says no. No, you don't get a's or whatever like this was in the school You She brings it up again in the nightclub after he says, look, you, he's uncomfortable that he's even connected with her coming in.

Sidey: That's enough for him to lose his

Dan: it's not for his dude, but his mates are going, look, she's all over you. She's all over you. And he's just one of those kind of weak minded guys that he would look at and go,

Sidey: he, does he kind of nod off when he's basically left on his own as everyone

Cris: Yeah, he was kind

Sidey: off, she's off dancing with Naturale and then Jake and Monty are chatting in the

Cris: Because he asked him for the

Sidey: hear, we don't hear what it is initially they're doing. And so she, so the I don't know.

Mary is her name. Mary goes and catches Jake.

Cris: Jacob

Sidey: Jacob on his own and straddles him and starts to,

Dan: he's asleep. Yeah. He, he's

Sidey: asleep. She gets his hands and starts putting them on her body and he sort of wakes up and he is like, fuck no. And he kind of,

Cris: And she's like, well no, it doesn't matter, no one cares, I've taken two e's and

Sidey: yeah.

Dan: And he's like, oh, this is getting worse and worse. Suddenly I've got to go into a nightclub under age. I teach her. She's she's on drugs. She's drunk with champagne that I've given her through my friends and

Sidey: friends CCTV, all that

Dan: there's CCTV.

Sidey: then about the A, you know, well, you know, it doesn't matter, as long as you give me an A, no one will ever know. And he's like, oh fucking

hell. I

Dan: one will ever help

Sidey: think he says, well, I'm just going to have to fucking, like.

Dan: she walks off. She goes by herself. She walks off and gives it the

Sidey: No, she walks off.

Cris: goes by

Sidey: she walks off and gives it the sultry look back as she sort of slinks up the stairs and he just looks at her and the door closes and it waits and we get like a sort of this sort of pregnant pause and he gets up and you're like, oh, don't do it, man.

Dan: this is

Sidey: do it.

Dan: So he's, he's really pissed. He's fallen asleep already. He's had this kind of episode and interaction. She's given him the glad eye and walked into the bathroom. And he's followed her, locked the door behind him as he's walked in.

Sidey: in. She says, do you need to pee? And He just, no, just

Dan: just stares at her, gives her the long stare and he kisses

Sidey: awkward kiss.

Dan: And. And then you see him kind of almost sober up. He's just kind of looks and he realizes

Sidey: it.

Cris: Yeah.

Sidey: doesn't

Dan: any worse than then

Sidey: Jake's kiss. Oh yeah, it's

Dan: really, really

Sidey: He's drawn and

Dan: and blown up, but it's not like full sex and, and kind of, you know, a really hard

Sidey: No, he just kind of stays

Cris: He kind of disappears. He does, yeah. He doesn't really say a lot more. Ah, fuck off. You're getting this, but then we find out what Monty actually wanted from Jake because Jake actually asked, acts like a proper bell and to natural asking her.

Basically he, he, he insults her slowly into turning into, did you basically tell them where the money is? Because there was only two people that knew where the money is.

That was basically what Monty wanted because he doesn't tell him initially that. He wants anything else. Like I need a favor. The favor is obviously he doesn't want to ask his girlfriend the question.

How did they know where the money is? So he makes his mate, his best mates like, yeah, sure. Anything. And then you can see him having a shot walking past eyes, my fault. Then it's your fault. Then it's my fault. Then it's your fault. And then he's like, what I'm trying to say is what are you trying to say? You know what I'm trying to say?

There's only two people that knew where the money is

Dan: You're one of them and the other guy and he clearly thinks that she

is

Cris: then, and then, but, but she gets so upset. And then obviously we get the scene with Edward Norton, with Monty going in to see Uncle

Sidey: he says let's go and see the boss man and it's clear this party's been arranged by him how you doing all the rest of it and the fact the fat guy comes

Dan: Yeah, Nikolai's a mean looking motherfucker, isn't he? He's like got a real

Sidey: fucking scary looking dudes

Dan: hard face and he's got a crew in behind him and all he's going in there and they know he's about to do seven years and they say, Oh, you know, it's like you do it on your head or whatever.

And they're like,

Sidey: you know, I never fucking.

Dan: You know they were after, I know and you know they were after you. They weren't after me, they're trying to pinch you. I'm taking seven

Sidey: and I did nothing, I just, I gave them

Dan: I gave him nothing. He says, there's a lot of guys that would do a lot to get out of a seven stretch. And he goes, well, I didn't fucking give him anything.

He didn't give me, and then all of a sudden they turn on the

big Ukrainian

Sidey: they

Dan: they know. he's the one that's d and They start

Sidey: They put a gun on the table. They put the gun on the table, and they say, this guy's fucking

Dan: He's taken seven years, now I wanna see you fuck him

Sidey: you can see the look on Monty's face, like, he knows now that, He's basically accused his girlfriend

Dan: Yeah, he's been really off, he's not spoken to her in weeks

Sidey: He's fucking feeling terrible about that. And also feels completely betrayed because this guy's been like sort of a mate. I mean, there's no mates in this world.

Dan: to say Phil's completely betrayed, because this guy's been like, sort of a mate. I mean, there's no mates in this world. But he, he never felt that she had that in him where she was going to rat him out.

And this guy eventually confesses.

Sidey: So he does take the gun

Dan: And he takes the gun, he picks it up, point it at him. But I love this. He goes, I tell you what, Nikolai, you fucking told me to trust this guy. So you clean up your fucking mess. Because I'm doing a seven stretch

Sidey: I'm out. I fucking kept your secrets. I've done it because i'm not going to kill this guy But i'm not going to he says i'm not going to stop you doing what you got to do And so as he's walking out the door, you just see them

Dan: the door, you

Sidey: Set on him and it's a vicious fucking

Dan: vicious fucking beating. I

Sidey: he killed I mean, i'm sure they killed him because they can't he's a rat. They

Dan: can't not kill him. Yeah, the guy's doing seven years, you know, and then they're they're kind of

Cris: and then

Dan: He got he well, he goes back to his friends doesn't he says look you got to do me a favor and basically he's still Shitting himself about this first day in prison and

Sidey: He's too pretty to go

in.

Dan: and he don't want to be too pretty He wants his friends to beat the

Cris: well first, first they have to get the dog first. He sends a natural home, then they have to get the dog because natural's gonna move in with her mom. His dad's allergic to dogs and Jake fucking hates the dog. So he's like, I, the only person I can trust is you.

He gives the dog to Jacob to Jacob.

Dan: Frank. Seymour Hoffman, innit?

Jacob,

Oh, Jacob, sorry, yeah.

Cris: And then he just goes, they walk into the park and then he tells him, I need you to beat me up.

Sidey: He just, he uses the guilt.

Cris: Yeah.

Sidey: Of everything that's,

Dan: they don't want to do it, it's his friend's,

Sidey: he doesn't want to do it because when it actually happens it's fucking

Dan: oh, well, he, he just can't stop.

Then suddenly he's like, it's one of those, a frenzy. He's punching him in the face, his head's hitting back on the concrete. His, his face is in a right two and eight by the time it's done. And he can't even really stand up that well. Everyone,

Cris: in

tears.

Dan: Yeah, everyone's in tears. They go back and he's, he's kind of, yeah, he looks like you wouldn't want to

Cris: because Yeah. She's just like swollen and warm. Both of them. He's like, it's time to go. She's like, no no before you go. And she gets a little

Sidey: Yeah she's sort of patched him up a little bit but his face is swollen and you know his eyes have almost closed both of them he's got cuts and and what have you and when it comes time to go she's like no no before you go and she gets a little ziploc bag and put some ice cubes in it and as soon as he gets out the door he he chokes it as in to say like I maybe I don't deserve her help

Dan: and as soon as it gets out the door, he throws it at her to say, like, I

Sidey: He tells her, don't wait for me, you know.

Dan: deserve her help, or Right then and then she's probably there and then she's probably thinking I will but Reality is she's not and this whole film is about the reality of him going inside his relationships and him coming to terms with this Situation that is is coming on to him and what might have been if he'd have taken a couple of different turns And as he's going to the prison is his dad saying look Right now me and you You know, we could disappear.

Sidey: Just tell me turn right i'll turn

Dan: tell me i'll do it and he's like No, it's like what about your bar? I don't give a fuck about my bar. You're my only son We'll you know, we

Cris: And he goes through this story.

Dan: The only thing you can do is never come back again

Sidey: because the only people that get caught are the ones that try and come home

Dan: And it, yeah, he says you, you could never come back home and he works out and he goes, you know, I'll get 85 days for good behavior and you think, fuck, it's less than three months out of seven years.

So he's going the full sort of, you know, term near enough.

Sidey: And they've worked through a whole scenario, but. It's presented almost as reality

Dan: Yeah.

Cris: where

Sidey: where he's saying my term, right.

Just tell me. And then maybe you go to this town and maybe you just get a job, do a cash jobs. No one knows your name. You create a new identity. You're going to see one of those guys who can do some papers and it goes on and on to the point where

Cris: He's old, he's got

Sidey: natural arrives on the bus. Fuse down the line.

They start a family, then they have grandkids and it goes, and maybe you get to the point where you can tell them the truth. I'm thinking, damn. Don't fucking do that.

Cris: was

Dan: Never do that.

Sidey: and I was trying, I was thinking to myself, is this just a fantasy? Cause I couldn't remember from when I seen it last time, if this, what has happened or it's just him playing out in his head about what this could happen and it, and it

Dan: just him dozing in the car on the way to the prison.

Cris: And then the movie stops.

Sidey: It's sort of ambiguous, but I took it to that. He was just

Cris: gonna go to

Dan: prison. Oh, he's 100 percent going to prison. And so He

Cris: kind of keeps it little bit, yeah, but

Sidey: I thought it was pretty clear.

Dan: So, you know, there's not a lot of action. It's around the dialogue, but it's, it's underpinned for me this film by some really heavyweight performances in, in kind of key areas.

One, Ed Norton, obviously a fantastic actor. The really slimy kind of Jacob, Philip Seymour Hoffman

Sidey: Well, he's never going to let you down as he's always going to put in a

Dan: Absolutely. Just going to make,

Cris: it really

Dan: he's going to make you feel something every time, whether you're repulsed by him, you're, you're, you're laughing with him at him or whatever, he's, he delivers something.

And Brian Cox is, as the father, there was that scene where They're trying to have a meal. He doesn't what he goes. You're going to take your coat off and he goes, No, I'm cold. But you see other people are behind him in like a t shirt and you just think it's one of those where he doesn't want to be there and he can't, you know, wait to leave.

And he doesn't even finish his food in that. And he's kind of I've got to meet some of the guys.

Sidey: And I

Dan: and I just thought it was up. Brian caught just in that scene. He just sort of hunched forward. I just thought I put through the pain of a father who kind of didn't want to Make an argument with his son, but he just thought, oh, fuck it.

I wanted to spend some time with you. You know, it is the last and now you're gone.

Sidey: Yeah. I thought they were all really good. It's, a little bit long. Yeah, I'm going to be like the duration police. It was 2 hours 15 and but having said that I wasn't bored or anything, but it was I did pause it one point.

I thought, God, fucking ages ago. But all the performance is really good. All the stuff about New York worked really well.

Dan: Not one I would rush to watch again after, because it is quite slow and it is, you know, but I enjoyed it, but it wasn't anything that I would say, oh, you gotta go and watch this, or, you know,

Sidey: yeah, it's, well, I'd say you, it's a good watch, you know, and obviously for Spike Lee, who's a New Yorker, you know, it would have been powerful stuff after 9 11 for him to make this with all that, that sort of content.

But yeah, I would say strong recommend.

Cris: strong recommendation. it was good. I

Sidey: you want some, actually, because I forgot

Cris: Oh, any numbers? Sorry. Come

Sidey: have numbers. So what I forgot to say, to cast your mind back to when we did our mid weeker, that was a flop.

tale.

was a flop, yeah. Do you want to know the actual numbers on

Dan: it? I'd love to.

Sidey: that was 22 million budget for Bronx Tale. 17, whereas this

Dan: must have clawed more than that back by now

I mean i've seen it like four times.

Sidey: yeah. This only cost 5 million.

Dan: Wow,

Cris: with all these actors

Sidey: actors in it. Yeah, so I don't know whether they're doing it as a 9 11 thing, you know, chuck some money into New York or whatever.

And what money,

Cris: they were all big at the time. What is it? What was this? 2002?

Sidey: 2002?

yeah.

Cris: They were all pretty big, you know,

Sidey: because I think Ed, Ed Norton I don't know if he worked for free, but, and certainly, every penny that he made from Red Dragon, the Hannibal Lecter story, he put into this to make this film.

So I think they wanted to do it for New York and whatever. So that's why it was as cheap as it was. And it made 24.

So I did okay.

Dan: I'd have to say I didn't

enjoy

Sidey: I'd

Cris: I, I'd have to say I, I did enjoy it. I enjoyed all the characters. I enjoyed the way they're all different, but they all kind of come together. It represents New York. It has a, a good theme and, and a strong message, I guess.

I get it. It's not, there's no cars blowing up. There's no, you know, or it's just a drama and a bit of a sentimental one as well. But I remember watching it the first time and I enjoyed it. And when, when I thought about New York theme and that I thought, well, this is set in New York. It's a movie that I like the, I like all the actors, even the Frank.

I've seen him in different other movies and, and he's, he's still, generally he's a bit of a dick

Sidey: Yeah, he's normally a villain or an arsehole in

Cris: yeah, in the movies. So, so he plays that role quite well, but,

Dan: that face.

Cris: but he kind of, he kind of makes it quite well.

Sidey: He was good,

Cris: when he's a dick, he kind of makes you like, fuck,

Dan: Yeah, yeah, no, he makes you feel, he does, he makes you feel something, Yeah, it was as I say, Enjoyable enough, it wasn't anything that I would Really strongly recommend, but I'm glad I watched it,

Sidey: and it's a strong

Dan: And it's a strong recommend Talking of nothing related to that

Sidey: Gargoyles.

yeah. This episode in particular is called A Bronx Tale.

Cris: Tail. But, tail,

Sidey: A I L. Yes.

Dan: You clever man though Chris, you've just pulled this week's theme in

Sidey: I was not aware of this as a thing. Yeah.

Cris: I've watched it when I was a kid.

Sidey: Okay, I did not.

Dan: think I've seen this once before.

I was aware of his existence, but I'd never really given it

Sidey: Concept is that gargoyles are real and fought for us and then we betrayed them.

Turned them to stone. That's why they exist on buildings.

Dan: You you don't get a lot of this from the opening one that we saw though, do

Sidey: It's in the theme tune. It's in, it's in the theme.

Cris: on where you watch it.

Sidey: I watched it on Disney Plus and it does give you the backstory.

Cris: I watched it on Dailymotion and it does give you the backstory,

Sidey: It is like you get the skip intro buttons. I think it's a brief thing that happens at the start of episode. Right. Okay. That it, so that enables you to be able to watch every episode as a standalone thing. But it is a continuous story.

Dan: I was thinking, I was thinking it might be a continuous story, this,

Cris: well, it's a continuous story in terms of, it's almost one of them that once you get familiar with the characters, they just have different

actions. Every episode they, they're very rarely related. The first, like the episode six of episode seven, fine, but, but there, there's always a, a recurring theme

Dan: character or something.

Cris: the, the characters are the same.

The only thing is in this one Bronx and the other junior gargoyles are the main characters.

Whereas sometimes it's the leader or sometimes it's the old gargoyle or sometimes it's the reporter woman and the policeman and all that stuff.

Dan: stuff. yeah,

I'd, I'd not. I'd not ever remembered seeing this and but I did get feet While I was watching this like season three episode three, it felt like I wasn't coming into a standalone episode but it did enough that I didn't have to

Sidey: Yeah. So the, the crux of it is the goggles are real and they. They, you know, fly around or they

Cris: they jump

around

Sidey: but yes, when the sun comes up, they turn back into statues and so in this one there are two gargoyles that with this particular story focuses on one is called Bronx and they are just People are obviously aware of these gargoyles, and I don't know if these were police or just whatever, but they're

Cris: They were there only

Sidey: Just trying to,

Dan: they're trying to They're trying to apprehend

Sidey: these two gargoyles, and what happens is Bronx ends up in the train carriage and Matey is flying around above trying

to

Cris: a gun trying

Sidey: Yeah,

Dan: Yeah,

Sidey: he can't

Dan: kind of like

Sidey: effectively a dog

Dan: dog crossed by a,

Sidey: but the sun comes up and whilst he's on the train, his mate is trying to get him back, but the sun comes up and so he, the flying one, is turned to stone and falls into the lake and Bronx Just turns to a statue in the train

Dan: in the carriage, yeah. I was watching this with a friend of mine from Switzerland, David.

He nearly joined us for this and gave us a special guest appearance, but he had daddy duties to do.

It was, quite strange to him as well, as far as watching it in a different language. He wasn't aware of

Sidey: I'd say the animation style is quite familiar. It's got that, it looks like it could be the Sherlock one that we watched or He Man or anything like that. It's got that kind of animation style. So I quite, I recognized it. It felt comfortable to me.

I wasn't aware of this as an IP. I didn't know any of the characters. They seem to all have like shakespearean names yeah,

Dan: I wasn't sure until I was kind of a long way through that they were goodies against baddies and and then I found out that because I hadn't seen that intro bit that that they were misunderstood heroes really that's kind of where they're going

Sidey: Yeah, yeah Yeah, they were a bit like turtles they couldn't

Cris: the X Men or something like that. Yeah, it's kind of like

Sidey: They're kind of outcasts, but they still

Cris: still Doing good.

Sidey: Yeah.

Dan: and after turning into stone when night comes then they turn back. So,

Cris: ends up in

Dan: the, yeah, the flying one kind of goes through the ice that is been in the river up until that point. And and then after that we've had, you know, that. Other one as you say turns up in

Cris: Yeah. Yeah, and

Dan: and some kind of hobo Yeah, homeless hobo finds this.

Finds bronx and he's stone and he's scared to shit still isn't he's like Oh, and then he's he rubs his eyes and he goes. Oh, it's just stone He turns away and then night has come the sun has dropped and he turns back and He's out on the

Cris: And I have to say, that's the quickest sunset I've ever seen in my

Sidey: Yeah, it's rapid. It

Cris: just goes down straight away.

Sidey: there's a kind of human guardian team that kind of help them stay undetected or keep him out a mischief. Did you recognize the voice actor of the fella?

Dan: No, but the little boy had the voice of somebody about eight years younger than he actually was.

Cris: was.

Sidey: Jonathan Freaks.

Dan: How do

Sidey: might know him as, William Riker from Star Trek Next Generation

Dan: Oh, right,

Sidey: and the Star Trek

Dan: Yeah. The

Sidey: strong in this TV show because Marina Sirtis, I really fancy her and Jonathan Freaks, they're from Star Trek Next Gen, that's Jenna Troy and William Riker they're regular cast members in this.

We also have Michael Dorn, he was Worf in Next Gen, Kate Mulgrew, she was. Captain Janeway and Voyager. Nichelle Nichols.

Dan: They're all doing this

Sidey: They're all in this,

Dan: Oh, they're just going up for the piss up again Aren't they all meeting up and you know, it's next gen.

This is another thing

Sidey: So we've got next gen Voyager and original series represented in the voice cast.

I have to say, the story was just great. in this particular episode was a bit throwaway. Bronx ends up being befriended by a young Amish boy.

Dan: It's effectively like

Sidey: just effectively like a pet dog kind of story. Until there's some sort of hoods appear with a Thor's hammer. It looked like to try and smash up some

Dan: There's no sort of context

Sidey: was no sort of context to it, it seemed. And they're basically apprehended and plot kind of resolved itself fairly easily at the end. It was a like , fairly flimsy plot, I'd say to

Cris: Yeah. it was fairly long as well.

10. It, it could have been, it could have been in 15 minutes then done easy if, if not 10, four

Dan: David and I were watching and after sort of 10 or 12 minutes I paused it just to look at how long was left and it still seemed like there was

Sidey: well I had to pause for dinner at 10 minutes and I thought oh I'm sure the guys have watched the rest I don't have to watch it but I did I did go back and finish it off but

Cris: Yeah, it's fairly simple. There's nothing really there, but in the end, the older gargoyle comes and saves the day and whatever.

The only reason why, well, to be fair, the only reason why I chose this as a, as a kid's thing, as a recommend was the fact that it's normally set in New York. And we

Dan: York connection.

Cris: did have a New York themed week. And it's also, I wouldn't say it's an adult thing, but, but, but it's more of a thing that is generally because they, I think they're on the top of the Chrysler building or, or next to the Chrysler building, that's where they normally get to sleep in the night.

Sidey: Yeah, that's where they crash.

That's where William Riker is when he's talking to them and all that.

Cris: I thought, right, it's a landmark, so let's just kind of

Sidey: ticked all the boxes in that sense.

Cris: keep it like that.

Dan: just

Cris: It's a

Dan: It just wasn't a

Cris: could have been done a lot

Sidey: It didn't have a banging theme tune like some of the other stuff that we've seen, which is a shame. And it just felt like, let's animate it in that style.

And we'll just interchange, like, you know, we've had thundercats or we've had other things like what's not

Dan: Mask or whatever.

Sidey: Gargoyles, let's have gargoyles.

Dan: Gargo. I'm probably hoping to sell like a million toys of gargoyles

Cris: me, I've definitely watched this on Cartoon Network as a kid. Which, I don't know, it might have been late 90s, mid 90s, something like that.

Dan: Before I was born.

Yeah. I mean,

Cris: again, it could have been shorter and it could have been made better. But

Dan: Strong. Recommend.

Sidey: maybe.

That's it for New York Week.

Dan: Yeah. Okay. New York. I'm walking here. I'm walking here.

Sidey: walking here.

Dan: But bing,

butter, Bing.

Sidey: Pete. May or may not be available for next week. If he is, I do have his nominations, but I wonder if I should just keep Sturm until we know if he's, do you want to know

Dan: Yeah, go on.

Sidey: possibly

Cris: know and then

Sidey: Okay, hang on, just give

Dan: a bit more abuse onto

Cris: Well, he'll need to confirm before You edit this

Sidey: the, Oh, we don't have all of them, actually. Main film, Furiosa, mid week, Conan. The theme is revenge, so top five revenges or something. And kids, something revenge y. So it may or may not be that. We just don't know.

Dan: Stay tuned.

Cris: for the New Furious, how would we have to go to the cinema? Is it still on cinema or is it

streaming

Sidey: Potentially, it might be streaming now. I don't know to be honest, because it was a big, big flop.

Cris: Really? Yeah.

Sidey: Yep.

Cris: Okay. I've seen

Sidey: acclaim and no one went to see it.

Cris: Really?

Sidey: but such is the way with cinema these days, I think.

Dan: it's the way of the world. Yeah. Right.

Cris: all it

Sidey: So we'll find out where we're going to see it. But yeah, all that remains is to say, Sidey, signing out.

Cris: is

Dan: Dan's gone.